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I think we should draft talent that hopefully can see the field and help this year. That’s WR, rec RB and TE. A rookie C likely only sees the field if things go bad….

I will say this, you see CJ a lot on podcast and stuff like that this offseason ….he eats and breaths football and carries himself with that QB alpha attitude. Real student of the game and players. Instantly trying to build with new guys they sign. He also is annoyingly loyal to his guys on the podcasts. Meanwhile, Panthers are spinning Bryce being by himself, binging TV and wanting nothing to do with football as good. I mean, I still think Bryce can reach a decent level of success in the right spot. The org will make or break Bryce.….but it’s get hard to see how this team went in the direction they went given the choices. Would to have loved to of seen how they solved that internal discussion/debate they were having on the 2.

Is there any evidence Dalton is actually a good vet to have around young QB? I mean just because you were a decent starter doesn’t make you an ideal vet mentor. I still think we needed to change things up more given what a trainwreck last season was

I mean, Bryce’s arm is what it is. I don’t see us solving anything by telling him he needs to throw with more oomph. You can’t really coach him into much more of a stronger arm. You aren’t to solve some of his limitations in traditional pocket either. we need a good creative scheme with actual playmakers….and frankly for him to be a dink and dunk PG. That’s his game. Accept what you drafted. Not saying he can’t take a shot here and there but that’s not what he is.

I doubt you can change that much in a handful of weeks. Bryce is largely what he is going to be I would think. Especially, when it comes to play breaking down instincts that got him to the NFL. Think you fix Bryce by giving him a good scheme with open playmakers to go to dish to. He doesn’t have the tools to play in a mess.

relax, CJ Stroud has no idea what happened in the last season of Stranger Things. Bryce was binging Netflix. He probably was figuring out whatever magical powers that bald headed girl has. Point guard. Dog. Leader. Buzzwords.

i'm just ready for the draft. tired of the this is who we should draft threads looking forward to the WTF are you doing threads. or the check out this highlight I just found of this player I never heard of before we just drafted, that is 100% going to be Steve Smith part deux or Luke Kuechly reborn. Sprinkle in some I'm done with this team or call me crazy but I think we can the make the playoffs, you got to think of the division we are in ones.

we need pass catchers that actually fit what Bryce Young is going to do with the ball in an offense that fits him. and we have glaring holes all over the roster in that regard. Not just at WR. and just about the entire cast around him essentially expires after this season. year 1 - new to NFL year 2 - new O, new OC, new HC year 3 if things go great - entirely new skill players(but Mingo) most likely if things go well for Bryce I've never run a NFL team, but that doesn't seem what you should be doing w/ a dude you just drafted #1 overall.

Leggette just seems like a straight up country kid and a good dude. Think a man just straight up said ABC and he we was like awesome. I mean, many of these are just straight kids and think like kids. He probably not even thinking about draft gamesmanship of different front offices and all that. We have seen in the past drafts after the fact a lot of these kids 100% take what these teams tell them as the truth. Because there have been a lot of dudes that have hung onto it not playing out like promised. Local boy. Went to his local college. Grinded. Local NFL team then says they are going to draft him. I get him being excited.

I think Canales probably just straight up told Leggette that. That happens all the time. Canales just doing what literally every coach would be forced to do if a player right before the draft went to the media and said it. That, almost never happens.

positionally he sort of his the first 3 picks though. QB, WR, Edge is what we did.

ISM is just a body. We were his 3rd team in 3 years and he hasn't done anything. basically, it's Theilen, Johnson, and Mingo. Everyone else could go and it just be business. I mean, technically we got 8 WRs under contact I think right now. I guess there is a question on David Moore, I'm not sure if all the info is up on the salary sites. But it looks like they could even cut if they wanted to. It doesn't look like he has any guaranteed money.

yeah, all I know is occasionally I guess the first round pick right for us. Outside of that, I might of guessed 2 out of hundred other picks. my surprise guess at this point, is Morgan shows his personal touch in this draft and valuing a position in way we didn't think of. So my guess on that is a DT is going to pop up at a spot no one saw coming. Everyone talking Edge, LB, and CB. They always seem to surprise us somewhere.

well, we know generally.....we are going to end up missing on most of the guys we draft in reality. Draft history says that. Ours certainly does. That's why I like the WR double dip in a great WR draft class. Increases your odds of hitting on something that eventually works out. and we don't have a first day pick. as he said, day 2 and day 3 is often WR gold. I still think top of round 2 is just a sweet spot for WR. I think those hit rates are skewed. C has a good first round hit rate.....because you rarely see any C ever drafted in the first round because of how the league values it. So it's almost can't miss super studs twisting folks arms to have to take them.

I echo this, but I'm fine mixing up the order outside the top 2. but I think overall, the Panthers draft will end up throwing us a bit of a curve ball somewhere. I think they always do that in the end. So I'm out here stanning hard for my boy Will Shipley, the poor man's CMC Bryce so desperately needs.....they end up going DT. I don't think any of the mocks we are doing here really includes fans going DT. Instead of Shipley breaking the anti-Clemson streak it will be something like DT Ruke Orhorhora. Panthers had visits with a couple DTs too. I believe Ruke was one. The signature of the Morgan era was the Panthers being good on the DL. Morgan could value line play way more than we think.

I can tolerate Worthy. But I'll be mad if his teammate is there and they pick Worthy over Mitchell.

zooming out though? We had THE worst offense in the NFL. Improving on the O is a bigger need than improving on the D. And you have legit D coach in Carolina that likely can do more via scheme than reliance on individuals. We don't have the same type proven coaching in the O side.

Dude walked out of OU as a freshman because the coach wouldn't give him the job over a kid projected at the time to be a 1st round draft pick. He is acting like an elementary school kid crying in his momma's lap on field after their 2nd loss this year. some of his teammates seemed to be glad he was gone in that Bowl game. then you can basically listen to any casual interview he does like with The Pivot or whatever, dude seems just a mess IMO. Hard to actually listen to that dude and think he will mesh with grown NFL men. Pivot guys seemed hard pressed to bite their tongues at times to his utter nonsense. I just have never seen it with this kid. He put up some numbers in the PAC12. He won 1 random bowl game in college. I just don't buy folks trying to sell him as better prospect than Burrow, Trevor, etc. like they try. I'm definitely a Caleb hater. Too many likeable folks to pull for IMO. He ain't one.

Leggette is 6'1 and Coleman is 6'3. Leggette has a better vertical jump and IMO is the better athlete. Which is why Leggette had better numbers with contested balls by a fair margin. Like I said, I get not liking Leggette. I just don't get disliking Leggette and wanting Coleman.

Us: Maybe we are playing 4D chess Likely the reality of the Tepper front office:

true, but to date it is what it is. Looks comically bad. But if Bryce doesn't develop and Caleb busts.....the trade still looks like the Panthers manage assets like clowns.

Bryce is pretty risk adverse and leans toward being a dink and dunker. Which means your O isn't going to threaten dudes without YAC players. Change the DNA of the QB, the highs get higher and the lows get lower. It's why Bryce just had 10 picks on the year.

I mean you only can devote so much time to the worst team in professional sports….its bad business. But the jabs and low blows will always be there.