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We wlll see if Trevor and the Jags can break the voodoo curse. Trevor was 34-2 in college. Both losses came in SuperDome during the playoffs Jags also 0-3 in that dome.

I’m largely a pass on Horn because I don’t have faith in the Panthers to not overpay him with a bad contract. I mean, a good deal would be fine but I have no faith in Carolina to make that happen.

CMC suited up for every game his first 3 seasons. He played RB. And we turned him into a one man offense. Thomas Davis missed 2 games his first 4 seasons there was no concern about health going into their first contracts off their rookie years. Jeff Otah is the Horn comparison. Otah was dominant. And Otah suited up more than Horn. Betting on Otah would have been silly.

Tepper’s tenure has essentially been dedicated to making Hurney, Fox/Ron, Richardson, etc. all look better.

Shelton had 23 yards. In his entire career. TMJ is a better Dwayne Jarrett. Not sure who that makes him. What’s inbetween Colbert and Jarrett?

I’m not buying Lamar and Hurts being 1-5 or worse here. They are both built to adapt to our issues significantly better than Bryce Young by a large margin. And we could have won a couple games with Bryce if you changed a singular play most likely Not only are they vets but they can create their own run game and extend many plays that Bryce has been sacked on. And that’s with an our poo playcalling. Heck, we should have been able to win several with Bryce and good coaching. And the Herberts, Lawerences and Burrow types would have been given more Andy Dalton liberty and they are drastically better than Dalton.

also, unless you have already established yourself...A new coach is going to favor his guys over Matt Rhule's guys. I don't buy Frank really forgetting about TMJ. It serves Frank better for his dudes to produce.

I wouldn't trade for him. I'd just wait for the Panthers to inevitably cut him if I wanted to kick those tires.

still rules us out. We running a dink and dunk operation.

well, I wouldn't give him away. I'd want at least a 2nd at this point. My valuation is probably lower than most. I'd basically swap Brown and Horn on that list.

he has 2 years remaining after this year and that would include picking up his 5th year extension. to date he has played in 42% of our games with no sign of suiting up any time soon. why would you want to pay a guy like that? Exceptions shouldn't be the rule. We already lucked into a freak exception with Thomas Davis. You shouldn't pay someone made of glass because it MIGHT change. And what's Horn's best game to date. Who did he shutdown? I mean, he had crazy potential. I think he has it pending he could ever stay healthy. But he hasn't even been healthy enough to ever show anything of note.

Horn has suited up for 42% of his available games. Not sure you can even say a legit QB/WR combo has even tested him out yet in his career. The Bengals game was over in the 1st quarter. Joe Mixon just had a field day. So you we can't even use that game to see what he can really do vs the best.

Still don’t see how anyone can argue a higher trade value for Horn than Brown. Not sure you presented it.

Chinn barely plays at this point. And frankly, he has been nothing but message board hype post his rookie season. Carolina clearly doesn’t know what to do with him. It’s the tweener problem. I think the fan base overvalues him at this point.

Not sure how anyone can argue a higher trade value for Horn than Brown.

I get he is cheap now. But that's also what would make him potentially attractive to a good team. you want them to extend and pay a DB that has been that comically injured? If you don't.....then he isn't part of our plans. Even if he balls out this team isn't going to do anything next year. So he just ends up walking. Why not get stuff for assets that aren't part of the long term plan. Because our future success would have to be in the long term not short term.

we are rebuilding though. We aren't contending this year or next. So what purpose does he really serve if he isn't part of the long term plan. And Horn shouldn't be part of the long term plan and be here after his rookie deal is over. His injury history says we shouldn't extend him to money.

he is marketable in the sense he is a high tier player when healthy and has another year on his rookie deal. So if you are a good team. He would make a lot of sense if you had a hole in your secondary. we can't extend his contract. not to a deal that matches his talent. we aren't going to do anything of note next year. Right thing for us given his history would be to let him walk. I would trade him if you could find a deal for him.

What is going on with that Raiders receiving talent is weird. Adams is still on of the best in the game. Refrow was largely regarded as the best pure slot player in the game. And Raiders have been like, nah.....we don't want to throw to those people.

I'll try to word it again. You can call me a Matt Rhule hater. It's true. I could however find posts where I defend him. That doesn't then mean I am not a Matt Rhule hater. arguing about things in absolutes is bologna. They don't really exist. Calling me a Matt Rhule hater doesn't mean that literally every word I utter is negative about him. and I don't think you really read what I said. I don't give a poo what anyone here thinks. And I fully support threads without bitching or just for bitching. Label it and stay out if that's not your thing. None of it matters to me. I wasn't a big Joe Brady defender. That's what the Matt Rhule sunshine brigade labeled me. I was a defender of not allowing a green and weak first time OC to be the scapegoat for how horrific Matt Rhule was and what he was doing here. And I stand by every thought I had on that. Brady was what he was. Matt Rhule sunshine squad wanted him to be the fall guy for the Rhule shitshow at that time. I wasn't having it. It was Rhule. It was Fitt. Joe Brady was just a green OC trying to learn. He was never the biggest problem. And I think that is pretty well proven.

huddle going to huddle. my favorite part of the huddle is when people suddenly act like it used to be different in the good old days. In the good old days you could find people ripping Peppers to shreds for his play, moaning about every pick, contract, and as spirited of debates as you could find on every QB from Matt Moore to Jake Delhomme. and the reverse was also true. You could find idiots like me pimping Dwayne Jarrett even past the point of embarrassment. POSITIVITY! He just needs more opportunity!!!!

I mean, there is optimism....and then are people who lecture and call out any post dares talk about the reality of a Ben McAdoo hire. Or lecture you and post stalk for daring talk about the career of Miles Sanders or Frank Reich, and what essentially lead to them being here. They go thread to thread and post to post defending the honor of everyone in blue and black. but like I said, that largely is a before the season kicks off thing. there is nothing menacing about the "shadow group of huddlers" you reference. They just exist from time to time. iamhubby is an extreme version of it. there are some more watered down versions and sure, you can cherry pick out a couple axes they might have to grind in their posts. Absolutes almost never exist nor should that be how things are argued. I mean, saying someone represents the positive only segment doesn't mean if you find a post where they weren't nice about something they don't represent that "group". I mean, I'm a Matt Rhule hater. But you can find a post of me defending him in handful of moments. I'm still a hater. Those posts don't change the blanket term someone throws at me. and I have endorsed positive only threads in the past. Who cares. I think people should be allowed to bitch too. So if a thread is marked where only bitching or cheering is going to be? Stay out of the one that would bother you. That's my 2 cents.

heck, we should trade Horn. We can't pay him. We aren't on schedule to do anything that matters next year either.

yeah, Frank won't even know he isn't out there. Until someone asks about it.