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Sure there was, he was lights out against Tennessee but you can see some of those issues for a few games. You can see it on Strouds 21 tape as well right after the injury, I think that’s why people came into the year saying he didn’t have a super strong arm, when Strouds got a very nice arm in reality.

The argument is noodle arm, he’s got a fine arm, it’s definitely not elite. The whole hyperbole in here on Young gets exhausting lol. The video was in response to someone saying he can’t throw it 40 yards without his receiver stopping for it.

There’s a nice little montage of him doing what you say he can’t.

He’s got a very similar arm to Burrow coming out, they can make every throw but you wish that had a tad more. Burrows arm has taken a step change in the NFL that’s really elevated his game. That’s not unheard of a lot of QBs gain arm strength their first few years in the NFL.

Cam will always make me sad, I’ll never forgive Ryan Vermillion and his cronies not shutting him down after that first injury in the Chargers game. Playing for nothing while your Franchise QB nurses a shoulder injury that would end up deteriorating more and more as he got hit until it eventually did him in. I’ll say I think Bryce is a lot stronger than he’s given credit for, he runs through a lot more tackles than he should. Josh Mccown seems to think that core strength was important. Doesn’t make up for anything but it’s interesting to note. Overall I probably agree with you more than we both assume, I’d guess my risk tolerance is just higher. My desired ceiling to qualify for a number one pick just outweighs what I see CJ as.

I was a big Mahomes guy as well, I still don’t get how so many teams missed that. I tend love aggressive QBs that don’t play scared. My favorite thing about Richardson is he does a lot of the things I love my QBs to do already, I think he’s almost as good in the pocket as I think Young is, it’s impressive what he does with so little experience. I think most his flaws can be fixed by just mechanics related stuff, though his short accuracy does worry me long term it’s hard to project exactly how much a consistent base would improve his accuracy but I would take the risk to find out. If I’m being honest I’d probably take Richardson over Stroud, but I know that’s me pushing the upside button in my head, which probably explains a bit of why I’m not as scared of Young as many in here.

Sure if he actually tears his shoulder like Cam did that’s a different concern. But he’s not getting percentages taken off his arm for every ding, every injury has a different cost. Guys don’t get slower because of minor knee sprains. All QBs should worry about serious shoulder injuries though. No of course It’s not my preference, I’d love for him to be bigger. I feel like I’ve made that clear. I am just not gonna let a bunch of assumption boogeyman prevent me from taking the best QB talent though, which he is by a decent amount in my eyes.

The whole gotcha stuff just doesn’t play with me, it’s an irrelevant correlation.

I appreciate how in on Richardson you are I can’t lie he’s insanely exciting to project.

Honestly I think the stuff I watched in Penn State and Iowa specifically gave me pause. A lot of happy feet and a weird spin thing he keeps trying that’s nothing but trouble. The problem is he doesn’t deal with an abundance of pressure generally. I think you can see the hints of positives all over though as well and I love he put it together for Georgia. I just wish there was more on tape because the negatives make me really nervous.

I don’t think there’s anything to prove there is less wiggle room or not, Im not someone who makes assumptions and acts like they are facts though, I try and deep dive anything to find some correlation. Not sure smaller people having joints and ligaments that deteriorate faster is a thing. Guys small why do I need a comparison, I’m fully aware of his outlier status.

I hope at the min he goes somewhere that’ll coach him up the right way, him being awesome will make the NFL more fun.

I would guess long term it’s 0%s for him, generally guys gain some arm strength after getting to the nfl as well. If he’s got a degenerative issue they’ll find it in the physical, AC Joint is a pretty common nfl injury. And I have no clue how big Pinero is I just know Bryce is small, I just don’t get why I’d care I guess.

I know Frank lines up like 75% in 2020 but I think it changed based on his QB. He’s probably slightly over league average of 66% I’d imagine.

Yeah they both had almost identical shoulder injuries and both seemed to have a similar recovery arc. Stroud said it effected him most the year, hurt it week one and people were wondering if he would sit out the bowl game. AC joints are a relatively common QB injury. I’d say them both playing at the level they did after it is a positive for both of them.

What does Pinero have anything to do with it? Who do you think weighs more Sebastian Janakowski or CJ Stroud? Do kickers get hurt at a higher level in the pocket than others? Or just a gut feel thing? Got a source on 15% or is that another gut feel? and what elbow injury? He came back a week after that shoulder injury and had one of his better performances vs Tennessee, seems like he recovered pretty well.

I’m good to just assume they are both invincible if that’s what everyone wants.

The Invincible CJ Stroud everyone.

This is what has made Saban so good IMO, he's never been afraid to make wholesale changes to what he likes to do. Always poaching fired coaches to try and harvest ideas and stay ahead of the curve.

Only contact injury Kyler got hurt on was an ankle sprain he missed 2 games with. Everything else was non contact hamstring and knee injuries.

Yeah i'm just saying there is a lot of words and data in here when the argument always just devolves to, "are you ok with what your perceived increase in injury risk between a 190-200 lb player and a 210-220 lb player" and everyone is just working off their assumptions that really are based on a decent amount of what we think of the guys as prospects as well. At least we'll be on the same side when its Richardson lmao.

I've often wondered how long it would take me to fully buy in if we announced Levis with the number one pick. I think I'd probably convert within the week but it would be a rough one.

He's not running into bigger hits on tape though, he runs around but generally its got players chasing him off balance and his sacks arent incredibly vicious. The hardest hits he takes are when he stands in the pocket and delivers a pass, which generally in the history of the NFL is where QBs get hurt at a far greater %.

The reality is he's an injury risk yes, but the reality isnt that Stroud is safe from any injury risk because he has 20 lbs on him. The argument is that the masses are using assumptions that havent proven out one way or another to greatly increase Young's injury risk while at the same time ignoring/diminishing CJs. End of the day neither are safe from the physics of the NFL, the goal for all should be diminishing hits. The Bryce crowd think he does a good job of avoiding the hits that would body bag them and that helps decrease that probability a bit closing the gap on how important it should be to the evaluation. The Stroud crowd clearly thinks he puts himself in more danger and Stroud gets the ball off fast enough to avoid them. This argument just devolves into the same Stroud vs Young argument with just more hyperbole.

Richardson was 2 all through high school and his first year in college before taking the The Golden Calf of Bristol 15. So i could see him swapping back to 2. Stroud feels like 7 has always been his number, he'll probably pay up to swap it if he has to I'd bet. I think Bryce wore 5 for a bit in high school, could see him taking that if Corral doesnt swap or doesnt want to. I have a feeling he'd give up 9 and move to 2 if asked.