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Such a joke. Fitterer traded away the potential league MVP to draft DJ Johnson lol. CMC probably has more offense than Bruce Young as a RB.

Marty Hurney was a sports writer, turned NFL PR guy, turned admin guy, turned NFL GM. NFL has all sorts of dudes making decisions that are the brainiacs some pimp.

How was Brock Purdy’s brother 3rd on Matt Rhule’s depth chart all season??

Titans have a superior RB and a superior WR. They also have almost double the amount of big offensive plays. their rookie, while not good, can make every throw and threatens the entire field

A distraction. To appease an angry and disinterested fanbase.

Is this the thread people are going to bump when Nuk Hopkins goes for 150 on us and all the “see we should have signed him” people post?

Small ball isn’t a made up concept lol. Dink and dunk. It’s has lots of names. We play and a shrunken version of football. Can it be done? Sure. It’s can even be done at an elite level. Tom Brady spent many years playing elite small ball. Sometimes behind a bad OL. It’s why his top receivers several years in a row were a real slot WR and a pass catching RB. But Edelman, White, etc actually fit that game. Leading 2 receivers back to back years for him. Thielen is just force feed. It’s why the 2nd most productive WR on Sundays is now consistently only generating about 10 yards of offense. It’s why we can barely score 10 points and ONE of the reasons we have the worst pass attack in the NFL. He has stats that are a byproduct of their entire pass game being forced to him. He doesn’t actually have the skill set needed to be what he is asked to be on this offense. He is slow. He can’t get his routes run fast enough. That kills plays. When he does get his hands on the ball he has zero separation and when a miracle happens and he does he has no YAC ability. Adam Theilen doesn’t have the skill set needed for the role . Does he catch balls and is he the best WR we have on the team? Yes.

Bryce Young was clearly coming into the season going to be a shotgun heavy, pass heavy and a certified small ball QB. That was talked about coming in. Playing 20 yards of the field. That’s it. Everyone knows it. That’s what we do. Every opponent knows this as well. that is exactly what he has been. That’s the setup. That’s the design of what Frank is calling and has been out of the gate. he doesn’t have small ball weapons. Zero. That’s being setup to fail. A small ball offense with no working parts at the skill position. Then obviously there are tons of other reasons why we suck added on top. Frank is bad and can’t adjust to not having the parts. OL is a joke in this scheme. Sanders and Hubbard aren’t small ball RBs. They are early down runners. They suck in pass pro. There routes suck. It’s often highlighted on QB School. Theilen isn’t a slot small ball WR. Chark isn’t a small ball WR. Mingo might could be in theory but was raw coming in and frankly shouldn’t be on the field right now with that horrific route running. It’s why when you watch QB School…..he destroys everyone running routes. They can’t get to where they need to be in time. Everyone is too slow in the routes and running them poorly. Theilen is the prettiest ugly chick and we overplay him as result. He can’t get to his spot quick enough. When he gets there he is smothered and if by some miracle he gets open he has zero YAC ability. And QB School isn’t making these points and now being echoed….all that was called before week 1 kicked off.

The actual argument we are having is Fitt is a horrible GM and should be fired. The board universally agrees with that. It’s basically you that doesn’t. #winninginyoureyes

electro said Fitt is garbage and needs to be sent packing

it’s simple. The point: Scott Fitterer is a bad GM who shouldn’t be here. We have a bad front office. Mr Scott disagrees with that point. so we dance in a pointless circle on that from thread to thread because Scott Fitterer does have a defender here. I big defender *Miles Sanders and Hubbard don’t fit a Bryce Young/Frank collab. There are threads and threads where that was discussed entering the season. They are early down runners. We were going to be living in the gun and pass heavy. We needed to prioritize 3rd down style RB. Pass pro. Route running. And you cans go watch QB school or whoever and watch folks highlight the poo routes, pass pro, etc by them all over the place. Thielen doesn’t actually work. We force feed our entire pass game to him. So he has empty stats on a sheet. He doesn’t have the skill set to actually be in the slot role he is in at this point. Chark was always pointless. He is a one trick pony and that trick wasn’t going to be part of the act. Bryce was going to be playing 20 yards of the field and small ball. Chark doesn’t run the routes well Bryce would need. Said coming in, Bryce 100% needed small ball skill talent. That’s what we would be doing. It was painfully obvious. He doesn’t have a single player for it. Again, those QB School breakdowns just echo this too. How all the routes are slow. It’s not even just Theilen. He gets the most heat because we put our pass game through him. It’s a painful marriage on every level. There was no real vision or plan and we are seeing the results.

I mean, not much of an argument is needed what I argue these days. Scott Fitterer is a bad GM. There is only really one human on this vast board that is going to take great issue with such. Frank Reich isn't a good coach. Tepper is bad owner who hires poorly (see Rhule, Frank, Fitt) We did a poor job this offseason in terms of adding talent for what Bryce/Frank would be doing. It's largely Frank's O we are running. Carolina Panthers are a bad football that team that sells and spouts a bunch of bologna to the masses. Because that's what bad teams do. There declarations don't mean much so don't carry a lot of weight in arguments. And they have proven that. Only you take issue with these "extreme" takes lol. The reason I have been right about so much the past couple years about what is going to happen (and it largely has played out how I called it)....is because my takes are boring. Last 2 seasons have played out almost exactly as I called them. Babe Ruthing it. There is no homerism in them anymore. The bad here is painfully obvious. Happy Thanksgiving.

I mean, I think Frank "approved" of Bryce Young. You can look at that a bunch of ways. I mean, Frank's O cupboard was also bone dry. Fitterer got him bodies. That's Fitterer's job. I don't think a retread fired Frank Reich off Rhule is slinging a lot of weight in Carolina. They just had that experiment. Sheepish Frank early on in the season has pretty much confirmed that IMO when he gives insights to how he is being treated by this front office. I think the Panthers, not Frank, have made a lot of decisions that Frank has "approved". Frank Reich doesn't look and sound very happy with his employment. that's just my gut take of how things are in an overcorrection Carolina after Rhule. I mean, no matter who you want to spin it....end of the day, this front office is making moves that don't align with what the O wants to do. Which is a massive red flag in any org. And Frank came out the gate hard being a 180 from Wilks. Fitterer didn't know that? Or he did? Some are bending over backwards for Fitt. End of the day, no matter how you might defend or deflect for Fitt.....he ends up being either being a pointless yes man to every human he encounters or he is just a bad GM. There just is no argument for him to be here. There isn't a positive. He is either making bad decisions or he can't stop his all powerful HCs from making them (and no one is buying Frank is that)

Fitterer continued to build a roster for an offense that wasn't suited or catered to what Frank/Young would be doing this year and would want to do in the future going forward. You intentionally attempt to not comprehend that. Because it highlights how inept Scott Fitterer is. How dysfunctional our front office and Fitterer CONTINUES to be post Rhule. What you are doing is simple and easy to understand. Real extreme lol. I mean, frankly I go back and forth with you because I find it fun. It's not about winning a debate. No one can convince you of anything. I'm under no illusion of that.

They hired Frank. Who does what he does. They then gave him Bryce. and then they went out and spent money on free agents that made no sense for what Frank/Bryce would be doing. You keep skipping past this part. Which was talked about leading up to the season. Folks here could see how things weren't in sync with what this front office was doing......It was pointed out then. Folks like you didn't want to here it then. Definitely not now that it has played out as we warned. Meanwhile in la la land your boy Fitterer was talking about never drafting in the top 10 again, competing now, all star staff, etc. Fitterer doesn't just have faults. He has no positives in Carolina.

again, no one is suggesting Fitterer could of overhauled the entire roster.....which is an argument used in that post of why he should get a pass. Fact is, what he did this offseason, in no way was building toward what Frank/Bryce would be doing/wanting. That's on Fitterer. Which was discussed by many in great length before the season started. The disconnect in what he was adding vs what Frank would be doing with Bryce. Which has 100% played out as those of us that argued it said it would. There remains zero evidence Matt Rhule's old GM who is on his own timetable (that too discussed this offseason)......is in sync with what this staff would be doing this year with Bryce Young. it's just more odd mental gymnastics to defend Fitterer. Who has done nothing but be very bad as a GM (with a new excuses every year for what it is all someone else's fault).

this front office hired Frank Reich to come in here. Frank Reich is what he is. the biggest failure is on the front office. Who then spent all offseason knowing Frank would be implementing a Reich offense and was being given Bryce Young to be the QB out of the gate. Frank not adapting to not having the parts once he saw his product is a Frank issue. It in no way shape or form should be giving Fitterer and this front office any cover. They couldn't revamp the entire roster in an offseason but that doesn't then excuse the disaster management of the roster they did do. There is crazy marriage of parts that don't mesh going on here on a multitude of levels. No actions suggest this HC and this front office have been on the same page and sharing the same vision. And it gets more clear that Fitterer should of been tossed in the trash when Rhule was. Tepper keeping him into this next era was another Tepper blunder.

I love how you are on board with Tepper being this all powerful evil dictator in control of all things and meddling in every aspect of this team.....unless it is something you haven't suggested lol. And then.... it total fan fiction unlike your musings. There is little to suggest Frank Reich picked this QB. There is little to suggest Frank Reich had full say in this staff and how things would be constructed. There is little evidence that Frank Reich dictated all of the players acquisitions and that they were guys he sought/wanted. Tepper and Fitterer are horrific. They are primary issue in Carolina. Frank is a garbage HC and that it's own separate issue.

I've said for years, the Panthers are pure investment and diversification for Tepper. Sports franchise have proven to be a great place for the uber wealthy to diversify and grow their wealth. That is why Tepper is here. The actual football team? That's just the toy/fun bonus of it.

yes, I think Tepper insisted Frank have old heads to oversee all the random parts Tepper/Fitt mashed together. It jives with Teppers 180 vision post Rhule. Not wanting, as in not Frank's idea/vision but Teppers. Tepper and your boy Fitt....orchestrated a complete poo show. Nothing meshes. Nothing fits. That's where our problems start at this point. Tepper. Then Fitt. Then Frank.

it's another reason I think Frank is a poor coach. Not just because he isn't adjusting to the obvious but there is zero accountability. you shouldn't trash your players....but you can't get on a microphone and tell outlandish lies. Frank Reich does that. He does that with Mingo. Reporters will ask legit questions about painfully obvious issues, and he says probably greater BS than Matt Rhule. for some reason since Frank is old, boring, and "experienced"....his complete nonsense hasn't been highlighted like Rhule's was. It's every bit as bad.

He wasn’t expected to magically transform the roster overnight ….but with the hiring of Frank and move to acquire Bryce….he needed to start making real moves to cater toward the development of Bryce and suiting the new scheme and identity. His FA moves were horrible pending what Carolina’s new direction was. And his one big offensive draft pick IMO wasn’t ideal either for the new offense and Bryce. Mingo isn’t the route runner or dependable enough to be on the field and such a key part yet….but we got Miles Sanders was essentially an add for an offense we weren’t running. Chark and Theilen too. I really think Tepper has employed a cast of parts that don’t fit and forced them together. Then the icing on the cake was giving his new HC a QB he didn’t really want. And I think a lot of that is Fitt too. Dave isn’t creating all this on his own. I think it’s the GM selling him on some of these ideas. I don’t think Frank and Fitt work. I don’t think Frank and Bryce work. I frankly don’t think Frank probably even wanted Caldwell and Capers. That seems like a Dave trying over correct. He had no experience and then wanted an abundance. Even the the Brown and Evero hires don’t fit the mold of a retread like Frank. They generally go to the pool and tree/family of guys they know and have a history with for the common vision aspect. Then the Rhule holdovers on staff. I think Dave Tepper just took a bunch of random parts and names and mashed them together…..and that’s at least how we look as well.

Whose taking credit for whose work? I’m sorry you invested so much of your internet street cred in praising and building up Fitterer and can’t deal with the fact he sucks. It’s ok. No one actually cares you are wrong but you.