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I wish Mr. Scot was here today so he could call you a conspiracy theorist who refuses facts from the horses mouth over his own imagination.

again, a young offensive mind. and both windows made sense to it (Rhule and Frank). not retreads. not old guys. I haven't spent the time to invest who we should because we are going to be stuck with Frank for 1 more season.

I don't know who you want. I simply responded to your post about we should of hired Wilks. We shouldn't of. We shouldn't of hired Frank. We shouldn't of hired Rhule. and we shouldn't hire Harbaugh. He is a problem waiting to happen too. So maybe we will.

he looked good when the Colts just flat out busted coverage and didn't play defense. Which were his two best plays. I mean, credit for seeing it. But that was the best players on the D. Because this O can't actually challenge and beat people.

I didn't advocate for sticking with Ron. I'm just acknowledging Wilks is essentially Ron (which is what YOU are advocating for). I've been consistent. For YEARS. We need young offensive minds. That's what I wanted post Ron Rivera. That's who I want to be hired. Which we haven't done. and post Ron we have hired a fraudulent defensive college coach and an old dinosaur retread HC who surrounded himself with older dinosaurs to oversee things.

the trade to 1 was technically made for no one in particular if you believe the extensive reporting around that time. Tepper just wanted to be able to get anyone he/they ended up deciding on was best.

yeah, that's why I said it doesn't mean all that much. It's just numbers. And like the Fewell stretch is only 4 games. Just overall way too many variables. But I think it is safe to say, Ron and even Rhule lead some more successful teams and offense than Frank Reich has to date. And Frank is the "offensive" guy. I think the reason why is because they had essentially nothing to do with the offenses and Frank does.

I mean, Frank even had his folks like his old roommate Boomer out pimping of what a Frank Reich QB is during that window.....and they assured us 100% it was a CJ Stroud type.

then we should of just kept Ron Rivera at that point. The move to Wilks isn't a move. and no on Sam Darnold.

the comparison is just to Matt Rhule. Nothing else. I'm not a supporter of the move to hire Frank or any of these old dinosaurs. It was a bad and wrong move. Frank sucks. Saying he doesn't suck as bad as Matt Rhule isn't a compliment of Frank.

Frank is bad. Matt Rhule is horrible. Frank gets the edge simply from a respect stand point of dudes in the locker room.

I mean, Frank isn't worse than Rhule. But Frank Reich, Jim Caldwell, and Dom Capers aren't rockstars. They are what the NFL is moving past and away from. And we ran to that type old suckage because we overcompensated after the Matt Rhule disaster. and the book on them is long, old and outdated.

I couldn't make it past the first point of Frank not wanting Bryce. OP is a conspiracy theorist that refuses to listen facts and thinks he knows it all. I know this is true because the OP told me what this type garbage being talked about really is. OR.....maybe he is the only one that can engage in it.

I did this really quick but I think it correct. I don't think it makes any grand point given there are so many variables but here are the points per game by HC/OC duo of the Tepper era. Wilks/McAdoo - 22 points per game Ron/Turner - 22 points per game Rhule/Brady - 21 points per game Rhule/McAdoo - 18 points per game Frank/Brown - 17 points per game Fewell/Turner - 15 points per game Rhule/Nixon - 13 points per game basically Frank/Brown are outperforming part of the interim crowd at this rate. *title says scoring offense but it's just the PPG # being used for clarification.

there is always a time for scapegoat changes though. That's the NFL. That's what I think we see after Thursday if we lose. And then folks can act like that one issue somehow will matter despite it being a host of issues. Because nothing they do will put us on a better course. Subtraction doesn't help. We need addition that we can't see until some point after this season is over.

part of that was also a VERY veteran QB having to throw the most passes in his entire long career vs a meh D for the team to finally post a respectable day. I mean, even in our "good".....you see the red flags. And if you replay that game it probably doesn't go as good as Dalton probably got a little lucky vs some of the pressures. Got to think at that rate they saw and we survived....we don't deal with that as good. But yeah, Dalton is better and should be better than Bryce in that scenario.

I'm done spending money on them. Walked out of the game after the 2nd pick 6 yesterday. And at no point during the actual game did I feel like this team could do anything except really exploit a mistake. 2 biggest plays, that weren't really big in the Hurst pass and Chark TD, really just felt like blown coverage. It's like all we can do is hope someone makes a mistake. It was just boring. They are boring and bad. What Tepper deserves is empty seats. That's the only way to communicate with him.

I mean, opposing defenses have an easy life out there and its leads to potentially big days for every D we will face. there isn’t one singular reason for this mess. It’s them all put together. But that’s 100% part of it, bro.

Oh I agree nothing will actually matter, just that I feel this will be where we see the most change we see happen if we lose. Whatever that will be. This will essentially be treated as the bottom by Tepper IMO. He will want some face saving/blame moves and will get them if we take the L.

They did. But I stated last week the core of this O is simply Frank’s standard O. The 60% Brown acknowledged. Brown didn’t make that base up out of thin air. Frank dictated what the base would be. It’s the primary part we have used and relied upon. The 40% isn’t called 40% of the time. It just exists in a book. We are just running the Frank O with all its standard flaws that showed in Indy and SD.

Be careful. That type statement will have some people flipping out

As mad as people are nothing is going to change most likely going into this short week BUT…. if we lose to the Bears…we will see some action go down in Charlotte. I don’t know what that will mean but it will be something. Bryce getting time off, Frank going back to playcaller, Fitt taking it on the chin, some random firings at skill positions, who knows.. But I just don’t see a world where we lose to the Bears and nothing happens. The embarrassment will reach it’s peak on prime time vs the team we are going to be gifting the #1 overall pick to. And you know that narrative and talk is going to be big. And potentially losing to to a random late round rookie backup QB with our #1 overall QB. this is the Panthers Super Bowl

The Weinke Panthers > 2010 or 2023 Panthers.

I largely put that on management of the entire operation. If you asked Joe Burrow to run Lamar Jackson’s O and Burrow then sucks….is that Burrow sucking or the Bengals being clueless with their talent? If we put Thielen on the outside and run go routes all game and he finished with 0 additional catches the rest of the year? Did Thielen get worse or is he be asked to do the wrong thing. This OL was not built nor acquired to run this offense. They don’t fit it nor what they are asked to be each week. So I largely put it on coaching and management. Even if this O is their ideal vision they don’t have the talent for it yet. And they aren’t adjusting to that fact. At all. The OL sucks. They 100% suck. I just think you gotta acknowledge why they suck and it’s a choice the staff made.

Panthers are in a tough spot they billed themselves a plug in a QB and win team. we have been horrid. So let’s say you want argue Bryce isn’t the problem….then you have to identify the problems (and they have to be big ones)….and change them. you basically have to at a bare minimum have to pick Bryce, GM or coaches. I’d love for the sunshine brigade to start addressing where the change is supposed to come from.