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Well, if everyone is watching it sounds like an easy call…. go pay and sign Brown and Luvu first and foremost. Go lock up what has been our best players on the D. Seems like players here are far would respect that.

Kyler Murray plays with a more confident arm. But Murray still has to live in the shotgun. I think everything goes back to the physical tools for Bryce. Lot of QBs got trash footwork in today's NFL vs prior eras IMO because of the tendency of more off script and playground ball being encouraged and allowed.

to an extent, you can't really overly worry about that with Bryce. At his size, he isn't going to be able to play textbook traditional QB in the NFL.

The same thing most recent hires by Tepper do.

Wouldn’t say easily. Potentially. Sweat was the last edge player in a trade that is a relative same tier comp and he went for a 2nd

exactly. Bryce represents something that is ALMOST unseen in the NFL. When compared amongst the tiny fraction of short kings.....he is the tiniest of them all. It was always clear he had the smallest ceiling of all the guys in the last draft. That was even a majority opinion here. Panthers org has just been desperate. Drafting Young is one thing....giving up so much for such an outlier and gamble? Just insane really if you are just playing odds. * i still think Bryce could be decent in a good situation. But that, is pretty much available every year for cheap in FA. Lot of guys on the bench would look good in great spots.

I mean, they don't really have a choice in that matter. They traded 2 first and DJ Moore for him. Even if you are certain he is a bust.....there is literally no choice but to give him a year 2.

2 of 94 are 5'10.

gonna tell my kids this is Tepper, Nicole and Bryce.

Yeah, statistically, Bryce is still an anomaly at the position. Murray is another. since 1970, only 30 of the 522 QBs drafted have been 6 ft or shorter. Most of that 30 number isn't 5'10 guys. and Kyler and most other short kings are heavier and better built. Bryce is small amongst the small. It's really crazy when you think about drafting him #1 and giving up a bunch of stuff on top of it.

0 QBs are shorter than Bryce Young in today's NFL. Young is probably the tiniest overall prospect in the last 50 years when you factor in weight to it. He is an outlier. It's like thinking you could hit 2 lotto picks back to back. It's getting your 1st round pick to hit AND then thinking you can get it to hit being an anomaly.

Wilson isn’t coming here to be the #2. So it’s not much of a worry.

Panthers wanted to talk about Brees and this deep dive into Brees analytics. They should have paid attention to all the Pro Bowl and All Pros Brees had on the OL. Brees probably had the best interior OL play in the NFL during his prime years.

meh, they should. They should also do everything else too IMO. if a team wants to poorly judge the importance of something vs someone else.....that's just on them.

I mean, Cam literally rewrote the NFL rookie record book from top to bottom in 2011. That's not what you would circle as a year Cam wasn't getting things done. if I had to make a list of some of the worst officiated games in Panther history....2 of those are Cam playoff games. I mean, if Cam Newton had been officiated like any other QB of his era was.....his record and success on paper would have most likely been very different. I mean, I don't think he makes the HOF because he was never treated normal in any way shape or form from the moment he emerged at Auburn. Cam IMO is the clear cut #1 overall Panther of all time IMO if you take everything he did and meant into the equation. Luke should be a first ballot. He won't be most likely. But he is the best technical player in franchise history. And Luke has the best case to get in to date now that Peppers is off the board. Jumping 89 IMO.

end of the day though, out of the pushing 30 years that this franchise has existed....the healthy Cam window was and remains the peak of the Panthers.

I mean, ST is getting less relevant as the league is phasing it out but.... I've never bought that argument about not using guys on ST in big moments. 89 can be out there run blocking up 10 in the 4th or out there down 20 in the 4th......but lord forbid he risk injury of returning a punt in a close/big game. 89 didn't want to do it. So he quit. I mean, there are plenty of already gold jacket wearing HOFers whose careers overlapped 89s..... still trotted out there for ST from Ed Reed to Deion Sanders to Tim Brown to Rod Woodson. Then you got the league of not in the HOF but great with guys like Edlemen, Welker, Antonio Brown, Tyreek Hill etc.

Vick and Cam Newton present 2 completely different threats to an opposing defense. They aren't comparable players. They are very different problems to solve for a D. Cam is a unicorn in terms of how he ran, how he was used, and what it took to stop it. it's not just the read option. It's the RPO and the complete normalization of the college football schemes and play into the NFL. NFL teams finally embracing building around the college player vs trying to recreate them into dudes that fit existing pro systems. Cam was really the lead in that regard IMO. And the media, almost from the jump wanted to start crediting everyone that followed him for swaying the NFL in that direction.

I mean, Cam is a unicorn as a runner in the NFL. There has been no one else like him in modern history in terms of how he ran and the threat he presented to opposing defenses. and in terms of impact, Cam IMO was the true start of the normalization of the college read option and the league moving to schemes that fit what college QBs do well.

Cam IMO deserves it. Unicorn/impact IMO would be why I put him over and in. Will he actually get in? Very doubtful. The media has never fairly told the story of Cam Newton. And there is no argument for him getting in without it acknowledged.

That wasn't me. And Steve Smith didn't just punch 1 teammate in 2004. Now we doing revisionist history. You don't think sports writers/media/insiders/etc that have covered the NFL for years......think Steve Smith was an a hole? I mean, agree to disagree. Whose perception are you talking about? Random fans of other teams aren't voting. You can go look at who votes. I'm just arguing it likely impacts things. We have seen that in this sport and other sports when it comes down to voters. I don't care to argue what should or shouldn't matter in voting. Heck, I think a lot of folks that work in the media today with and around him likely see it too. He has been on live TV in retirement as a professional....and clowned folks and been a jerk. And Panthers fans just giggle in embrace it. Which is fine. He can be our loveable a hole. That's sports. Fans like that stuff. Lot of people love that aspect about 89. Other fans too. Lot of people like rooting for people that are a holes because it's entertaining to them. But he without questions was one. It's always been weird to me when select Panther fans simply can't accept that basic fact being acknowledged about 89. I mean, an example just was laid out and there are tons of older examples involving others..... Andre Johnson getting farther than 89. That didn't happen because of what Johnson can do on a football field vs 89. That happened because of who they were as people in the game of football. It matters. It's always mattered. Should it? That I'm not debating. You tell me why Andre Johnson is ahead of 89.

Took TO years to get in. reality is, Steve Smith is an a hole. Got to think that is going to factor given the people that vote. He has massive jerk as a player. He assaulted a bunch of people on top of that. I get he is our lovable a hole. But it won’t be a shock if it takes someone with his personality and history longer than others floating around in the same tier to get in.

Teams almost always fail with the tweeners that have no real positional home at the NFL level. Think Isaiah Simmons was the same draft class. One to the best defenders in college football as an everything freelancer. Team that drafted him already traded him. And he was a top 10 pick. Think it’s time. Chinn hasn’t had a role with the last several DCs.

Luke 100% should be a first ballot HOF BUT he won’t be. Patrick Willis got in on his 5th year of eligibility. 3rd year as a nominee. Inside LB is what it is in today’s game, the position itself is going to work against him IMO.