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Bryce can’t play from the pocket? Have you watched 0 film on Bryce? Because that’s a loony tunes take.

Bryce had to improvise more because of talent In 2022, which he was just as successful with. In 2021 he got the ball out plenty fast because he had talent giving him time and receivers that got open. CJ Stroud was in a very friendly QB scheme with lot of talent and was able to get the ball out fast, CJ has demonstrated when that wasn’t possible he got statistically worse and didn’t have the same success. The difference here is Bryce was successful when he had to improvise where as CJ was demonstratively less successful.

I'll never understand how Stroud got elevated to a bullet proof prospect by so many on this board. He's got plenty of issues that are a risk to take, I understand liking him more but acting like he isnt a flawed prospect is just so confusing. All the QBs have flaws, its more of a pick your poison type draft.

Stroud had an average time to throw of 3.39 seconds in his grail game against Georgia are you gonna hold that against him? Sometimes when your online and receivers arent having great days you have to create a little on your own. Also its not like Bryce had a bad season last year, so i'm not even sure what your comment is getting at. He held the ball a little longer and bought more time and was about as successful as he was the previous year.

Whats funny is when Bryce did have a classic Bama level online and Receivers in 2021, which were on par imo with what Ohio State had this year, his average time to throw was lower than Stroud's was in 2022.

We honestly could have taken Levis and I would have convinced myself we've had a great Offseason and this staff is going to get the best out of him. It's the first time in years I've had a glimpse of optimism or confidence in what is going on in Carolina and I'm going to enjoy it for all its worth. I do prefer Bryce personally but whatever guy we went with I'd have been open minded with just because I trust the guys we have developing our QB. I cant imagine being this upset over getting a guy so many places have ranked both their #1 QB and a Top 3 prospect. Cant wait for this weekend.

Or we can take a guy thats known to fold under pressure. Or one that sucked last year but had nice 21 tape, or the other one that completed 55% of his passes this year. Acting like one guys flaws are the only one that matters is bizarre.

And if Young does prove to be a lot better than Stroud i'm sure these vengeful fans waiting to trash the Panthers and let them have it will be lining up to say they were wrong. Panthers hitting on this pick is important regardless of who the fans want. If we took Stroud,Young, Richardson, Levis, or even Hooker and they sucked the end result is mad fans and a disaster of a situation.

Like this wouldn't be the case with whatever QB we drafted.

Id be a little bummed if we passed on McDonald who went one pick after us in this mock for Tillman, but he did try and hammer the defense late.

This is what makes me laugh as well. I've had so many assumptions blown up over my career that I tend to need to find data to back stuff up, and I cant find anything that remotely says what the common assumption is. Its totally fair to say he's smaller than the data has information from, but that doesnt really discount the curves at other positions at his weight, nor does it really discount the trends you see at the QB position. No one knows, there is data that shows it may be very much overblown on this board but we wont know till he plays, devaluing a player over assumptions is how you pick the wrong player though.

Yeah I think I’d have those 3 ahead of him I go back and forth with Anderson. Carter is such a good prospect he’ll still go top 10 with as bad of an offseason as he has had which is impressive.

I just hope the people who’ve been adamant they’ll be happy with any QB can actually be happy with Bryce. Got a lot of fun ahead of us, time to start buying in if you haven’t gotten there yet.

Fitts been drooling over Bryce since before the combine, he’s always had the final say. If you need to blame anyone for converting Reich blame him.

100% and I don’t have a problem with people liking other QBs more, I just think a lot are writing Bryce off prematurely.

I guess I feel like Strouds struggles handling pressure and working off script, Levis’s pressure/accuracy issues, and Richardsons accuracy could eventually limit an offense just as much if not more than Youngs size. The offense we are rumored to be building looks to be heavily RPO and empty sets both of which Bryce excels at. Eagles and Chiefs were in shotgun a ton last year All these guys have flaws that can dictate what you can and can’t call, the difference is Bryce will be able to move you in and out of plays, read the defense, and help us maximize his strengths. Every QB has a system that maximizes their Strengths and it’s up to the coaches to get it out of them. Our coaches clearly seem to think the talent and what he brings compared to the others outweighs any offensive limitations.

I think there’s like a summary score but it doesn’t tell you the individual components. The S2 guy said a 90% could have a 10% in one area and that’s what’s important the individual components.

Me as well.

This is an incredible video for this argument. I'm dying.

I think that is totally fair, others think Bryce is better and that outweighs the concerns in their mind, some think Stroud is better straight up and I think thats fair. We are all just fans on a message board. Its the definitive statements on injury risk and acting like there is no chance that Bryce is able to stay healthy long term is where most the push back comes.

I can respect people saying they prefer Stroud because of actual QB things. I personally have a large enough gap between Young and Stroud sans size that the size doesn't factor into the equation, but we are all just guys on a message board. The problem on this board is I dont think fans argue enough about actual qualities that they feel push these guys over and just default on the tired size argument and talk about it like its a foregone conclusion. Some Stroud guys have 100% have given some great arguments on why they prefer Stroud but things on message boards just tend to simmer to the most basic arguments. There have also been a number that will say Young is a better QB but hes going to get hurt in the pros which is something I just cant get behind personally. End of the day anyone talking in guarantees is wrong in my eyes, and I think a lot of the Young side are tired of the common automatic "hes to small we would be idiotic to draft him" takes and get a little more vigilant when discussing things. He could get hurt in the NFL, I would argue there is nothing in the data or his past that makes it a Very Likely or anything, its just an assumption that may or may not play out.

Injury risk is a concern, the argument is more there is no way to know either way for certain if he's going to get hurt more or not because of his size. There is limited data out there than generally trends toward lighter players get hurt less but nothing concrete. Bryce is small so he'll be a new data point for this. He wasn't exceptionally injury prone in college like some of the bigger guys were, he did take a big hits from NFL level people throughout his career and those scouts will mention that. He is not guaranteed to get hurt at a higher rate than other players, no one knows at the level he's going to get hurt at and saying you do is the issue. Discounting him because he cant play 17 games and is going to get hurt and wont be able to hold up in the NFL is what people are arguing with. The certainty you are arguing this with with zero data to back it up is why you are getting more push back than you think you should. We can agree together that his size should be a data point in the calculation, but taking a QB we like worse just because we assume something with nothing actually demonstrating the assumption then yes people will take the stance that is short sighted and incorrect.

Does Richardson and Levis getting hurt in the SEC a bunch ding them more since it wasn't the NFL, or does their weight make it ok?