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Gannon is the Cardinals coach right? He's very weird, but so was Siranni in his first interview. Definitely would be a little nervous being a Cardinals fan right now.

I may not downplay it but its not a massive tell, if we bring him to the facility next week it probably would be. Carr has met with the full Saints and Jets brass a number of times already. Tepper should have been in our meeting regardless.

Yeah I feel like that's just where we are at right now, ideally he continues to be a helpful tool and not an issue, but at the moment I just assume he's part of the group anytime they mention us meeting with anyone.

I feel like Tepper is going to be involved with every QB interview and discussion this offseason. If he was already in Indy why would he not be part of the meeting after how involved he's been in everything the entire offseason. I feel like his presence is less of a tell than a number of other owners would be.

Honestly I know you dont like it from you comment and thats fine but as someone went in expecting the show to be pure fan service, it stands alone as a TV show very very well. The people with the biggest problem with it seems to be the video game crowd who wanted a one for one fan service level remake.

I think there were pacing issues in the episode but it 100% was needed, really enjoyed it. I'm blown away by how good of an actress Bella Ramsey is.

Just feel like the right situation probably involves a team believing in him enough to commit to him for a while.

While you may hire a guy for a third round pick, you don’t pass on a preferred candidate because someone gets a third round pick. SF has been racking up the picks and no team is batting an eye.

I'm open to both aspects, Rookie TEs notoriously are finicky with first year production so I would imagine drafting and signing one could be in play.

Yeah I was going to say I remember this being like a yearly discussion for the first overall pick during that time period and its faded away a bit these recent years. Maybe it has something to do with the simplified Rookie Contracts now as well?

Yeah I remember there was talk of Manning sitting out the year and then re-entering the draft the following season, it was pretty wild watching that play out live. I'll never forget Eli's face when they originally called his bluff, he was FURIOUS. Such a funny Draft thinking back on it.

Yeah thats why i threw in the technically hahaha. Would feel weird to toss it out to me though as it was done on draft day and at the end of the day the value was much like every other draft day trade.

I dont think anyone knows that for sure, and if they do then it says a whole a lot about him as a prospect in my eyes.

Giants technically traded from 4 to 1 for Eli giving a future first to do it. But that's not from outside the top 5 specifically I understand, but its in the spirit of what it would cost us to get up to 3 or maybe 5 (5 would probably be cheaper).

This is very true it does ignore a number of very good QBs who may not have made a Super Bowl but consistently won. Having to define bust and success would be pretty subjective but i'm sure there are stats out there. Just interesting stuff.

I just wanted to look at some more historical data on Super Bowl Wins and QBs just because its scratching an itch today. Used 1994 as the cutoff as that was when the Salary Cap was implemented There have been 344 QBs drafted since 1994 and 78 of them have been First Round Picks. (78/344) = 22.67% Of QBs drafted or signed as udfas since 1994 there have been 26 QBs to appear in the Super Bowl and 13 different QBs that have won one. Of the 26 QBs that appeared in a Super Bowl 16 of them were first round picks. (16/26) = 61.54% Of the 13 QBs that won a super Bowl 8 of them were first round picks. (8/13) = 61.54% for 23% of QBs to contribute to 62% of both winners and appearances is pretty insane.

Oh I agree, I dont think there is a perfect way to find a guy to get you to the Super Bowl, if we feel we need to trade up to get a guy our Front Office believes in I say do it. Reich and Rhule did the whole be patient and develop late round guys/free agents in Indy/Carolina thing and got canned because it didnt work, plenty of coaches have swung at first round QBs and gotten fired because of it. Everything is going to be a toss up. My one stance is you should always be taking swings on QBs until you find one that can get you a Super Bowl, I commend the Eagles for taking Hurts in the second and eating the criticism while they had Wentz on his rookie deal. You keep looking no matter the situation until you know you have one for a fact.

I'd say the one thing this ignores is how many QBs are in the sample of Non First Round QBs vs First Round QBs in the last 20 years there have been 64 first round QBs and 194 non first round QBS. So in the last 20 years 7/11 QBs to win a Super Bowl were first round QBs thats what 63% of QBs Where just 25% of QBs drafted in the last 20 years were first round QBs in the entire QB population. So 25% of the QB population makes up 63% of Super Bowl wins. Even the last ten years 3 QBS drafted in the first round won a Super Bowl, 3 QBs not drafted in the first round won the super bowl. While both methods are very very hard to find a QB that can win a Super Bowl, first round QBs win Super Bowls at a SIGNIFICANTLY higher rate compared to the population than rounds 2-7 and any other specific round. Now in terms of past performance and winning a Super Bowl for a new team there are definitely arguments to be made, but there are so many factors at play its hard to really drill down the data on what works for different teams. It is possible to build a team a number of ways and win a Super Bowl for sure.

Yeah and its hard when there is such small subset of players you can compare Richardson to. Its basically all Unicorns and thats because he is a Unicorn himself, that doesnt mean he's remotely a sure thing but its easy to see where the Comp comes from. Honestly Bryce Young comps work the other way because his size is such an outlier people struggle finding comps that actually work well.

Based on whats succeeded in the NFL recently, him or Levis going one wouldn't shock me in the slightest. I'm pretty pumped for the QB portion of the combine next week.

I’m not necessarily a “fan” but I’d be fine with him at 9 understanding his bust potential. Things I like about him other than size is his feel in the pocket, watching him work a pocket is really advanced for someone who has so little experience. Had the second lowest pressure to sack % in this class and he’s legitimately impressive. I think his decision making ability overall is very sound and he seems to understand both what his offense wants and what the defense is giving to him, I think on the whole he is generally throwing to the right players at the right time. I of course very much enjoy his arm and athleticism which should be top end in the NFL even. But that leaves the big issue for me and everyone which is accuracy, and I think a large amount of his accuracy issues directly tie to inconsistencies in his base and mechanics and it’s something I think good coaches can fix. If you think his accuracy isn’t fixable then I’d totally understand hating him, but personally I think if he gets to a good situation it can improve and then he becomes very compelling in todays NFL. I wouldn’t want to trade up for him I’d take the risk at 9 though because he does a ton of things I love QBs to have and there is a legit upside case that I don’t think is that far fetched based on his tape and what I view to be his problems.

Yeah I was referencing some stat I read on here about adjusted completion percentage the year before they went pro but I realize that was trying to claim Lances one game that last year as the last season. You are right.

I think it’s both his 2022 tape wasn’t close to as good as it was in 2021 and a general backlash of fans who watched him this year after reading about him being a top QB candidate and having not watched him before. His flaws were definitely magnified this year with a bad oline and some mobility limiting injuries. Then his age on top of that makes him decently unappealing. Also he’s not even the biggest upside guy in the draft with Richardson being in the same general archetype.

In terms of potential outcomes he would have the highest ceiling both talent wise and for our team because we can probably get him at 9 and keep our picks. I just am not sure we can take the risk in our situation, very few QBs with a completion % as bad as him have gone top 10. It’s like Lance and Allen would be the only comps if he actually goes that high. I guess on the other side of it if he fails at 9 it’s less damaging than trading multiple firsts and having that guy fail. It’s an interesting puzzle, if we take him I’ll be both nervous as hell and a little excited that Reich thought he could unlock him. I’d prefer to just move up for one of the two guys I feel are safer, but I also kind of worry we are going to trade up for Levis and I’d rather just sit at 9 and see if he or Richardson fall in that case probably.

I agree on Luvu he fits this scheme very nicely. We’ll be in base far less than we’ll be in other looks I wouldn’t get too caught up on the pure 3-4. We have a lot of versatile pieces that work for both types of defense but I think our edges other than YGM are all better suited for 3-4 and that’s the harder position to find. Evero is going to have a lot of fun with our athleticism and talent.