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Yeah, once the actual games the power Cam run plays started . The designed run game. Cam had to be defended different than preseason which was trying to grow his pass game paired with a neutered rush threat

Got to think Cam being so unique to defend in real games was a heavy factor. League just had never dealt with what that O presented. They had seen Vick mimics that run away from people. Not dudes that could run over any of the 11 defenders. It took a year of film on Cam. That zone read struggled to open up year 2 once they adjusted on it

Ron actually did have sort of hidden O that didn’t really come out until the regular season. It was such a college heavy look. Basically what Frank pretended he had up his sleeve but didn’t . defenses were facing something unique when Cam rolled out into the league. With Bryce, it was just Frank standard junk with a QB that wasn’t able to challenge folks with the full field

Not looking big picture and just looking going into 2024 WR is an upgrade on paper. But they both are on the outside which is going to be the toughest part of the pass game for Bryce to get it done. I mean, I’m not sure a rookie TE in the 4th round replacing Hurst makes a TE room better on paper going into a season. I don’t think Brooks suits up to start off the year but when he does I think he gives it a slight upgrade in 2024. I mean, D is a push IMO. Probably comes down to what are opponents actually turn out to be. But reality is we lost Luvu and Burns.

Wasn’t Bryce praised as some vet type super player during all the camp work? Cam Newton struggled…until real football had to be played. Then smashed the record books out the gate. Ron couldn’t find the work to gift him the job over Clausen. Think a run vs the Bengals is what Ron used as the reasoning (I mean it was good). But Cam struggled until that week 1 game. You never know….

If it doesn’t work with Bryce….I just have one wish. Actually burn the thing to the ground. Quit keeping parts of a disaster to fix the last disaster.

We love boogeymen here too. It’s just Joe Brady!! It’s all him! Meanwhile Rhule was a cartoon clown. Then it was all Rhule. Fitterer is actually great! Matt was in complete control! Now it was all Frank.

Yeah, but that’s just standard talk. Same stuff said entering every year for every team. Like last year. Just echoing what Frank wants. Jim Caldwell won the Game of Thrones last year. He clearly rose in power during that poo show. How else does he help pick the hires this year. The offensive assistant also remains. I can accept keeping the entire D coaching staff intact but I have long said….something doesn’t smell right about Caldwell surviving all this. How exactly did he gain so much favor and survive. Same for the O assistant.

I mean, I normally jive with him but his logic here doesn’t actually make any sense. Bryce struggled last year because the HC, OC, Sr O advisor, Dalton, QB coach all were talking to him…..but that’s somehow not going to happen again? He is going to be hearing all those same folks talk. Maybe the old ones were the wrong voices but that’s not what he is arguing. Canales is the HC. A green one that has tons to learn. He isn’t going to be the lone voice for Bryce. He doesn’t t have that sort of time to devote to him

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Got to think it was top 10 run game all those years without looking.

Then got paired with Cam and that read zone once Dwill was gone. Got to think he would have logged 3 straight thousand yard seasons in that window but Cam was going to get his in that O

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I’d add pass pro to that. Hard to really keep a RB on the field consistently on 3rd down that can’t be relied on in pass pro

I still think there is a difference, which will interesting to see play out. Brady wasn’t a beloved GOAT. I mean most, not saying there weren’t anti-Tiger folks, but the majority were rooting for him. Same with a Jordan. I think most people rooted against Brady.

Plus there is also the positional difference. Bryce isn’t just small. Since the 1940s….it’s basically a discussion of who was smaller between Bryce and Floutie. Bryce is uniquely small. you can stay in 89s era and find small guys doing big things

You could replay that head catch 100 times and Eli wouldn’t even get the throw off for the lucky catch to of even had a chance. Big time athletes talk a lot about luck factoring. The Giants caught some luck when it mattered. But again, I was comparing their demeanors as players. Not the highlights of a team whose QB didn’t even have a winning record as a starter. Eli has the trophy case of a great QB. He wasn’t one.

I mean, being with the #1 overall pick and proving the doubters wrong I think are 2 separate things 1. Bryce will most likely never be worth the pick 2. Can he prove people wrong? Well, that’s not that tall of an order. He can be a middle tier starting QB I think does that. 11-16ish range. Like a healthy Alex Smith. I think he can in the right situation. Situation and fit is what most of the NFL boils down to

I compared their demeanors as QBs. Eli didn’t check the traditional box you look for there at the NFL. Where the QB is basically slotted in as the default leader of the team. Eli wasn’t really that guy. 100% wasn’t early on in his career. Eli got lucky in the postseason. That’s sports. But he was a .500 NFL QB with the Manning legacy aiding him. Hell, Cam and Jake had better win %s than Eli.

Except for O scheme that doesn’t fit him and a newb OC that has never been an OC and another first time QB coach. That’s all repeated. And going in he has a slot WR that can’t get open quick, meh TE play in 2024 most likely and a no proven NFL rec RB. he has a weapons in place for a downfield pass attack. Which isn’t his game. I still think he is set up to fail largely. Again

Cam came in here and it took him years to kill the check cashier and it’s just a game mindset that existed. It seeps in quick without the right leadership. Cam essentially acknowledged it when he briefly returned. Carolina IMO has clearly lacked the right in house mentality since Cam, Luke, TD and Greg all left. I think Morgan is right to identity that. I think we are still missing it. New HC ain’t bringing it. QB ain’t bringing it. Morgan got work to do there. Can’t fix that in an offseason though.

I think you example/argument applied entering last season. Both were doubted because of their size, BUT when both were given opportunity to play...they just people up and maximized it. Bryce Young did not do what they did when given the opportunity to. I think the window you are referring to has come and gone. The pre-NFL arrival size talk. That's not the convo given we are talking about actual play and what they showed. So none of that matters anymore. 89/Mills got the opportunity and started proving folks wrong from year 1. More opportunity, the more people continued to look stupid (as in 89). That's not Bryce. Bryce is the opposite, the size questions aren't being proven wrong but reinforced with him to date.

Bryce Young is Eli Manning-ish IMO. I mean, it's not that you can't be successful with a QB wired like that. But Bryce Young doesn't check so many of the textbook boxes you look for. Eli didn't check that box either. Problem is Bryce just doesn't check so many of them. They add up at this level.

he came into the league hurt. he played probably the majority of this career banged up.

if rookie Cam Newton walked into the Panthers org today.....you got to think Bryce Young is the type player Cam would be talking about when he starts talking in house mentality. Just saying. In an offseason fixated on dawg talk, Bryce Young said he spent the offseason doing everything except thinking about football and doing football stuff. Other teams got dudes talking about doing all nighters doing nothing but thinking about the game.