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if DJ Moore added a ball spin, barked, and had funny one liners.....people would have loved him (and he played the exact same). DJ Moore is probably our most underrated WR in Panther history. Only thing that has held him back is the offenses he has played in (which still holds true outside of Carolina)

I liked last years approach where XL just flat said he was going to the be the pick

UNC got in for the same reason 789 SEC teams got in. It is what it is.

Yes. Throughout out his entire career. Not sure what you are trying to argue....that Jayce Horn hasn't been Mr. Glass while in Carolina? Jeff Otah while employed started in a higher % of games and he is the historical board meme for not being able to play. His cumulative career and not suiting up is the knock. And given what that has been....I'm not cherry picking last year out and just assuming a guy that never can stay healthy totally would have been there if we needed him.

so to be clear, upon your review, an All Pro/Pro Bowl/All Rookie Team season isn't an example of a rookie showing his team he is a legit NFL player? That's some mental gymnastics IMO. you concede Morgan. So that's 2 out of your 3. Which does leave Jenkins, who still managed 11 starts as a rookie and was a Pro Bowler by year 2. I just don't see how THAT trio is what you are going to dig your heels in on as the example of needing time and patience. Sure everyone needs time to develop. Some positions more than others (as I highlighted, I think guys in trenches need more time than other spots). But in today's NFL, skill players should be showing you windows and glimpses they were the right pick pending they get opportunity and their aren't unusual circumstances. It's not 1990. They are out there running college schemes in today's NFL. Passing game is totally different today. And it's way you see all these 1k seasons from rookie after rookie after rookie after rookie today...they didn't exist years ago. So when Mingo looks like utter trash......you don't need to let 3 years in the books sink in before starting to judge him.

Yeah, I’m not giving the benefit of the doubt to someone that has been Mr. Glass throughout his entire career here. I don’t know if he would have suited up if it mattered….because it’s Jayce Horn. Hunt isn’t Horn. No one is Horn. it’s not dishonest to point out Horn had never played a full season. He hasn’t. He barely has played over 50% of the time.

you are giving Horn a benefit of the doubt his career history says he shouldn't get. We don't know he would have suited up if it mattered at the end. Horn was limited the week prior going into the AZ game. and then the only reason you shut him down and only him.....is he so injury prone vs the rest of the field. Which isn't really a great aspect of Horn. That he has to get special treatment because he is so easily injured.

89 was #2 in return yardage and lead the NFL in return scores with 2. arguably best in the league his rookie season hence the Pro Bowl/all rookie team. His coach just didn’t give him WR opportunity. You got to have that. and a comparison to Luke (an all time GOAT) has nothing to do with Morgan proving he was legit NFL dude as a rookie. Morgan made the all rookie team and no one was debating at the end of the year if we made the right decision. Agree to disagree about it should take time to simply show you are a legit pick and NFL player. If you get legit opportunity…..like say a Mingo…you can start judging them pretty quick. They should be showing they were good picks in windows and waves early in today’s NFL. Specifically at the skill spots. Line play is about the only spot I’ll ignore a bad rookie season. QB too pending the circumstances.

So….2024 he was a top 10 corner? I concede he made the Pro Bowl. Which is a fan and then player popularity contest. Top players at their position often don’t make it and we often see guys who aren’t make it. That’s what the Pro Bowl is. Statistically he wasn’t in 2024 by old metrics. Nor did he rank as such by the newer metrics and methods out there. And the ONE game to my knowledge he largely matched up all game with their opponents lead WR….a washed Nuk Hopkins won the day

everyone's reaction will be.... as we trade up to draft a Carolina Gamecock at Saftey Emmanwori . I have studied the Panthers and run all their prior actions through my newly designed PantherbotAI system. Prepare. No point replying about how we could trade back for him or don't need him. The PantherbotAI has studied these people's past behavior.

I'd rather have him than TMac. I still would go Warren if going O.

What season was he a top 10 corner.....and it can be backed with a statistical argument OR can be backed by a consensus opinion that can be shared? dude has barely suited up for over 50% of his games in Carolina. That's like claiming CMC was a top 10 RB this year. and if you look at 2024 for Jayce Horn (where he stayed on the field ALMOST a full season)....his breakdown of all the different ways you can evaluate a corner has been shared. Nothing top 10 about that performance. Horn also doesn't travel w/ opposing 1s.

Their rookie finished the season #3 in receiving yards. I don't know who all makes up the bottom 5. But I know 99% of folks are going to have Carolina and New England in their list

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jaycee-horn/ hard to really make any type of argument for him being a top corner he is good. not great.

Jayce Horn is the Jeff Otah of corners.