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I don’t think Canales has a lot of real big support at all. I think his “supporters” are at the most extreme really just luke warm at best with him. but Bryce Young is his QB. Bryce made the John Fox of offensive coaching Frank Reich look unqualified to coach a 8 year old girls rec flag football team.

I think Canales sees the obvious. Think he saw it from the jump. It’s why Bryce Young’s career was essentially ended after 2 games into the season last year. what do you want him to do? It’s a no win situation for him. I think not hiding Bryce and therefore not getting the handful of extra and meaningless wins is the right call in the big picture. Only way to get the org to let him get a QB room that fits the O next year. Every year bodies are available to help teams with QB holes. Only way to put Bryce behind us….to let games like MNF play out

Dave IMO does know what he wants to be......it's the coaching tree and offense he has been part of his entire career. He can't do that And so you got a weak coach from that philosophy trying to make it without the required QB. And the QB in that offense, basically is someone that makes up and overcomes the actual offenses aren't actually good by design. To an extent is is run the ball and have your QB make some aggressive plays downfield. Dave is in no man's land. You can't run to setup the 5 yarder.

I loved Cam Newton the Carolina Panther. He is my Carolina GOAT w/ Luke. In fact, I loved the version that was the most heavily criticized version of him. The dude that pouted. Towel on the head. That hated to lose. I always thought all that was actually a great thing for us. We needed that injected into the franchise. Cam for me sort of is like Jake Delhomme. The versions at the end were very much different than the versions at the start. I got little interest in the Cam Newton of today trying to make as online/TV personality. I don't care for that guy.

there is a reason, NFL teams don't do that though. It creates weird dynamics. There is no point, having the #1 overall QB, who was drafted to be the franchise, who is presently wearing the C patch on his jersey......to occupy the role as the #2. You simply move on from him. You just trade him for peanuts. You move on. What is the rationale for keeping him rostered and how does that outweigh the negatives for keeping him. Bryce Young doesn't compare to all these random QBs with elite NFL QB traits. He has never shown their highs or tools. The we have to keep him so he doesn't go somewhere do make us look dumb mentality just ain't something I endorse. He doesn't have the tools to go make us look stupid elsewhere.

I mean, sure, he has made a mess of the football situation with his hires. I'm just saying, he is often overused to take the blame of others who ALSO are bad at their jobs. We see that often. Not just with Tepper. I mean, how many people did we scapegoat and try to give all the blame to before we admitted Matt Rhule was bad at his job. Same for Fitterer. Tepper's other pro team has gone to the postseason in back to back years now. Think they set a MLS record this year too. And they have barely existed. Tepper is not crafting the roster and shaping the team. Others do that for him. The QB room is the way it is because of the big picture hires of David Tepper. But on a practical football level discussion about why we suck at the QB spot and going forward, we got to talk about Dan Morgan. He is the dude doing the bad job there. I'm not trying to deflect any blame from Tepper. I just can't stand how Dan Morgan gets the pass he gets from some and the narrative......Tepper is calling the QB room, and this weird Morgan mantra that he somehow is silently against everything he part of building (not saying that is you but it exists here) I think with a good staff and QB, no one would care about David Tepper. I think Tepper has now limited his ability to get the good staff in the front office and sidelines. In hindsight, the Matt Rhule hire.....might go down as the biggest error in Panther history. Because it's all a snowball from that bad hire.

I still contend no well run team would have him on the roster next year. You got to move on from him. And you can't put the #1 overall pick, 3 year starter as the backup...that creates horrific in house dynamics.

I do think there is a win/lose aspect he is presently in with his QB situation. Let's say he does some really good Steve Wilks play ugly to win coaching......with a really ugly game plan beats SF (which we could have), gets New Orleans, and a Tampa game. Completely minimizes Bryce Young. well, that would have put him at 9-8 on the season. And then......Bryce Young is going nowhere. Maybe Morgan replaces Dalton but the Bryce conundrum gets even worse. Now you go that 5th year. and we know Bryce is going to get unfair credit. He already gets absurd credit for anything that goes okay. you are to an extent damned if you do if you are Canales IMO. I want them all gone. I just don't think Tepper can get the hire. I think the only way Tepper can get a good hire....is to give a decent coach way more power than Tepper would like.

Canales' biggest issue, is Morgan has left him w/ basically zero options to go to. Canales IMO is fugged. I fully believe he could of coached us to a win Monday night. But winning in spite of Bryce fugs him.....with Bryce staying in play. I mean, what do you do. Put all your cards on winning in spite of Bryce and just praying they will move on from despite the odds being low

as much as I like to bash David Tepper, I am of the belief the QB issue is rooted with the folks Tepper employs to make those actual calls/decisions. With both his pro teams. He might want to put the final stamp on things but he is doing it all off the sales job they do on their decisions. The Bryce folks never left. Fitterer simply got fired because of the collective mess and embarrassment that went down. Morgan went into this season because Morgan (part of the team that brought us Bryce)......still believed. And orchestrated a shame QB room to keep him safe. And Morgan refused to trade Bryce and allowed the comeback when the national consensus after Dave benched and moved on from him 2 weeks into his era......was to trade him. Because that is what teams do when they dump a QB like Bryce in that fashion. Nothing we can do about Tepper. And I think Tepper has reached a point where he is overblamed. I think the biggest issue on Bryce and why we went into this season with a shame QB room......is Dan Morgan and his team.

someone with a strong enough arm to play football outdoors. Bryce Young has 39 NFL starts. He has just 7 games indoors. In those 7 games, they contain 83% of his starts where he threw for more than 2 TDs (so every game but 1 was indoors) and 53% of his 200+ yard games as a passer.

I mean, it does have something to do with physical limitations. They impact Bryce and the play we can/can't get. You see examples most weeks of that coming into play. NFL defenses, the non-dumb ones, have figured him out. But you got some teams that refuse to follow the path because NFL coaches are stubborn and some insist on just doing what they do (see Atlanta and their blitzing). You can send some pressure at Bryce but the key to making him irrelevant is asking him to sit back and try to read/throw into coverage. only way for Canales to get rid of Bryce....is to not try to steal every game he can in spite of the QB

He immediately was in some weird and bogus QB competition and was never really given the team going into the season. And we know from Teddy to Cam......vet QBs spoke about how Matt Rhule wasn't running a legit NFL program while employed. I don't think Baker was the issue.

Pre-Tommy Jone Delhomme wasn’t Peyton Manning but he had so much of what you want in a QB, especially given tier he occupied. He had contagious energy, passion, grit and odd playmaking ability. given being a “nice guy” doesn’t really check a box (Jake was that but it’s not really a thing you look for on the field)….Bryce really only has negatives.

I still say Tepper’s flaw is bad hires….but the rest of the bad after that is his hires. I still say Bryce is a Panther front office issue (Morgan and company) more than anything. They are the folks that sold Tepper on Bryce. The face at the time was Fitterer…..and Fitterer got fired for the collective mess that was 2023. Mainly the Frank move who I think basically gave up practically. I don’t think any coach has ever wanted Bryce. Frank didn’t. Tepper didn’t get in the way of Canales benching and moving on from Bryce a mere 2 games into the Canales era……but Morgan kept the deck so the Bryce comeback could happen and then sold this season off it. I think Morgan peacocking about one random Bryce game speaks to the real folks dug in and wanting to be proven right on Bryce

Dude is screwed. Go all Steve Wilks and win a couple more games in spite of Bryce……the org is going to keep him tied to Bryce. You got to at some point just call games as they should even if it means losing to get rid of Bryce IMO

I’m old enough to remember Canales not calling preseason plays because after 2 years of calling plays in the NFL and just one with this team…..other people needed the reps more than him

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Do not do this. This is the NFL. Rams could easily just sleepwalk cross country and play down to an inferior team and still comfortably win by 7 (that isn't as close as the final score says)

I think Geno fits. Not that I want that. They got history. He fits the scheme. It's why he worked in Seattle and only Seattle. I also don't think Canales is some QB guru. I think the NFL is about fit. He coached in places where the QBs fit the scheme. He doesn't now. I've been hammering the fit mantra since the day we drafted Bryce. He has never fit anything we have done. He doesn't fit much. And you aren't making him fit and work in Frank's or Dave's O.

we didn't draft him but we picked up Chinn in the 2nd round. He was basically the good deal version of Simmons.

the can do everything on a college football field super kid....that fits nowhere in the NFL.

Canales flat out needs a playmaking QB. Lot of OCs do. I still say Canales is best paired w/ a Jake Delhomme style QB. Preferably a smarter and more athletic type. It fits the tree he comes from. Downfield gambler. Type that can make a play when the playcalls just aren't there (Baker did a lot bailing out on 3rd and long).

I think Kaye is selling some bologna with that take.....presenting fairly even sample of great, okay and bad. They don't split like that. I mean, selling Bryce/Canales as "fine" with the freaking Jets game? Bryce had 138 yards and they were horrible there. First Atlanta game? Bryce had 121 yards and couldn't move the ball (they didn't need to but still tried). Phins? Bryce was horrible and Rico carried us out of the hole w/ an all-time performance. There aren't 3 blocks the games fall fairly even into. It's been largely all bad and subpar play from Bryce and Canales. You basically give him the one Atlanta game as the great one. One okay game with Dallas (that was all Rico eating that game and Bryce getting some scraps off that). The rest bad/subpar. The games fall overwhelming into the bad/subpar tier....and that's not what he is portraying. He is still putting some spin on there Bryce/Canales shouldn't be getting.

I mean, Tepper is an issue. I think we use him as the scapegoat for the bad of others though. We seem to always want it to boil down to 1 guy. And it sort of contradicts what we know of Tepper. Tepper is a bad decision maker that moves on from bad decisions. Nowhere does the Tepper ego have him tripling down on bad mistakes. That's not his thing. I mean, I do believe the reporting of the split in house decision on Bryce. I think it is logical that that the split was front office and coaches. Tepper was the audience. He sided with the front office. But Scott Fitterer did his sales job on Bryce Young with his team. Fitterer's team is helping shape Fitterers viewpoint. Dan Morgan was Fitterer's #1 guy and Dan's current staff all feed the Bryce Young narrative IMO.