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So PJ probably the backup for the first 3 games. Doubt we'll need to call on him anyway.

1) I disagree, when so much of what people are giving him crap for ITT have nothing to do with his coaching on Sundays, and 2) If that's the case, why do we have this thread in late August?

People complained nonstop Corral wasn't getting enough reps. And in his second game his foot snapped like a toothpick. All of a sudden bringing him along slowly starts looking like it was the right call. Is it not giving them the reps, or is it letting them get up to speed an minimizing opportunities for an injury. If Ickey had ruptured his ACL after getting all the training camp reps, what would you be saying then? "Rhule's an idiot for throwing him in too early against our first team?" I'm willing to accept that as a fan I'm not privy to everything going on behind the scenes and all the decision-making that goes into why a camp is run the way it's run. And I'm going to give the head coach the benefit of the doubt that he knows more about how to do it than me. Curious about what you're seeing here. Phil Snow put together a solid defensive group last year. He needs to improve Red Zone D, but I'm by no means ready to jettison him. So why hold that against Rhule? He's cut out the college disciplinary, "take a lap" nonsense, and from what we've seen, ran a very professional-level camp We have depth at positions where we didn't have depth last year We have an NFL OC Anything else, I don't know how you judge his coaching until you see how he coaches in regular season games

I agree. He doesn't have the under-qualified coaches anymore. He's not doing the DBO nonsense. He's improved in every area he was skewered for in the past. So people can either continue to hate him because of the past, or choose to see the trajectory as improving and wait until the actual season to judge him on the things a coach should actually be judged for.

Shoulda shoulda shoulda What are you seeing right now, leading up to the 2022 season that is 2 weeks away that is worse than last year? Is he, in your honest opinion, continuing to make the team worse?

This post. The one you very cleverly responded to by writing "lol"

I literally spelled them out point for point on the last post you quoted me on.

And I'm someone who believes that you can't judge someone for not performing well in a bad situation. And rationalize however you want, but the Panthers were in a bad situation. You're stepping into the post-Cam, Post-Luke, Post Gettleman/Hurney 2.0 era. That's a mess you have to clean up, and it was never going to happen overnight. That's a New Years Day in Times Square level mess. If you want to look at 2020 and 2021 assume that's indicative of his future performance, that's fine. I'm judging by what I'm seeing in 2022, and it's correcting a lot of his mistakes in the past. The only arguments I'm hearing at all against Rhule are "shoulda." He shoulda done this, he shoulda done that. Well that's the past. It's a new year. If he flops he flops. But I just don't have a reason to be as pessimistic as people in this thread choose to be.

Okay, if you're going to bring up rookie mistakes as failure in coaching (as though we hold rookie players to the same standard) then I'd counter that not repeating those mistakes is representative of a positive in terms of his coaching ability. He didn't build the O-Line. The GM and the available free agents did. And that's not even a slight on Fitt. There was no one on the market we could practicably get. ...And really? Cam is the hill you're gonna choose to die on? Are you really going to hold up not renewing Cam as a failure of coaching? Knowing what we know now, moving on from Cam was 100% the right move. And Teddy was really the only option. Rhule made mistakes, I grant you, and from where I'm sitting he's not repeating them. However, regardless of what his moves were, no one was coming into the situation in Carolina and succeeding the last 2 years. NFL-experienced coordinators or not, he would have been rolling with broken down Cam or Teddy, and the best O-Line the FA market would bear out.

Refute me, then.

The truth is there's not a single NFL head coach, who could come in and get more than 5 wins in the first two years with the team and the roster Rhule had. No offensive line. A total of 10 games out of 33 with CMAC, and starting Teddy Bridgewater and Sam Darnold at QB. You show me any coach in the NFL who could have simply coached a team into a winning record in that situation and I'll show you a zero calorie cheesecake. You can't. Because there isn't one. He's contributed to improving the roster, he's replaced his college coordinators and assistants with people with real NFL experience, and he's cut out the "DBO" coaching young men nonsense. He's improved in every area you all were bitching about last year. So I guess the only solution was to move the goal posts further. 5-win seasons suck, but I'd much rather believe we have a coach trending in the right direction than wishing for him to fail. I'm not saying I have full faith in Rhule. I am saying you all have an impossibly high standard for success, and want to speed run to another tear down and reconstruction. Because that's so fun as a fan to endure.

Honestly, the strength of our schedule. I think we've done as much as we could to be successful this offseason, and the strides we've made are very impressive. But it might not be enough if some of the teams continue on the trajectory they were last year, or get hot at the right time. I look at our schedule and, damn, I wouldn't even call the Lions a gimme this year. We have to run through the NFC West that could produce 3 playoff teams. The easiest games we'll have all year are probably in our own division, but considering what a crap-shoot division games are odds-wise, I wouldn't count on them either. My concern, is we have find ways to win games that on paper we should lose. At least we're only playing the Bills in the Preseason!

You are not well.

That's the BEST case?! Holy poo it's embarrassing that you people call yourselves fans

Have fun.

So Corral is just that bad, then?

This. This. Only this. The end.

I'm not a Corral doubter. But holding up Matt Corral's rocky NFL debut and weak foot as evidence of failure of Rhule's coaching is dumb. In fact it shows he was right to bring him along slowly. His job isn't to pave the way for a third round QB. It's to get an NFL team ready for a 17 game NFL season.

Matt was not ready for the NFL, and clearly was an injury concern. If you'd gotten your way, and he got all the training camp reps, and he won the starting job, and he sent you a dick pic, and all your dreams came true, all that would have happened is he would have gotten injured anyway in week 1 or 2 and we'd be starting Baker or PJ anyway. You can't "develop" a stronger foot.

This is dumb. There's no reason to fire him now, and there's no reason as a fan why you shouldn't be hopeful he'll improve this year. 2 years ago he was a rookie HC. Last year he didn't have the talent (argue this point, I dare you). This year, we seem to have addressed many of our weakest areas (in the first team anyway) he won the first preseason game, and we outplayed the Patriots' starters with our second string. So what are you seeing that says we can't expect better coaching this year? The only people I see bitching right now are people who can't get over the fact that Matty Man Crush is done for the year because his foot is apparently made of glass and dry twigs.

We need some good news at center. Been a while since we had an O line anchor like Kalil

They checking his shoe size?

Bye PJ

Honestly, I think $19M is a bargain for a backup at this point.

Zappe looks like a pro.