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the real answer is we shouldn't of brought in a Wilks/Reich. Not wanting a Wilks type coach is a fine position. But we hired an offensive variation of him. Frankly, Wilks is probably a better version of that type despite being a defensive variant. it's 2023. We should of hired a HC suited for that. Which isn't Wilks or Reich.

It’s not like Tepper is the first controlling owner the league has seen. There are still only 32 of these gigs in existence. Even being horrible as a HC keeps you employed in the good old boys network down the road. Frank needed time off. We look like a team that just hired a fired offensive train wreck. Because we did.

Pat speaking some truth here. Good clip. Some very basic observation about Frank looking to be in trouble. He doesn’t look or sound good. Really like his Tepper rant at the 8 minute mark…which is basically an overly involved wealthy guy going….we need to fire the HC, we need to hire a new HC. We need to fire GM, we need hire a new GM. We need a new QB. We need a need to fire the playcaller. We need a new QB. We need a new playcaller. We need to fire the HC. We need a new HC. We need a new QB. We need a new playcaller. And that brings us to today. who would want to come to this poo show.

No coach is going to stand there and say Tepper said I had to do it. Nor would Tepper want that. None of that would square. and you know it wasn’t the truth with Frank’s bullshit reasoning of why he decided now…..when he claimed he finally had the offense in a rhythm as the justification. No one that follows football believes the Panthers offense is finally in a rhythm lol. They got blanked the last 3 quarters vs a meh defense. That’s a bold face lie.

motion is the McVay tree. So hopefully he adds it.

Panthers offense was shut out the last 3 quarters......as Frank declares his 0-6 team has found a rhythm. this is borderline Matt Rhule "you just can't see it" bologna. but I get it, you can't say David demanded the change and I made it. But end of the day, it's a hard sales job that Frank made this move on his own. Got to feel given the talk Frank has already openly put out there on Dave.....the team has to realize their coach doesn't really hold the power. Which isn't a good thing either.

would like to see an increase in motion to help Bryce

less predictable playcalling certainly helps though. We aren't going to suddenly be good. But there could be improvement.

Frank in his presser today: The offense has finally found a rhythm and that's why he can turn it over to Brown

Well, that the name of the game in the NFL. When it gets bad....it becomes about fall guys and blame shifting. Been that way for years. I think Fitt rightfully goes at some point this season personally.

Thank goodness those defensive touchdowns can afford the PR team a bogus stat to pimp

that was just coach speak for quit asking me IMO. Frank was blasted at Indy on his way out and was a hot topic coming in. because the rational he was using was he would get the O up and performing well and THEN might hand it over. Not have it be dumpster fire and then toss it to Brown. Frank has already let us know how ticked and involved Tepper is. Just seems like Tepper doing what Frank essentially let us know Tepper would be doing.

I thought there was reporting that the owner/gm paired a lot of this up....and it wasn't just them hiring a HC that did what he pleased.

I don't think Frank hired all the staff to begin with.

Tepper is horrific/the devil......and Tepper most likely forced Frank into a fairly obvious decision. Frank and other folks have made it to clear of Tepper's unhappiness and involvement. And that was an easy call for Tepper to enforce on his coach at the 0-6 bye.

SUPER safe bet that Frank didn't make that decision. Tepper made that decision in one of their "talks". and I am also willing to bet the playcalling will better vs the Texans.

never was implying it was a good plan but you can give certain select few weak talent and not suck. That's not and never has been Bryce Young. and that's also why Bryce Young isn't the problem. The Panthers are. Tepper was literally bragging about taking Bryce Young to save money and not have superstars on O. Bryce Young isn't and doesn't project to be one of those anomalies. He doesn't know football. He doesn't even have idiot message board level football IQ IMO.

has Bryce completed a ball downfield (20+) yet this season? I honestly can't think of one.

it wasn't a horrific call. But Frank conceded he was pushing the limits on the distance it was suppose to be used/called. So essentially they wasted a good play IMO.

I don't hang my hat on certain stats. Stats tell incomplete stories. Risk adverse checkdown ball can lead to selectively good stats. I'd rather they not mortgage so much for someone with the physical limitations that Bryce Young. And if they wanted to draft Bryce Young, I'd prefer they have hired a staff that could build an offense around his strengths and a put a cast around him that caters to that. We didn't. We got bigger issues than Bryce Young. We are a dysfunctional org that isn't building toward anything. Bad marriages. That's largely been my biggest complaint. You can make a Bryce Young work. We aren't. And it's by unintentional design.

Most need them. A prime Cam, Lamar, Vick type can win without them. The more untraditional types. and then the elite GOAT types QBs can win without them. Like a prime Tom Brady, Rodgers could likely win games without superstars. But in the NFL, most need them. and that's just winning games. Not competing to do something special. The argument a rookie Bryce Young of all people didn't or doesn't need them is a comical farce IMO. Which was pointed out by many leading into this season when people were pimping this Panther PR about how it was going to work to our advantage somehow lol.

yeah, I think the difference there is just playcalling/scheme. NFL teams largely know the predictable routes we are running over and over. Makes separation harder. We do have average WRs. But life is hard on them because they run the same weak ass crossing routes and outs all game and defense can largely run the routes with them. you can't win in the NFL with an opponent knowing what you are doing. You need comical better talent for the try and stop us approach. Which is the Frank/Bryce O. Defenses have been playing it since week 1. Average WRs are going to have a hard time playing the small ball cross game vs a D playing it.

We do have average WRs. The Dolphins don't. The Phins don't even have above average. They have top tier WRs. So the contrast is going to be big. and yeah, Bryce needs elite weapons. Because he himself doesn't have elite NFL tools.

Frank talked about the plan going in at the post game presser....and then him altering it after a couple runs hit and then everything coming to a hault. Frank is definitely calling the plays. Frank has zero feel for playcalling. This game continues to highlight that well established fact. And as someone said about, the 2nd drive at least was still probably going off the opening script.

I mean, here is Jimmy Clausen in college chucking it downfield. What does that mean.