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You have from the jump argued an absolute position. It was all Rhule. Fitt wasn’t responsible for any of it. I have never argued in such a manner. Merely that you can’t put all the blame on Rhule and fully excuse Fitt. It’s pretty simple. Nothing misleading about that.

I got Rhule and Fitt both maintaining that position in both good and bad times. Fitt literally in the OP calling your take bologna. Give a name that says Matt Rhule went to his contract and overruled and dictated every player transaction/draft pick and Fitt was wallpaper

Saints. QB, RB, WR edge over us. Offensive league. rookie Young isn’t coming out week 1 as a better QB than Carr. He has leaning and growth to do. and they finished with a the top 5 defense last year And they have a comparable schedule to us.

my narrative is just listening to everyone that was employed here that matters. When they were hired, when they were working together and even after they parted. Literally no one has ever actually said Matt Rhule made every roster call and draft pick. everyone knows Rhule had a clause that said he could trump folks if he wanted to. And the coach, GM, etc, addressed that over and over. Not just when he was fired. But at the very start of the Fitt era. They have all repeatedly said that's not what it was in Carolina. and as Fitt just said it in the OP, what you are doing is unfair to Rhule. It's not all on him. You just want it to be.

No. Rhule didn't just say it. Everyone involved has said it. When they came on board and when they left. It's been consistent. Fitt just once again, confirmed again. you have your own narrative. That is largely from the media repeating the same story over and over because someone happened to hear about a line in a contact. And that was always addressed in real time too when Fitt was hired. But you pick and choose who is lying and why they are lying. Fitt is a liar too. But a noble one lol. we paired a newb GM w/ an unqualified college coach and it went predictably. Fitt at least owns it. You should accept he had a role in it and move on.

but good on Fitt for putting things in prospective for folks. Some of the fanbase were putting the bar on what to expect from a rookie QB on absurd levels. The finish is what is going to matter. It should be a normal and bumpy start.

Matt Rhule said he they all had a part in it and he wasn't running things like some in the media suggested simply because someone found out a line existed in a contract. That seemed to always annoy Rhule. Rhule and Fitt basically both acknowledge the same reality. When employed together and when not. and Rhule spoke on not wielding that language like a king the day Fitt was hired and when he was asked to leave.

just for clarification, I think the mental gymnastics of deflecting all blame is what is stupid. I never said the position to keep Fitterer itself is stupid. I don't like what keeping him allows the Panthers to do going forward. Which is repeat the same cycle we keep seeing. The blame game. Blame Fitt if the results are up to satisfication.....and everyone else then gets defended. Because that the current cycle repeating. It's all Hurney. Not Rule. It's all Rhule. Not Fitt. Next cycle if unhappy, well Fitt was frankly a bad GM and Frank is great. I dislike the scapegoat cycle the Panthers are clearly entrenched in. Which some fans adopt. That's my take. As a fan, I'd rather that be taken away from Tepper.

Cool. I don't think it is stupid at all to think Hurney should of been fired with Ron. (and I think you just agreed with that a couple seconds ago responding to someone else LMAO). Fitt with Rhule. You can think different. what I think is stupid is some of the mental gymnastics and excuse making. To each their own. That's what I'm tired of. Whether that's from the Panthers or fans.

I mean, what the Panthers have been doing has been dumb. Proven dumb. Hence, the losing. Hence, being a comedy tour. Fitt is only good at his job via the perspective that he didn't actually do anything and was wallpaper in Matt Rhule's office his entire time. Which again, gets into the nonsensical mental gymnastics I have grown tired of hearing. Rhule becomes the scapegoat for all. And Rhule is a dirty liar if he dares says others were part of the flaming bag of dog poo lol. Like I said, praise away. Not everyone has to do the super fan schtick at the start of every season. Something you have to accept. Especially, when an org has been one of the worst in the NFL for some time now.

Look every time this year you do your thing. I get it. You go to the mats for anyone that says anything about someone currently employed on the Panthers. We do this dance every offseason. the Panthers strategy has yielded a team that hasn't had a winning season in a half decade. Barely won in the last decade. So you constantly throwing that they clearly think different in my face, doesn't slap. Nor does pretending like people can't be questioned. The NFL is slammed full of idiots doing stupid stuff just like every other walk of life. There are people literally running #1 super power on planet Earth right now that can't tie their freaking shoes. In both parties. Literally can't. and yeah, when you create one of the biggest jokes in the modern day NFL (which was the Rhule era)....you likely should burn it all. I think that is the best play overall. You don't keep part of that circus bleeding into the next era. And I also believe when long eras have run their course and you claim to start fresh and new......you should actually do that. Not keep a Marty Hurney around. Exceptions to everything. But overall, that's my stance when organizations find themselves where we have been.

Well in the real world of the Carolina Panthers…they haven’t won in a half decade. Have a grand total of 2 winning seasons in the last 10 years. and in the real world, Tepper is in this “game”to build his wealth and influence. Anything else is just fun icing on the cake. and yeah, when you got a flaming bag of dog poo era like the Matt Rhule era was….I most certainly advocate throwing it all out the window. I’ve acknowledged there are exceptions to everything. Eagles? The worst coaching era their GM has been part of?? That coach had a better win % in Philly than any coach in our history has pulled here. And opened up with back to back winning seasons. Which makes the majority winning seasons. Hell, he was part of a freaking unicorn. He actually was part of a college football coach actually seeing success in the NFL. There was no clown show to throw the baby out with.

I’m not talking about being in sync, working well together or any of that. literally nothing I am talking about is personality driven. We aren’t having the same convo. I’m talking about the predictable nature of deflecting blame via an unpaired coach/GM affords the owner. I simply prefer it not be that way. The problems are generally laid at the feet of the guy leaving and crazy mental gymnastics pulled for those left standing. We see that with Fitt now. Seen with others prior. So you just do a variation of what Tep does. Problem isn’t Rhule, it’s Hurney. Problem isn’t Fitt, it’s Rhule. My preference is to take that off the table. Hire people together to do it and if they can’t move on. That’s my preference. your counter argument is arguing against things I’m not saying. Can two dudes not hired together work well together? Yes. Hurney should have been fired with Fox. Rivera should have been a paired with his own GM. And when Ron and company’s time was done you start clean. You can argue exceptions to everything. But as a fan? Yeah, that’s what I want.

lol. I mean, I think what you are attempting to do is simply disagree with me. The reason I don’t like the unpairing of a HC/GM ….is largely because if what it affords the owner to do. So when results aren’t up to par….the owner gets to play the back and forth game. It’s the GM, no it’s the coach, it’s GM, now it’s coach. And every time it’s somebody else’s fault, it’s never those left behind. and that stance frankly has literally nothing to with Fitt. Or Frank. Or even the Panthers. It’s a universal take. The league does what it does. And Tepper is doing it here. That’s not a made up narrative. It’s literally the flip flop Tepper is doing here with his unpaired front offices lol. The unpairing affords him to scapegoat. Just like you do. Where you argue it totally wasn’t Fitt it was all Matt Rhule. And before that it wasn’t Matt Rhule, it totally was Marty Hurney. Rhule just needs a good GM. NFL is a scapegoat survival business when things get tough. They all do it. My complaint here is the owner having that ability with the unpaired front office. Coaches have their own variation. Matt Rhule gets too much heat then it’s really just Joe Brady’s fault. Actual issue was Rhule. Frank getting real heat over his Indy O? Fired his OC. Frank was the primary problem though.

Maybe you could explain what how Frank operates has to do with not liking the scapegoating done in the NFL when things get bad? Or the standard praise and of how well everyone matchups/works together when someone new is brought in?

I think what works against Wilks the most is what he represents. He is an old school defensive HC. If every job was vacant today and everything even, most teams aren’t eyeing that. It naturally limits opportunity. If I owned a team I would prefer offense. And if I wanted old school. I’d go the Frank route. Because he at least is offensive. But my preference would be young and offensive. Now if Belichick or Tomlin happened to be interested? I’d be willing to put aside my preference. But they got crazy resumes.

I mean if you actually knew the inner workings of Bama over the last 20 years? It would have more drama than Game of Thrones. Sports on all levels is crazy. Especially pre NIL. But even the NIL era is going to be wild. To be a fly on the wall basically of any major sport org.

That’s always how it starts. Rhule and Fitt were a terrific match. They loved each other. Same with Rhule and Marty. Marty and Ron round 2. Same with Asshole Gettlemen and Ron. everyone is a perfect fit in the honeymoon start but as soon as the results don’t come. Fitt is the first to be ran over. nature of the beast. See it in front offices and even coaching staffs. NFL teams love a fall guy. Even if no one buys it lol. It’s totally my QB. I mean it’s the OC. Wait it was the GM. The rest of us know what we are doing.

True. But the opposite side of that coin sits out there too. Fields hitting and Bryce not. That’s a catastrophe. Then we are the #1 clown show. Because Fields fell to us and we passed, then we gave them DJ Moore, and 2 first rounders.

Yeah, that’s largely why I like my HC and GM to be paired up. It’s prevents the scapegoating and deflecting game. Fire Ron. But Keep Hurney. Fire Hurney. Keep Rhule Fire Rhule. But keep Fitt As soon as things get disappointing here….well it’s clearly just a GM/talent issue. Fire Fitt. Keep Frank.

Sports has always been a dirty business. All of them.

Maybe. Richardson got Marty to do a lot. Especially before and after the lockout talk window. Ron and Fox got Marty to do a lot too. But the masses don’t come running to defend Marty on all that stuff. at some point, Fitt can’t be shielded from everything

Well, if he was a Matt Rhule dude….he drafted him and immediately gave him the red headed step child treatment and gave him essentially no work/reps in camp.

That’s why it’s a GM question. We spent a 3rd and 4th on Corral. Way more than NE spent on what clearly looked like a better QB. to date, Fitts management of resources seems….questionable. At the least.

I mean the odds are certainly not in his favor. Not saying that.