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Cam Newton had close to 4K yards and 30 TDs on a very efficient offense. these two things are nothing alike in terms of 2025 and 2013. Which is why the guy at the top was a Pro Bowler in 2013

Bryce Young stans keep PFF in busnsiess. Because every Bryce Young defense the past 2 seasons is them telling folks to disregard actual stats and production……and to look at PFF’s bologna

1086 yards, 7 TDs (16 game season) 1009 yards, 9 TDs (16 game season) 1014 yards, 7 TDs (17 game season) seems pretty close to me

also, draft position doesn't mean anything once you make it to the NFL. Jalen Coker is legit. Now, he might not of been healthy every game but as of right now.....there is really zero reason this offense is bottom of the league. We got the OL. We got the RBs and we got the WRs to be a pretty decent offense. We just need someone putting the ball where it needs to be.

I mean, a villain turn or not... KB did what he did in less games. Which was more yards and TDs on a per game basis.

it's a pretty tight 3 man contest

I think his point is, Bryce has a comical long leash/opportunity given what he has shown in the NFL. And when you look elsewhere, most other QBs that operated in a similar neighborhood had the audition ended by now. Bryce's opportunity and chances have been greater than the norm (especially, when you zero in on the present day NFL and stay out of prior eras)

lightning doesn't strike twice. Which is the hope. I think if we can force a competitive game at least going into the 4th.....that will be a win we can take with us in the big picture.

if Canales is going to take an INT and get risky.....it's going to be essentially throwing into the endzone/redzone. It really feels like lives to mitigate the Bryce Young holes where folks have gotten up on us. Bryce seems pretty clamped down outside of that area in his throws.

Bryce's velocity isn't an issue for most balls pending he gets to make the throw in ideal circumstances. But only a % of plays afford a QB the luxury of ideal circumstances. You want a QB that can still get it done when they are forced into less ideal scenarios, throws. Bryce lacks the arm for that often. and even in an ideal world, some of the tougher out routes an things like that are just tough for him to pull off.

wish there was a Falcon, Buc or Saints player that was saying something that sounded like this about our QB.... 'Shough is the real deal. Left Josh Allen's division, left from Josh Allen being in the division, and came to this [expletive] with Shough in it.'" Panthers Pro Bowl G - Robert Hunt

that's my Morgan issue. I think he is a continuation of Fitterer. So much of the "change" was really just punishing Fitterer for whatever and letting his team keep it keeping on IMO.

THIS. Morgan was the right hand man of the horrific Fitterer era. Yet, he gets a complete pass and people have invented this fictional world where he was silently against all the stuff his buddy thought. his first pure draft as GM - 2024 featured tremendous ideas such as trading up to draft XL and the class as a whole looks meh. if people don't give credit to Hurney for taking super safe picks in the top 10, how much credit does Dan get for being able to eyeball the safest WR to pick w/ his top 10 pick. Now he did hit on his 2nd and 3rd round picks but that's basically his claim to fame. the most important room in the building is on him....the QB room. His brilliant moves are backing up Bryce with a washed Dalton and only being able to find Jack Plummer for preseason ball 2 years in a row.

All you have to do is watch Bryce throw out routes or comebacks to the sideline….. his arm is 100% on the weaker side starting QB standards. Not really a debate IMO. and you hate watching it because the ball hangs

And that’s really carnival game throwing. As it sailed over what’s his name. Not in game, route throwing. Bryce has to be 40ish on a lot throws

These numbers differ. 2008-2013 https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

Cam Newton combine - 56 zero chance the average gets up to 60……from 2008-2023 literally one QB at the combine cracked 60. Josh Allen. DeShaun Watson was always a floater in college and pros. He was 45. Bryce has to be super low. Way lower than that AI bot was suggesting and thats where those numbers were from

Highest velocity any QB at his combine got to was 58 and that was just to one direction. Random example: Anthony Richardson Florida 53 (Left) 54 (Right) and that is at the combine where they know they are being clocked for velocity. So you know that likely is situationally influenced to be higher than what they actually throw normally

true, but all versions of that aren't the same. Maybe you hang onto a Thomas Davis type player a year or two longer than maybe you should (not implying we did). Needing David Moore on your team....would be a different version of that flaw IMO.

the actual most interesting thing about X-Clown, is the play sucked all week leading up to the game and they never hit it. Which is why I guess it took until double OT to finally be forced to call it.

well, I'd argue the David Moore issue has shown itself over and over. David Moore is his guy. Which means he has guys. And that means rosters and pecking order ain't just about play.......and I think if you look beyond David Moore at how David Canales manages his roster.......you see at other spots, he has been reluctant to play the best options elsewhere several times. Which is a flaw I don't want in my coach. Starting lesser caliber players for "reasons".

well, just some quick on the two subjects I mentioned. YAC and getting open. 2024 YAC per reception - tied for dead last in all the NFL amongst all WRs and TEs 2024 ESPN Analytics - Open - 148 of 159 - not technically dead last I mean if your QB is Bryce Young, there is really very little reason to have a dude that can't get open or make anything happen w/ the ball in his hands *he also was above league average in drop % in 2024

XL had 3 catches in the 4th quarter. Dave ain't done w/ him. Coker just earned his %

Odds favor he has a routine Bryce game. about 180 yards. Maybe a TD. Maybe a turnover.

Bryce is essentially what you would call a bridge QB. A body that occupies the starting role while you look to make a move to find you a QB. We should treat/view him as such.