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I largely put that on management of the entire operation. If you asked Joe Burrow to run Lamar Jackson’s O and Burrow then sucks….is that Burrow sucking or the Bengals being clueless with their talent? If we put Thielen on the outside and run go routes all game and he finished with 0 additional catches the rest of the year? Did Thielen get worse or is he be asked to do the wrong thing. This OL was not built nor acquired to run this offense. They don’t fit it nor what they are asked to be each week. So I largely put it on coaching and management. Even if this O is their ideal vision they don’t have the talent for it yet. And they aren’t adjusting to that fact. At all. The OL sucks. They 100% suck. I just think you gotta acknowledge why they suck and it’s a choice the staff made.

Panthers are in a tough spot they billed themselves a plug in a QB and win team. we have been horrid. So let’s say you want argue Bryce isn’t the problem….then you have to identify the problems (and they have to be big ones)….and change them. you basically have to at a bare minimum have to pick Bryce, GM or coaches. I’d love for the sunshine brigade to start addressing where the change is supposed to come from.

really tough seeing CJ Stroud out there setting NFL records without an all star staff and win now FA adds. 470 yards and 5 TDs today. CJ might not be consistent yet but the rookie 100000% shows he has special to him. Bryce was always a high floor low ceiling option. Turns out his floor wasn’t as high as we thought

Finally home from that disaster. it occurred to me today during the game….as a collective O (we have better QB play) but this is a variation 2010. At no point do you think the Panthers can actually attack or challenge anyone. We are a death by a thousand paper cuts O that might get lucky if there is a busted play. So boring and painful to watch.

Every situation is always its owns story though. And Peppers wanted a deal that never came when he wanted it….and then didn’t. Time and minds change.

Just to be clear, the bag he fumbled was the 2 first rounders and then some the Rams offered. I don’t think he should of traded him this past week for what dudes were going for

Point is it happens. At an often enough rate given most of your players you draft aren’t studs to begin with. And not just us. All teams. Every situation is it’s own story. There isn’t one path to why any of it happens. Burns situation is messy enough at this point where IMO you have to concede that can happen. Probably not the most likely. Grossly overpaying him is most likely. But there is also time. And time changes what people think and wants. So next time they talk both could be in different places. Peppers was a mix of that, situation just got to a place Peppers no longer want our check. He didn’t want to play here and be what we wanted out of him. He wanted to play elsewhere at the end. More can happen with this Burns thing the longer it goes. And I do think it’s always relevant when a player has never had a winning season and what that brings into an equation

What did we get for Julius Peppers? What did we get for Star Lotulelei? What did we get for Josh Norman? Those were all elite at the time they walked out the door and we got diddly. And there are plenty of guys that we let play elsewhere too and got nothing in return for them too. Because of management of things we got nothing for Panther HOFers like Steve Smith, Cam Newton, etc. Poorly managed. History matters. It’s why we study it. So you are aware of what has happened and can again. And it’s safe to say, this is already on a rocky pathway. And we aren’t unique. Players walk all the time with teams getting nothing. I mean to deny the possibility of such is well….

2019- Tied with 4 others for 49th in sacks 2020 - T with 6 for 14th in sacks 2021 - T with 8 for 21st in sacks 2022 - T with 3 for 8th sacks 2023 - presently T with 8 for 21st in sacks For a one dimensional pass rusher that sucks against the run….his resume isn’t that strong as an elite specialist. He has only finished 1 season as our are leading sacker as well.

I mean if Burns has a disappointing finish down the stretch and teams know we can’t/aren’t doing a deal….we likely won’t even get a first at that point. Scott Fitterer is the Matt Rhule of GMs. We still got a lot of stuff that stinks in the building. We weren’t that bad just because of Matt Rhule. It’s the scapegoat effect. People always are willing to believe 1 person was the whole problem initially.

my money is still on Burns walking in the end. Panthers look foolish not trading him to Rams. I think they are self aware they largely aren’t well viewed by fans, media, probably know other teams believe they have fleeced them, etc. and I think Burns keeps demanding a number they aren’t comfortable with….and to an extent I think he ensures his way out of a losing franchise by doing that. Because all he has done is lose. So the deal is pay me money to look stupid or I get my way out of here.

Sweat was just got for a 3rd. Young a 2nd. Burns at best would have gone for a singular 1st. Fitt fumbled that bag so hard.

I mean, Chinn really shouldn’t be a blue check. Not saying it’s his fault.

They should feel that way.

I would assume there offers for him would hurt a lot of feelings. Because that Rams offer was once a in decade type theft we could have pulled off.

The guaranteed $ is essentially the negotiation. If they don’t leak that then we really don’t have a clue yet what they offered him though

The existence of guys like Hassan Reddick is what makes paying Burns stomach churning. Reddick is a better overall player and pass rusher. Burns is largely just bringing a sporadic pass rush and little else. I mean it’s great when it’s on. But when it’s not Burns is nothing really to talk about. I can’t think of a single highly paid edge rusher that I would say that about. Not the top 10ish guys.

Is it documented/rumored anywhere what they have actually offered Burns?

Burns cares what they guaranteed $ is. 72 million is really the relevant number

I could see Shipley playing in the NFL. Seems like he would be a good fit as a 3rd down committee RB. I’ve always viewed him as a poor man’s CMC.

True, but Dabo pretty consistently can’t handle anything said. Pros and cons to it. He is going to defend his team to a fault at times.

He is no Etienne. Just reliable do everything pretty good RB. Mafah has run better on the year. He doesn’t do the rest as well.

I’d stay away from Clemson, they are the definition of probably able to beat almost anyone….and lose to almost anyone pending the day.

Mafah is basically 1b to Shipley though. They are different but it’s not really a drop off.

Yep. And if Dabo didn’t love me some me so much….he would get less criticism. Or if he was less thin skinned. Way better coaches get poo from people than Deion Sanders. This Deion is being treated mean narrative is funny in the world of coaches and football.