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yeah, I think the value is better elsewhere where our picks are elsewhere. I want them to just sign Gilmore and rent him and maybe take a swing at that CFL DB late in the draft.

True, but I think us occupying this no mans land in terms of trying to be this weird building but win now nothing team.....has been our biggest flaw the past several years. We tried to be that last year. The last several before that. I mean, Carolina literally claimed they drafted him to work the slot. He was heavy slot guy overall in college. Life on the outside is harder. And then we wonder why Mingo struggled so much as a rookie. What would have been the worst case scenario by developing him as we said we intended? We would have been the exact same team. The whole season was basically this Adam Theilen snooze fest. Which in the end, served no point. I think Theilen has to occupy the slot less. There is a cost IMO of him being there with his high floor.

I think the talent at the top of the 2nd where our 39th pick is really good. I hope they just take someone there. I hate the water down approach for more players.

I need XL to get on that Jimmy Clausen app where he gave Matt Rhule a pep talk....and have XL give me an "oh wee mayne" to use her for the next decade when appropriate.

Theilen really doesn't need to be here. Wish they would trade him to win now team that could use a savy vet on key passing downs. He occupies a spot we a really should be using to help develop young players at.

he stands out when I see him on the field. I'm like, who is that guy we just picked up.

IMO Mingo really needed to be in and developing in the slot. Carolina drafted Mingo. Bragged about him being a slot weapon. Low ceiling Thielen sort of messes things up by having his high floor as savy old vet that takes up all those reps.

I don't know. Tepper actually is aggressive and willing to change things and his approach up rapidly by traditional sports standards. I know we are living life in the gutter but....you got to think, eventually, he has decent odds of lucking into something that works given he is willing to change so often and down different paths.

yeah, but I don't think this narrative of everyone is forced to fix Bryce Young or be fired narrative is supported by what we know of Tepper. So if Bryce sucks again....we fire Canales and hire a 3rd coach for Bryce? Tepper moves on quick. That's the Tepper way. If Bryce can't get it done this year and shows no growth and promise? I think what we know of Tepper, Tepper moves on from Bryce. Not Canales pending Canales is showing good.

well, then we will continue to be a poorly run and dysfunctional org IMO. I think it's poorly run org.....that you would tie someone's hands and careers to the mistakes and decisions of people you fired before them. You hired them to come in and create something that works. That generally would mean, throwing in the garbage many things the last group did. But yeah, this year? Canales is supposed to try to save the investment the guys that just got fired made. I mean, Bryce simply put could be a good college quarterback that the folks that just got fired incorrectly picked. Everyone good in college isn't going to be a good NFL player. Bryce Young is an an anomaly and unicorn at the position at this level. That generally ends up being a really good or bad thing. But again, Bryce in his own words after a dismal rookie season...said he spent the offseason away from football. Alone and binging you tube and netflix. That doesn't sound anything like the QBs that have turned into great NFL QBs. I hope for the best. But if Bryce repeats last season? They 100% should move on. You want to force us into a year 3 just because or fire Canales because Bryce isn't a NFL QB?

Canales also didn’t draft the anomaly QB. I wanted Leggette and at the same time I don’t think he is a great pairing for Bryce. Outside of the old college try because he has to this year….Canales shouldn’t be overly tied to Bryce and I don’t think should be pigeon holed into building a team/future that caters to a guy he didn’t draft.

yeah, I think that side sort of emerged at the end of the prior year too and just stuck. The Gamecock game specifically. Didn't he have to apologize for saying too much after Dabo botched that one on trick plays, abandoning a run they couldn't stop and stuff? But I mean, I think he was right. Not that you want your player saying the correct thing publicly lol. Think he just got frustrated Clemson could of won more games than they did....if it was just about that and not trying to develop DJ and then Cade. I mean, I do think running and grinding out Shipley/the ground game and playing D....probably could of won some of those losses. and that CJ Spiller incident on the sideline is a legit dislike moment this past year. And I largely ding most guys hard for those type things. Which I probably give him a pass on. end of the day, I just want a natural pass catcher in the backfield and to round out the backfield better. I forget about Trotter in this draft. I do think if a Tiger is signed, it's a front 7 guy. Just like fearing them overdrafting Shipley. Part of me worries about Ruke. Who they must like to some extent.

this was the talk going into last year. Health was deemed the hindrance to his career, not ability. I think it's safe to say just watching him here, and the college numbers do back it.....the deep ball isn't really Bryce's bread and butter/game. Assuming he’s healthy, Chark should perfectly complement Thielen’s short-to-intermediate profile. At 6-foot-4 and 200 pounds, Chark is a burner and a ball-winner.

I still don't get why such a heavy % of the board isn't on board w/ the pass catching RB need. And how a pass catching RB is much different than just throwing to a RB that isn't one.

well, I didn't feel we catered to his uniqueness going into last season at all. And it went horrifically. I largely feel the same way. BUT, I'm not sure I want us investing into his uniqueness heavily at this point. We should just be adding pure talent at his point. I think we move on from Bryce in the near future. I mean, I love Leggette's potential. I wanted us to draft him. I think Leggette frankly would pair up better with a Jake Delhomme style QB than a Bryce Young.

yeah, anything is possible, I'm laying the odds as of right now on Johnson. I think he trends more as a one year guy than anything. I guess that's my issue on Canales and Bryce and the Panthers overall. I think if you are just going to do what Canales did in Tampa and insert Bryce? Just call it a wrap. Bryce is such an anomaly at QB he needs a unique Bryce centric O. I mean, we saw the insert Bryce into what I do approach last year. It was a trainwreck.

I can get down wtih this one. I think Atl helped the Raiders have a good draft. Not that I don't like Penix, but I think them landing Brock is better for them than if they had gotten Penix. And I think they were the team most thought might get squirrely and take him

I'm not sure the intention when things started was for Theilen to be the end all be all of our pass game. I think that organically came about when Bryce and the O simply couldn't really make plays to the outside. I still worry that's largely going to be the same thing. Outside of having Johnson running slants. I'm not confident Bryce Young is going to be able to take advantage or maximize whatever we put on the outside.

I could see Ruke or Xavier being possibilities this year. Top 30 visits. Seems this group looked at Clemson more so than past regimes. Not that I really want that to happen. I think the last time I legitimately wanted them to draft a Tiger was Nuk. I'm also curious if they end up doubling down on the local products. XL checks the box. They brought Wilson, Walker, a bunch of Clemson guys in. Who knows. I would like Shipley in the 4th. But I strongly want them to draft a RB that isn't an early down runner and can be part of the pass game.

I mean, I think at this point, we are creating a version of Tepper that isn't actually real. I mean, I meet Tepper once for all of 2 seconds. And it happened to be at a sports bar before a game. I think thats actually something he attempts to do. Pop in to Panther-ish bars from time to time. Attempt to come off as friendly owner.

There is reporting also from news folks that employees reported that Tepper was actually in good spirits and went in to make friendly jokes about it all.....and asked the bar owner who they should take. Who turned out not even be a Panther fan.

drastically? I wouldn't say that. Johnson IMO is a one year rental. Leggette IMO is now the best long term hopeful. But I still think for Bryce Young, RB, TE and the slot trio is the bread and butter pass game for him to succeed and we haven't improved there at all.

sadly, I think if we do land a Clemson Tiger it won't be Shipley. I think it's one of the DT/DE Tigers. We brought 2 in for top 30s visits. And in that case, you would prefer Ruke over Xavier with rounds not factoring.

Shipley in the 4th is good though. But I think someone likely could grab him in the 3rd. Shipley IMO is the best actual all around RB in the draft. But still just a committee RB at the end of the day. but Shipley 1000% fits the dog mentality Morgan talks about. He takes winning and football as serious as it gets.

I don't like Ship in the 3rd, but if Bryce Young is ever going to himself....you got to start adding players that match his style of play. Throwing to Hubbard and Sanders doesn't make them rec backs. I'd LOVE Shipley in the 4th. You actually have to DRAFT RBs to build your team properly. Because you shouldn't be signing these FAs. And every RB on the roster should be gone after this year. I think the ideal Panthers vision is some variation of the following based on their top 30 visits, pro days, etc. Leggete - done Wilson Rice/Walker RB/OT/DT/DE in some order