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First things, first.....you would have to rid the org of Jim Caldwell and Dom Capers for your scenario to play out. Which I support. but I still say, Jim Caldwell is a problem and a problem with influence. Meaning, he is likely hard to get rid of. we need clean breaks, which we never do. Always the old messes bleeding into the new mess (likely helping create the new mess)

It's a bantering message board. I could do a performative dance that conveys what my eyes see if you want. you are fixated on this Mike Remmers "helped" us go 15-1 and have one of the best seasons ever so don't say he stinks and needs to be replaced angle. Bryce has been a key reason in why we lose games more so than being a key reason in why we win them. If you want him to be warm body this year that might make a play here or there? Cool. Us staying on the Bryce train makes us irrelevant in the big picture.

I mean, you are doing here what you do. but yeah, the people you are "addressing" here don't think as you want to portray them. No one actually gives a fug about literal stats. threatening play and overall load carrying ability of an offense matter when it comes to a QB. Especially, if your goal is to build a really good football team. Thats generally the fixation of most teams. Find that dude that can carry a team if need be and good enough to win a Super Bowl. Sometimes stats get talked about just because it is an easy way to talk on a message board about QBs that don't got what they are looking for and don't view as the answer.

I don't think that's intellectually honest of the view at all... I think the people you deem are "unhappy" with stats......just stay fixated on the the big picture and to actually matter in the NFL going forward, you need more offensive production and more threatening play from the QB spot....if the goal is to be consistently relevant in the future and present a real threat to win the league on an ongoing basis (which is supposed to the goal and mission you are building toward) Finding our way to a random 9 win season......without the inspiration belief we are on the way to achieve what we want .....just doesn't actually mean much.

I mean, sure. But to an extent.....the bad play and stats will sort of jive up often. I do think players and coaches are aware of the stats. I'm sure a QB at some point has heard his coach throw his awful stats in his face in anger lol.

well, I think NFL teams do use stats these days. Analytics just too big of a thing. Now, I don't think they give a rip about ESPN's QBR. but do think a good team knows what there QBs completion % is going to this area of the field vs that coverage? Yes.

I assumed it was the play that resulted in that type of QBR on the season. Others in that range, get to keep playing for reasons that have something to do with not being a 5th round pick. I mean, I actually think for a 5th round pick...Rattler is a decent young body to have at your #3 or even #2 spot pending you got a solid QB you aren't looking to replace.

Rattler should of done more to not get drafted in the 5th round. Other rounds contain perks when it comes to QBRs in that area.

Every QB playing next Sunday in the Saints/Panthers game will have a QBR lower than Spencer Rattler. what do you want us to talk about if you are knocking out QB play for both teams in terms of suitable discussion?

true. but we talk about those guys in the moment.

you have a super high bar for a 2nd round rookie 4 starts into a career that took over what was a 1-7 win team. and I mean, we literally just watched him a couple weeks ago. Dude balled regardless of stats that day (which were good).

He is averaging 68% completion and 235 pass yards per game in his first 4 start....on a bad team. Yeah, he has better production as a starter than anyone else in his class and no one practically knew who he was going into this season. He is playing....oddly well (given who he is, how bad the Saints are, etc.). And that's our next opponent. In what folks deem a must win game for this weird ride to continue. So, yeah he should be talked about. football is a team sport. football players can play well......on bad teams and the team not win. I doubt the Saints are judging him on wins right now. but here you are in your Bryce Young feelings making it about Bryce. Go start another Bryce Young thread if you don't want to talk about the Saints.

True. That season, you could tell Tommy Jone got him. And Lady Luck sort interfered earlier in that season because the AZ game could have happened before it did and people excused it because the big turnover game didn’t actually happen even though it could have. AZ was Tommy Jone grabbing and shaking us so that no one could explain it away and we still didn’t listen.

Probably, easy to overlook…..the key defensive player responsible for generating 2 turnovers including ending the Rams final drive in the redzone as they atttempted to win the game

this is a rookie on a bad team. Playing oddly well. That we play next. But we just can’t talk about anything or anyone because of Bryce and the feelings.

Well, it gets weird. If Bryce Young is the quarterback…..it’s almost a certainty your team will be trailing at halftime (it’s like close to 80% of the time in his career). So it’s just never ending opportunity to comeback on teams. even this year, the golden year, we trail at the half 75% of the time I’m not sold on the clutch thing

I mean, after Jake Delhomme imploded versus AZ…..we gave him a big contract extension

We literally play the Saints next and this kid’s surprising start is the most relevant thing to talk about regarding them. Bryce Young insecurity shouldn’t shut down talk

67% in the 3 starts if you exclude the Carolina start. Kid was at 69 and 68% the last 2 weeks. Pretty impressive and he ain’t playing check down ball. shocked if he could keep it up but that’s a pretty wild start for him

I actually haven’t paid attention to him, figured he just had a really lucky day vs us. Saw some guys on Twitter hyping him and it turns out given his circumstances the kid is playing really well.

68% comp, 235 yards, 1.2 TDs, 0.75 INTs, average per game. for a rookie on a bad team, the kid can play.

Well, I think there is a slight difference between, you should know Lane will move on from you to look out for himself….and you should of known if your school made the CFP with Lane he would ditch you before it started. Hard to see that one coming. but it really highlights how college football is really meaningless and pointless. I mean a coach makes the CFP and is like nope. Not interested…..I need to go to LSU so I can get these kids to what? You certainly can’t sell the idea you are there to help them win a natty lol .

Again, the Bryce stans need to get on the same page. It was just complained about when I didn’t include 2023 on another discussion and left it out. Because they wanted to talk about his growth. the Bryce stans bring up Trevor, not the haters I have never said Trevor is above average lol as a NFL QB. but yes, Trevor can be a headache basket case AND the league leaders in drops can be a big letdown (paired with injury) in a convo where someone calls them great. They have been hurt and dropping the ball unlike any other team. Thats not great weapons at your disposal if they are hurt and not catching

If you are using PFR then you should be able to easily the the dividing league average line.....where Bryce is above and Trevor is below it. It's a big blank space that says league average when you are sorting by bad throw %. You don't really want to go backwards. Bryce was #1 in bad throw % in 2023 Bryce was #1 in bad throw % in 2024 (technically 2 but #1 was Anthony Richardson and he didn't finish out the season) in 2023, 2024, 2025.....Bryce is above league average all 3 seasons in bad throw % and Trevor is below all 3 seasons. Bryce stans need to find something else than thinking Trevor Lawrence somehow makes Bryce Young not bad. It's not working. And no one, even Clemson fans, really want to be in here defending the forever disappointing Trevor Lawrence.

This board must have way more Clemson fans than I give it credit for, the amount of folks that watch all the Trevor Lawrence games is way higher than I would have guessed. #All In! Go Tigers! Jaguars are also 6-1 this season with Trevor's best weapon the field. Which all of us Trevor watchers know isn't BTJ given we watch all his games.