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Jags lead the NFL with 36 drops (many have been huge ones). That supporting cast has been really bad (and hurt) on the year. Trevor is just Trevor. A lab built QB that plays aggressive/dumb. He will have 5 seasons under his belt by years in with 3 different HCs.....and just 2 losing seasons. Trevor is a disappointment in terms of being a #1 overall pick. But he is middle of the road NFL starting QB.

I mean, I could explain it again. I didn't post a select group in reality, I compared all 12 starts from this season, to all 12 starts from last season. That is the legit head to head comparison. and when you do that, there is no improvement in his individual production. It's worse in yards, scores, and turnovers. So he did not improve if the argument is stats/individual production. when you look a the collective number on the year and then look at per game stats shown.....the fact he stepped on a field when benched for 3 plays at the end of a game and had -4 yards yards skews the per game stats. So you isolate the starts.

All the Bryce stans have always said we should forget 2023 existed as it's unfair to look at it. Now you want it just for the sake of showing the jump from practice squad worthy to backup worthy? ok. noted. the reason you compare the starts (12 vs 12) and omit the 2 token garbage time appearances in 2024, those skew the per game averages. For example, from a per game scenario, it would be logging him as playing a NFL game with -4 pass yards in a game and treating that as a game. which is why you look at starts (12 vs 12 games) 2024 - 195 pass yards per game, 20 rush yards per game, 21 TDs, 11 turnovers 2025 - 194 pass yards per game, 10 rush yards per game, 19 TDs, 13 turnovers which clearly isn't "pretty much improved" in basically any of the primary categories of production. It's worse in all the big ones. Yards, scores, and turnovers. if you want to make a Bryce is better in 2025 argument than last year. Cool. It's not in his individual production stats that matter though.

Bryce as a starter (12 games vs 12 games). Sets up perfectly given the week we fall on. 2024 - 195 pass yards per game, 20 rush yards per game, 21 TDs, 11 turnovers 2025 - 194 pass yards per game, 10 rush yards per game, 19 TDs, 13 turnovers

Oh, so not individual performance/production. So you can have less production, more turnovers.....but if the team wins, you are better. so Xavier Legette is better this year? or is this a Bryce exclusive that winning trumps individual performance/production? and I'm more of an eyeball guy. And Bryce is pretty much the same dude as last year off that. The defense and rush attack has looked different. And when you get clear improvement from units and other things stay the same. More wins is normally the outcome.

Dan Morgan and his team are part of the brain trust that brought us Bryce Young. Same dream team that could only find Jack Plummer as a young body to be in house this summer.

as a starter (12 games vs 12 games). Sets up perfectly given the week we fall on. 2024 - 195 pass yards per game, 20 rush yards per game, 21 TDs, 11 turnovers 2025 - 194 pass yards per game, 10 rush yards per game, 19 TDs, 13 turnovers that sure looks like less offense and more turnovers this year vs last year as the starting QB. I mean, you don't have to call it worse. Not sure how you get better out of it.

did you read the part of the post where it talked about the Panthers being clearly better in some areas? I'm talking about so clearly better there is virtually no disagreement on this board that thrives off of disagreement. Yeah, that's how you win more games than last year.

what game do people feel is Bryce's actual worst on the season. Not fantasy stat wise. Just actual QB performance?

this has always been my go to. Take someone's very best game out and very worst. Both ends of the spectrum distort the most. Judge them after that, because that is who they are. And if you do that with Bryce? Well, that's not a starting caliber QB. Not any of the 3 seasons.

Josh Allen had legitimate improvement. Bryce Young is more the same than he is improved. The legitimate improvement that people can't deny is the OL play each season, the rush attack and the D vs last year. The throws and coverage Bryce struggles with are pretty much the same. I think he is seeing a comp % bump that is product of Canales largely acknowledging Bryce can't do a lot (the whole argument made by many that he calls games how he has to because of Bryce). Bad throw % remains super high, he still fumbles a lot, he basically needs man coverage do to anything, isn't threatening downfield, the book is sort of out on how to stop him and make him irrelevant. I just mean because Atlanta refuses to do it to him and a couple 4th and shorts don't allow the setup....that doesn't change the overall book. And he will never really be able to improve on his physical tool limitations.

yeah, mobile posting has been a bit spotty w/ the ads

What I am not trying to do, is search within games every week to explain why the worst QB in the NFL since he entered it.....isn't just a weak and bad QB. This thread/convo isn't about an award. If it is, that's not a convo I am having. I do not believe BY is improving. Whatever degree is just too insignificant to matter. The Panthers are improving. And where they are improving this year, is really clear. I think about the Atlanta game the exact same thing I said about the Atlanta game last year. If you give anyone unlimited opportunity. Talking bad players. They will have a random outlier here or there. And you won't find my posts saying anything bad about his play in the 2 @ Atlanta games. I have acknowledged those 2 singular games were the 2 actual good games by Bryce many times.....lol, sorry that is real.

well, there is a talk about what they should do....and a talk about what we think they will do. Both different. When is the last time the Panthers were presented with paying a RB vs managing the RB spot for cheap and made the cheap smart play. RBs and D have been the primary driver in all but 1 win this season. I think the setup is for the Panthers to be super dumb. Pay Rico. Extend Bryce. Then next year, you don't get the luck and outlier performances we are seeing this season. Predictable Panthers will be predictable.

well, the Panther way.....would be to invest big money into not one but two running backs. Despite, Rico sort of being living walking proof.....you don't need to because you can find RBs. or just watch any RB go down and see dudes produce behind them without a huge drop off outside of maybe 2 or 3 guys.

I mean, the Rams only punted once. A team that doesn't turn the ball over turning it over vs a D without so many of our starters was wild. Moving the ball was pretty effortless for them. Think even with a good QB, they shred our D at much easier pace than vice versa. Especially w/ no Horn out there. Puca and Adams is just nasty business that we don't match. And they were 7 yards per carry on the ground. Like I said, the win is great. Any given Sunday. But if this front office starts thinking we aren't overachieving and getting some luck going our way this year.....I expect more really bad decision making.

Dan Morgan can't have real talent on the roster in camp. It will create instant issues. That's why you saw only Dalton and Jack Plummer this year. I mean, even a really bad PJ Walker would be pulling off throws for all to see Bryce Young can't make. real talent, means immediate convos when a season starts about the other guy.

heck both the non-pick 6 turnovers were redzone turnovers. I mean, we stole a win and that's great. That's why sports is fun. But if we played again this weekend, it's a double digit spread again and they would likely beat the breaks off us badly. Think you have to keep perspective. Any given Sunday is a thing, but those 2 teams are miles apart. I think seasons and games like we are witnessing....is where you see orgs make really dumb decisions. I would expect the Panthers to be as dumb as dumb orgs can get of their history.

Notre Dame might be a sneaky #1 despite us being the professional version of the Gamecocks .You gonna get under the radar folks like JJ Jansen. I think the mystery is the 4th school. Bama seems obvious for the 3rd. I'll go Auburn

clearly, not. Because Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes also have a long career history and that big picture influences the small picture greatly. What does Bryce's big picture tell you about being hidden in games. Would that be normal strategy Dave implements in large parts of games? Have we seen his current coach implement that strategy? The answer is yes. We are factually talking about the worst starting QB in the NFL since 2023 here. You seem to forget and now you want to utter about HOFers lol folks trying way to hard here.

I can do it again, Bryce Young didn’t complete a single downfield pass more than 10 yards on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down for an entire game. Canales took 2 huge gambles on 4th down that worked out tremendously. And these exact same type gambles have been blasted by the board this entire season as bad playcalls when they didn’t work out. Great and dumb ain’t that far apart. the viewpoint of great QB play is skewed. Or outlook and view of a QB in general. There is a criteria used for 31 other teams and a very unique version that only applies to Bryce. As others have said this week, the Jaguars pass game and Trevor can be deemed as horrible….and Bryce/Carolina somehow “good” lol.

Yeah, I mean if you watched the game he was. Dude had 2 throws over 10 yards downfield and he was completely hidden. There were 2 schizophrenic 4th down playcalls. If you didn’t catch those 2 passes and watched her rest of the game. the fine line between dumb and stupid playcalls….is often just the result. Bryce misses just one of the 4th down calls and the narrative for Bryce and Canales is an entire 180.

Awards go out before the Super Bowl too I think. We should have gone after Vrabel. The ultimate Tepper flaw IMO is the personality types he wants working for him

I think the move makes sense. Theilen just wants to play to finish this last one out. His wife and family are bacK home. Rodgers just wants a human that will run correct routes. Steelers in a dead heat for the division. Makes sense. Throw him in the slot and let him play some TE style ball like he did here. It’s low ceiling but Rodgers willl likely make use of it

I mean, it’s Vrabel and not close IMO. Ben Johnson at #2. But yeah, if you want to recognize other HCs that aren’t going to win but deserve a head nod….Canales deserves one for this schizophrenic semi success.