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Honestly, our only hope is to make owning this team so unpalatable that he sells. He's doing a fine job on his own, but we as fans really need to do our bit and be collosal assholes and trolls to him specifically until he sells.

Honestly, what's worse optics for the franchise? Benching your #1 overall pick 6 quarters into his second season, never to be seen again? Or trotting him back out after the half for more of the same?

First thing we've done right all day. Quality punt

We have a second round pick?

Okay, fug it. Let's start the conversation now.

See? Told you we'd get another drive this half.

Should be the next drive. Whether or not it's the half.

Okay. That's it. Dalton time. Look at Bryce's face after that pick. Even he's done.

I was gonna make this a thread on it's own, but I'll re-ask it officially in a couple of weeks if this continues: At what point do the 2024 Panthers enter the conversation of "Worst NFL Teams of All Time?"

Don't make me bump the Darnold/Mayfield thread

Okay, honestly, if you're the chargers, why not go on 4th and 1? Worst case you turnover on downs and the Panthers offense takes you closer to the end zone anyway.

OMG that graphic. "1.0 yards per play"

Fire

Lol! I was like, at least we're in field goal range! For God sake! Bench Bryce!

Well fug me sideways. Good one, Horn!

Cope for passing on Parsons. Has been from the day we drafted him.

I saw a Patriots fan on Reddit say, "Panthers fans are the realest fans of the sport of football." We've crossed the threshold where even Bostonians can't find joy in trolling us. We're genuinely pitiable. Ouch.

I see that lineup and it literally turns my stomach. No joke, that's a playoff caliber offense. I said earlier in this thread, the entire cause of our downfall is the spectacularly erroneous thinking that we needed a "Franchise QB" NOW NOW NOW!!! I hated the idea of trading up. I hated the idea of trading up to #1 more. And I hated the idea of trading up to #1 for Bryce Young most of all. If we could have endured a couple more seasons for 6-11, 7-10 seasons, look where we'd be today. But the prevailing thought leading in to the 2023 draft was "I can't handle mediocrity one day more! No more middling seasons. We need to take a big shot at QB NOW!" Well y'all bitches shouldn't have been holding the goddamn monkey's paw when you made that wish, because it came true. We took a big swing at a franchise QB, and we won't be mediocre for a very long time.

I won't go as far as saying I've lost interest in the NFL. In general, there are some incredibly entertaining games being played. They're just not the Panthers games. There's an injection of new blood, and with the old guard like Brady and Rodgers winding down, we're seeing the rise of the next generation of superstars. They're just not on the Panthers. There's more parity and more divisions are toss-ups than I've seen in recent memory. Just the Panthers aren't contending. I'm just emotionally distancing myself from the Panthers. My loyalty is with them, but when I want to be entertained, I'll be watching the Lions with my family of Detroiters until the Panthers get their poo together.

I was just having this conversation yesterday at BHAWK Distillery (awesome btw!) after checking out mid-third quarter. Bryce is absolutely going to be a cautionary tale. Bryce Young being taken #1 overall is the story of people thinking too much for their own good, and data doesn't always tell the whole story. Picking NFL talent is extremely risky, so people who are in the position of making those calls like to wrap themselves in some sort of security blanket to try to add structure, logic, and reproducibility to something that is inherently chaotic. Guys who looked like sure-fire hits have flopped. And guys who were written off and drafted Mr. Irrelevant have led their teams to the Super Bowl. It's a gamble. It's a woozle. It's a wozzle. No one knows what's actually going to make a successful NFL pro. So what do the people in charge of picking NFL talent do? It varies from year to year. But right now, it seems like the answer is: Analytics! Let's take every measurable about a prospect. Let's take every characteristic. Every personality trait. And let's turn it into data. Plug it all into a computer. Do a rain dance and ejaculate on the motherboard, and hey presto! You've got a "formula" for picking NFL talent. Except you can't project NFL talent based on "data." There are too many immeasurables. Too many unquantifiable characteristics. Too many exigent circumstances surrounding players, teams, chemistry, coaching, and on and on and on. Bryce Young is the product of people thinking too much for their own good. And unfortunately, we were the fanbase that happened to be picking at #1 when we found the limits of "Analytics." After Bryce Young, people will say, "Hey, the computer said that this smurf is the best player in the draft," and someone else will rightly say, "Let me use my eyes and common sense. Hmm. No. He's clearly a smurf. Let's pick the guy who actually looks like an NFL player, data be damned."

Considering how much I was laughing, and the fact that I never once even approached the table-pounding fury I used to experience when watching games, clearly I was not surprised. I only picked "1" rather than zero because even in my darkest cynicism I couldn't have predicted the ignominy of our performance yesterday.

I'd sincerely like to have an entire draft done by online polling. We could be the first team ever to do it. Good way to re-engage a demoralized fan-base. And honestly, do you think we could possibly do worse than the people who are paid to do it currently?

To boo, you'd have to care. I expect silence punctuated by the visiting teams' fans' cheers all season til he gets the hook.

Bryce could have had a long and lucrative career in the USFL...

Cams have been good to the Carolinas. Not to mention we literally had a Cam Ward win us a Stanley Cup. I don't know if I'm superstitious, but Cam Ward just seems like the path to healing.