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No, I mean the Bryce Brigade is a very select group. The haters are not coming for Jon Snow because he compliments Bryce’s 4th down throws lol.

I refuse to watch the OG 2 Gloved QB David Carr ever again. But for the OP, Carr is the 3rd #1 overall draft pick QB that has played for us. Well, the first. We just didn’t draft that one. but this post was informative. Now I understand why you have more tolerance than I with our current QB

D been better than the O on the season. I mean, I know it isn’t popular to say as everyone been dreaming about Evero leaving.

The Bryce "haters" don't go around starting a bunch of anti-Bryce Young threads. They aren't unhappy we win. But after a win, the Bryce brigade is going to make 89 threads and tie every conversation into Bryce actually being good and needing the credit.... Dude is a roleplayer and spotty one at best but it can't be just that. like I have said, if people treated Bryce like the QB he actually was.....we just wouldn't be talking much about him and just enjoying the surprising wins in harmony overall.

Doubt Ron would leave his gig w/ his alma mater to.....help Tepper out

ascend lol......Bryce was bad in 4 of the last 6 games. closer to the middle of the pack is still not the middle of the pack. It's below. Given Tilis is from KC, hopefully he is just saying the only things he can say and will be one of the good voices in house. He wasn't part of drafting Bryce.

yeah, but you are still largely just playing a game here. Whether the example is Remmers, Rex Grossman, or any other weak link on team. I'm here to talk about what I think should happen. Not what I expect the worst org in all of professional sports will do. I would assume the safe bet is they will continue to make huge blunders and people (a portion of the fanbase) will cheer the mistakes on as they happen in real time. It's been SUPER easy to call the big mistakes of this franchise ahead of time under Tepper. Most hate it when you do it....until later on. In the end, people will talk about Bryce Young how they talked about Matt Rhule. And there were still EXTREME defenders going into his clear lameduck season.

well, I think Dave Canales just needs to hire a really good OC and work on being a HC. I think that would be better than Pete Carroll being added to the advisory of this team.

First things, first.....you would have to rid the org of Jim Caldwell and Dom Capers for your scenario to play out. Which I support. but I still say, Jim Caldwell is a problem and a problem with influence. Meaning, he is likely hard to get rid of. we need clean breaks, which we never do. Always the old messes bleeding into the new mess (likely helping create the new mess)

It's a bantering message board. I could do a performative dance that conveys what my eyes see if you want. you are fixated on this Mike Remmers "helped" us go 15-1 and have one of the best seasons ever so don't say he stinks and needs to be replaced angle. Bryce has been a key reason in why we lose games more so than being a key reason in why we win them. If you want him to be warm body this year that might make a play here or there? Cool. Us staying on the Bryce train makes us irrelevant in the big picture.

I mean, you are doing here what you do. but yeah, the people you are "addressing" here don't think as you want to portray them. No one actually gives a fug about literal stats. threatening play and overall load carrying ability of an offense matter when it comes to a QB. Especially, if your goal is to build a really good football team. Thats generally the fixation of most teams. Find that dude that can carry a team if need be and good enough to win a Super Bowl. Sometimes stats get talked about just because it is an easy way to talk on a message board about QBs that don't got what they are looking for and don't view as the answer.

I don't think that's intellectually honest of the view at all... I think the people you deem are "unhappy" with stats......just stay fixated on the the big picture and to actually matter in the NFL going forward, you need more offensive production and more threatening play from the QB spot....if the goal is to be consistently relevant in the future and present a real threat to win the league on an ongoing basis (which is supposed to the goal and mission you are building toward) Finding our way to a random 9 win season......without the inspiration belief we are on the way to achieve what we want .....just doesn't actually mean much.

I mean, sure. But to an extent.....the bad play and stats will sort of jive up often. I do think players and coaches are aware of the stats. I'm sure a QB at some point has heard his coach throw his awful stats in his face in anger lol.

well, I think NFL teams do use stats these days. Analytics just too big of a thing. Now, I don't think they give a rip about ESPN's QBR. but do think a good team knows what there QBs completion % is going to this area of the field vs that coverage? Yes.

I assumed it was the play that resulted in that type of QBR on the season. Others in that range, get to keep playing for reasons that have something to do with not being a 5th round pick. I mean, I actually think for a 5th round pick...Rattler is a decent young body to have at your #3 or even #2 spot pending you got a solid QB you aren't looking to replace.

Rattler should of done more to not get drafted in the 5th round. Other rounds contain perks when it comes to QBRs in that area.

Every QB playing next Sunday in the Saints/Panthers game will have a QBR lower than Spencer Rattler. what do you want us to talk about if you are knocking out QB play for both teams in terms of suitable discussion?

true. but we talk about those guys in the moment.

you have a super high bar for a 2nd round rookie 4 starts into a career that took over what was a 1-7 win team. and I mean, we literally just watched him a couple weeks ago. Dude balled regardless of stats that day (which were good).

He is averaging 68% completion and 235 pass yards per game in his first 4 start....on a bad team. Yeah, he has better production as a starter than anyone else in his class and no one practically knew who he was going into this season. He is playing....oddly well (given who he is, how bad the Saints are, etc.). And that's our next opponent. In what folks deem a must win game for this weird ride to continue. So, yeah he should be talked about. football is a team sport. football players can play well......on bad teams and the team not win. I doubt the Saints are judging him on wins right now. but here you are in your Bryce Young feelings making it about Bryce. Go start another Bryce Young thread if you don't want to talk about the Saints.

True. That season, you could tell Tommy Jone got him. And Lady Luck sort interfered earlier in that season because the AZ game could have happened before it did and people excused it because the big turnover game didn’t actually happen even though it could have. AZ was Tommy Jone grabbing and shaking us so that no one could explain it away and we still didn’t listen.

Probably, easy to overlook…..the key defensive player responsible for generating 2 turnovers including ending the Rams final drive in the redzone as they atttempted to win the game

this is a rookie on a bad team. Playing oddly well. That we play next. But we just can’t talk about anything or anyone because of Bryce and the feelings.

Well, it gets weird. If Bryce Young is the quarterback…..it’s almost a certainty your team will be trailing at halftime (it’s like close to 80% of the time in his career). So it’s just never ending opportunity to comeback on teams. even this year, the golden year, we trail at the half 75% of the time I’m not sold on the clutch thing