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Yeah, people are taking this leader of men tagline and distorting things a bit though. I'm talking locker room and culture. Josh McDaniel knows a lot more about modern day offense than those 2. Josh McDaniel is a joke coach overall compared to folks like Ron/Fox. You know who is a culture/locker room guy? The guy that replaced McDaniels in season. It matters. Saw the same thing here with Wilks taking over from Rhule. And that just a tiny window of it applying. Years of it back to back matters. Ron is everyone favorite whipping boy but I'd argue Ron embraced playing to people strengths. I think his biggest issue was game management and GM/incomplete rosters. Cam Newton wasn't going to be Cam Newton everywhere. People blast Ron for catering to Cam's strengths. But Ron created an environment where that was encouraged and watered. I'd say the majority of NFL coaches would have stunted Cam Newton's success and tried to "fix him". He wouldn't of been special. And his career in reality wasn't cut short by "running him into the ground". Cam can still do that today. Ron also had a lot of talent that wasn't inherited. Cam became league MVP. Luke became DPOY. Greg Olsen became a top tier TE. Guys like Norman, Star, etc. developed into top guys at their position. I think more than anything....the Ron and Fox era should be mostly defined by the lack of a good GM being paired with them. They were strong defensive minded HCs and coached that way. Good culture. Tough teams. Not great X and O guys offensively but that's not what they were. Not really me preference but it wasn't a losing formula. I think the lack of pairing them with a good GM was the real blunder.

Jags are one the best in the NFL at 2 things. Applying QB pressure and taking the ball away. Even when our offense is "working" like last week...it's pretty painful looking. Which means it's going to be hard for them to replicate success. Maybe I'm wrong. I just got no confidence they can hold up vs a problematic defensive front. Lot of it is just the O itself. Lot remains easy on a D IMO. There still isn't a lot of stress. Only game weren't essentially playing 20 yards was the Saints game and it went very bad.

it will be interesting to see how the McDaniel's style plays out over a period of time though. Especially as more time goes by on his O approach and film is out there. I mean, it's pretty cool to watch them vs bad teams. Especially with Hill. But I wonder how his team looks over the long term and if what he has sells during the highs and lows over time. He is sort of a unicorn at this level. Matt Rhule was never a leader of men type coach. I don't care what the PR was. At no point does he have that on his resume.

Doesn't help 89 that his career really spilled into 2 different eras. Lot of WRs that he played with essentially played their entire career in the true passing era. A featured WR in that era should just have better stats no matter how you look at it.

largely. I'd argue QB still matters more than your HC. It's the most important puzzle piece.

yeah, if Peppers doesn't make it this first trip......then first ballot HOFers don't really exist and it's all politics.

I don't disagree, that's why I included the GM hire with the HC. Every org needs that in house stuff. It matters. It's a huge weakness for us. It's got to come from somewhere in the future for us. Just hiring a some young hot shot HC isn't some auto fix the mess Tepper has created in Carolina.

Peppers makes the cut in his first run. Gates is the other first timer making the cut. Absent is our very own 89.....despite a rather lengthy WR group making the cut. Jared Allen makes the cut again and has Panther ties. Got to think Peppers is going to keep him from advancing out of this finalist round. Finalists for Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2024 revealed (nfl.com) WRs making the cut: Holt, Wayne, Andre Johnson, and Hester*. Hester obviously largely as a returner. Andre Johnson I think is the one I take biggest issue with. I think 89 was better than all of them but Johnson doesn't have a ring as a the default reason of why he would be in ahead of 89. Got to think this is the window 89 likely pays for being an a-hole and we are seeing Johnson making the finals for the 2nd year in a row.

I just think our problems are still our problems. Confidence isn't going to fix the fact our O really can't survive vs a tough D front. I mean, I think Chark/Bryce combo probably has a little more confidence. Maybe he is willing to put it out there more for him. But I think the last 2 weeks have made people forget how bad some of our issues really are. It's still football though. Jags could implode offensively with a hurt QB and the whole 3 phases thing play out. With our D making some big plays. I just don't have confidence this team can beat anyone. It's a still a very predictable and bad game we are playing on O.

in house culture, work environment, accountability is a real thing though that matters. I think ours is weak and has a lot to do with our hires at HC and GM. lot of good X and O guys have proven to be weak in that area. I think you got to have both from top.

I mean, it should be a prerequisite that all coaches have. But they don't. We have seen that here. and it's not just about "leading" and someone that people will listen to. it about building a proper culture in house. And that's not a default either all hires have. Lot of bad coaches. Lot of guys that got no clue what a successful NFL culture is and looks like. Lot of guys try to rip off others and that doesn't work either. How many guys have attempted to ripoff Belichick's Patriot way for example. But some of the culture is GM related. It's not just talent. You got to add the right talent and pieces. You can't have 53 DJ Moore personality types. You can't have 53 Steve Smith personality types. We have really blundered in that department of late. What players make up our present day culture? Generally folks will just name the best players and assume they lead the right way from within. A good coach can help the right players develop. Not just talking on the field. I think that has been a huge issue for us of late too.

I'd argue the opposite. An established team needs someone to put them over the top with great Xs and Os, playing calling, etc. Which is what we needed coming off Ron/Fox. A dumpster fire needs a leader of men to right the ship. Build a respectable culture/locker room. We have gone backwards under Tepper.

when we were ready to move on from Ron Rivera....I wanted a Ben Johnson type. That's what the NFL now is. However, given what Tepper has done to the franchise post Ron.....we now are in need of a Fox/Ron type once again IMO. We are a dumpster fire.

I think a weird downpour rain game and an almost tie vs a meh GB team has got some thinking things they probably shouldn't about this team. Jags D should make this team look like the 10 point offense we actually are.

but we need to fire Fitt ASAP. Otherwise, there are odds 2024 is going to be a bunch of PR featuring... Panthers Country, Let's Ride!

I mean, I wouldn't call Brees basic. I don't think Payton likes Russell's fake persona and bologna (that's how I see it at least). He walked into Denver and basically told Wilson to stop being whatever he is. He was always annoyed with Wilson from day 1. Probably the contrast in what Wilson is selling vs Payton. It's not about play. Wilson has been playing well. I think Brees essentially was an echo of Payton's vision and leadership. Russell brings his own style that is just unique to him. Which I can get people just not liking Wilson. He might not be but he does come off as fake and annoying.

maybe, but Payton walked in that building being against Wilson's whole schtick.

this is about money....and the fact Sean Payton just straight up doesn't like Wilson and ready to move on.

Lawerence has a hurt knee, ankle, and throwing shoulder....and with his bell rung mixed in. I think if the Jags play him we might have a chance because he frankly shouldn't of seen the field the last couple of weeks. Talk about not taking care of your QB. But the Jags run D is much better than ours. So they should win on that matchup alone. I think this is a get right game for Etienne. They have played some tougher run defenses since their bye week. If the dude sees space.....he is a problem.

they free agents he did hit on in large part....he wanted no part in keeping. Gilmore should be here instead of Jackson IMO. And you should of made money talk with Reddick. Paying him more than Philly still would have made him comically cheap for an elite pass rusher. Fitt lucked into Luvu and that is countered by 154678 bad moves.

being a dick only is tolerable if you happen to be winning rings at a high clip. if you aren't, you are just a dick and people ain't got much time for that. heck, winning isn't enough. See Harbaugh in SF.

KC's offense isn't as good because they lost Tyreek Hill. Put him back on it, KC is a nightmare. All they are is an aging Kelce offense now. WRs are garbage.

This. Tepper can pay the next dude a billion dollars for all I care. That money doesn't impact anything.

HCs should be able to hire their own staff. People they work well with and are bought into the same vision. Generally speaking. That's the ideal approach. You can find exceptions to anything. We just went through a cycle with the owner/GM dictating a lot of what Frank's world would look like. Game of Thrones I think was the reporting of how that went. But yeah, let's keep doing the same thing.

that's not the same thing though. Fangio wasn't a carryover.