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I'm referencing discussions that were already had on this board in detail.

Nah, boss, no one is riled up. You simply demanding someone prove to you something and at the same time claiming none of it has ever been discussed. I'll be glad to talk about why I dislike Frank's offense. Let's start with a primary issue and a Frank signature issue. The over usage of the shotgun formation that his O runs out of. And you can go check the % in SD. The % in Indy. And now the % in Carolina. That's Frank. There is thread that has the yearly % on here. Generally speaking, a light % for Frank would be a heavier year for McVay. I mean, if you concede that, we can talk about how Frank runs and passes out of it. In an ideal world, I don't have a problem w/ that given we drafted Bryce Young. I think he needs a scheme that basically over uses it. Problem is, the issues it creates when you don't have the OL talent and skill talent to pull it off. Which we don't. And Frank's teams have struggled to adjust when the talent isn't there to be doing it. Which got him and his O booted 2x already.

Where was the energy the first 6 weeks? When Frank and his poo O were being talked about from preseason to week 6. Now, suddenly this week, you got a problem with me saying what has been said all season? and it's you choosing to paint this lie narrative. I call it PR and bullshit. All teams and coaches do it. That's sports. Another? Claiming this roster was a young QB away from legitimately competing. That was always PR bologna. What else are they going to tell a fanbase that hasn't seen a winning season a half decade and that traded away all of our stud/fan favorites going into this year.... Or these guys are grossly incompetent. Because the talent around the QB is weak and that was talked about this offseason. You pick which one you prefer on that. Blowing smoke or these folks can't see some really basic stuff.

we are undefeated with you banned

just to be clear, that quote was in 2020 when Matt Rhule was hired. He then immediately dumped Cam and signed Teddy Bridgewater. I mean, it's a coach point blank saying something.....that wasn't true. And there are a million examples by coaches, GMs, owners of that. I just picked a random one. The point is simply you can't use the quote of someone in a NFL front office and think that should squash all talk in an internet message board. and yeah, I find it hard to believe any front office in the NFL would have everyone inside their building all with the same thought on Bryce, Stroud, Richardson. They all 3 are too different. I would assume there were different opinions on that #1 overall pick because that would just be the normal thing. Who knows who was where.

Mingo is a raw rookie WR that isn't even coming off a dominant college career. That has always made him a project. I think Mingo while young actually projects best in the role Thielen has locked up.

"I absolutely want Cam here," Rhule said on Tuesday at the NFL scouting combine. "There's no doubt about that." Cam on the streets. NFL teams say all sorts of things. Some true. Some knowingly not true. They aren't in the business of being honest with the masses. And there are a billion examples of it with every team. That's why it's okay for people on a message board to waste time thinking what they want. Because but "so and so said different"......has proven to be an unreliable source. Who knows who wanted Bryce vs Stroud vs Richardson. In the end, they are always going to say they all agreed. You wouldn't want an org to actually be in agreement on every decision.

I argued he didn't build this O on his own from the ground. That's PR fluff. And that's what folks were saying yesterday. That doesn't pass even the most basic eyeball test. They took Frank's core O and installed it. Which makes sense given Frank was going to come in and call plays and Brown has never been an OC. Then have been attempting to tweak it. It sure as heck needs it. But it's largely to date just been vintage Frank's O. That's my only point. With the same problems his O routinely saw in every spot it's been run. To deny that, means to ignore what this football team has done on the field to date. and I have largely championed Brown should of been allowed to do whatever he wanted from day 1 because I don't like Frank's O and Frank sucks calling the O..... and we need way more of the McVay influence. Because on the year, there has been very very little of it. Hopefully we see more and more change and get further away from Frank's bread and butter.

that's the thing. No one has claimed their is zero truth to it. That's what NFL teams do. They use partial truths. They set narratives. Images. etc. I mean, if you want to argue Brown on his own built an offense that just happened to be a clone of Frank's on his own accord then so be it. But what we rolled out this season has been Frank's offense. Are there tweaks to it? Sure. That's what the offensive staff does. And that happens every year in an offense. I'm sure Brown has been busy adding his touches to it. But to deny the core of what the 2023 Panthers have built isn't Frank's offense? That's just denying what is on the field. Because it's the same thing Frank ran in Indy and SD. That's the bulk of what we have seen. Not McVay's O. Not even much of a blend. It's been heavily weighted in one direction. Frank. And it's why people were begging and dreaming when it was announced we would hopefully start to see some of that classic McVay stuff start to show. Statements from NFL teams are fine. Actions matter more. And the 2023 Panthers have been running Frank's core O. Maybe Thomas Brown (the first time OC who wasn't allowed to come in here and call plays) wanted to do that all on his own through no influence of Frank. But that gets hard to believe that he would come from the McVay tree and insist and mimicking so heavily what Frank has done for years. Considering they didn't know each other or have ties.

I call it PR. Crafting narrative and perception. Literally something every company does. Do you think the Panthers tell the public actually what is going on in that building? Do you think any team actually does that. It is just a fact coaches and NFL teams get asked a billion questions and they choose not to give the actual truth. And I'm not even argue they should. No companies really do that. We hired Frank Reich. Who from the jump was going to call plays. And our offense is a clone of what he did in Indy and SD. A literal clone. That comes with a lot of the same problems that popped up in SD and Indy with it. I do believe Thomas Brown when he says his O would be a blend of Frank's and what he did with the Rams. Because it's Frank's offense. That what we have seen with our own eyes. That's not really debatable. And he is tinkering with it. The tinkering is the blend.

I get torn on that. If you don't have the caliber of OL to be dropped back in the shotgun all game, every week......at some point that is coaching/playcalling. there is a reason why the OL looked good last year and bad this year IMO. It was the playcalling and what they were asked to do. Basically Bryce Young fits the shotgun heavy scheme we are doing. The OL and RBs don't. And frankly our WRs don't fit the heavy pass game scheme either. They can't get open and got no speed.

I think Ron and Fox had more energy.

lol, you intentionally don’t seem to be able to acknowledge why Brady was ever discussed between you and I. People like you were scapegoating THE primary problem. Joe Brady wasn’t it. That was always the core of that convo. Firing Brady wouldn’t solve anything. And it didn’t. Proven fact. We actually got worse. I can see it now. You probably watching Nebraska games rooting for Matt Rhule to show us!! Come on Rhule! But it’s always the same. Matt Rhule teams have bad offenses. Because of Matt Rhule. But I’m done talking about your champion Matt Rhule.

I’m at the point where I think the best we can hope for is unpredictable playcalling and smart play within that. reality is, our team is flat out limited in terms of skill talent around the QB. So there is a ceiling of what can realistically hope to see out of this team. scariest part is this front office and staff viewed this roster as good enough coming in and was a QB away. The more time that goes by and the more you watch people break us down….the more it highlights how well Bryce is surviving in a horrible situation. everything for me comes back to needing Fitt out of here. And that highlighting another mistake. We should have fired Fitt with Rhule. Because when we do fire him we get a GM stuck with a retread HC that he probably wouldn’t have wanted.

lot of orgs set narratives publicly that aren't actually the reality of things inside. For a host of reasons. Heck, most isn't fair. Everyone does variations of it. Brown also said during the early PR campaign on Brown when he was hired and wasn't allowed to actually be the full OC that "his" offense would be a blend of what the Rams did and what Frank in Indy did. The one he was going to build from the ground up in a handful of short weeks. And that blend, just happens to be a legit clone of Frank's O. The O Frank and not Brown would be calling.

I mean if Thielen is our #1 option and he treating/viewing him as such.....Thielen isn't a good primary WR by NFL standards.

my guess is he is a QB and has a lot of QB friends....Thielen isn't very popular. As in runs his mouth too much for QBs liking. Aren't there tons of clips of him going off on Cousins in Minny? OR Thielen is just the prettiest ugly chick here. Who we force feed. And we are sort of blinded by the fact he really isn't that good. But he logs our receiving yards between the 20s and is all we have doing it.

I mean, if you look at Luvu's stretch of starts since arriving. It's not Luke. But it's probably better than Beason. Obviously, it's not fair sample size to really make that head to head but Luvu has been dang good.

are they underperforming? or is it more that we just lack talent that matches what we want to do. we were a run centric team last year when they were praised. now we are pass centric. I'd love to see the actual break down of blitz % these dudes are seeing as they sit back in shotgun virtually every snap. Part of the reason they were better last year is their job was just different.

I lost an avatar. But was proven correct about what the bet was about. That Joe Brady wasn't the primary issue. Matt Rhule was. I mean, the Joe Brady window was still the best offensive window the Matt Rhule era ever saw. He was your boogeyman. Matt Rhule and you needed him to be in order for the Matt Rhule charade to keep going. Thankfully Matt Rhule proved me right beyond a shadow of a doubt (well, one doubt it appears is still being clung to lol).

I mean, I called that too. Just a refresher.....you, like Matt Rhule attempted to do, attempted to scapegoat that utter dumpster fire on Joe Brady lol. I told you Joe Brady wasn't the real problem. He was what he was. The real problem the Matt Rhule. Painful to see someone still in a Matt Rhule defender mindset. Which apparently still got you scrambled up lol.

again, you operate under the premise that everything NFL teams and coaches say is true. Well, pending it agrees with your narrative. I don't. NFL teams and coaches have proven to peddle bullshit essentially all the time. They aren't in the business of speaking the truth to the public. They are largely in the business of telling folks what they want you to hear. and then when NFL teams prove to pump out bullshit year round....you then refuse to acknowledge that fact the next time you are lecturing off of what the present Panther PR happens to be. So yeah, if it looks like a duck (SD) and acts like a duck (Indy) then it probably is a duck (Carolina). It's Frank Reich's base offense. Which is why he was set on being in control. That's my stance and it's certainly rooted in sound logic.

That fine. Listen to whoever you want. All I know is, I essentially spoke on and called everything that has been happening this season before the season kicked off. And people didn't like that. That's not true CRA, Fitt said X. Frank said Y!!!! I did the same last year too. That season played out exactly how I said. My batting average is pretty freaking strong of late in terms of this team. Does that make me smart? No. I just don't listen to a NFL team blowing bullshit anymore. And bad franchises spew way more bullshit than good ones. And that bullshit they spew is often the basis of a lot of your lecturing.

Here is what I can do for you....I can find your team saying X and X not ending up being the truth on many occasions. And I can do that for essentially every single NFL team. Again, you some how have opted to selectively remove from this equation what NFL teams have proven to be year after year after year after year after year. I know what Frank's O is. It's what we installed here. My proof of that is in Indy and SD. There also is just flat out common sense being applied there too. And not letting some fluff article from a team that is set on painting an image/idea....trump everything we actually know. I have no idea how much Brown has been involved and the room he has had in tweaking Frank's O. How much power he had then....and how much power he has now that Frank suddenly deemed his offense clicking and in a big enough groove and successful enough to hand over....meanwhile it was 0-6 and one of the worst offenses in the NFL (and clearly NOT what Frank claimed it was when he on his own accord, according to him, decided to hand it over to Brown)