DeAngelo Beason

Well, I could see why some wouldn't vote for him, given the cheating and all that. Brady, of course, will come out squeaky clean when the time comes despite his track record of cheating as well.

Yes. That same game where the QB had 160 yards passing. That's the game I'm talking about. The QB who can't carry his team, but instead has to be carried by his team. Yeah. That same game.

Top 3 instead of top 5??? Not sure how much resurging there is to do here. Those Saints games really must have soured you on him. Every dog has his day. Pat Surtain II got manhandled by Amon-Ra St. Brown. The unstoppable Parker Washington also torched him pretty good.

He actually had plenty of good flashes with us but he was absolutely thrown to the wolves. I said at the time that we had our guy but he need some talent around him. That ended up being exactly the case.

The sweep had a whole lot to do with a QB who couldn't eclipse 200 yards passing to save his life. I would argue that's the primary culprit. Plenty of blame to go around.

The thing is he won't be paid like a top 3 corner in another year. That's the whole point of locking those contracts in early. Also, I think he's very much in the conversation among the best in the game regardless of what he's paid. Chris Olave has his number for whatever reason. The best corners in the game almost always run into someone who's got them figured out. He pretty much dominated everyone else all season. When you factor in the nonexistent pass rush it only further cements his status as one of the best.

PFF is so weird. Horn being ranked 69th in their magical rating system is funny. Allowing 289 yards all season is preposterous. He's a monster.

The NFL isn't scripted. It'd be impossible for it to be scripted. What DOES happen, is blatant biased and incompetent officiating. I don't know if someone is in the pocket of the refs, or if they're just idiots, but it's the worst officiated sport in all of sport.

Sam was the only turd that floated in our offense. That should have been a sign that the potential was there. I advocated for keeping him and getting some talent around him, but Tepper and co held on to the delusion that they needed to draft a QB #1 overall.

I'm not really in the CJ "camp" per se... the point I was making from the start is just that he's far superior to Bryce. We'd be better off had we drafted him. That said, he's not a top tier QB right now and probably wouldn't be had we drafted him either.

No, he never threw 8 tds in a game. I feel like we're splitting hairs and are describing the exact same situation, but you're looking through the lens of recency bias. Either way, the original point remains the same. CJ Stroud is still far better than Bryce Young.

I'm not sure how old you are, but maybe you don't remember those early playoff games against the Pats where Manning was completely lost and had no clue what he was doing. We absolutely have seen Peyton Manning crumble in the biggest of moments PLENTY of times, especially early in his career.

No. When did I claim he did? I'll take the data of three seasons worth of games over two postseason games. I think, in fact, two random bad games in an otherwise fantastic start to a career is about the definition of an aberration in the context of football. By your logic Peyton Manning should have been shipped off back in 04 when he threw 4 picks against the Pats. There are countless other examples, of course, I could point to, but you (probably) get the point.

Bryce had his best season this year and it wasn't even remotely as good as Stroud's "worst" (2024, which was still a damn good season). His passer rating and efficiency were actually up this year compared to last. His yards and TDs would likely have been higher as well, were it not for missing three games due to injury. So he's actually improved his overall body of work. I don't see any trend downward whatsoever. I agree the playoff game was a meltdown, but I think that had much more to do with missing weapons and what appeared to be an injured hand. After his hand hit the center's helmet his accuracy clearly suffered. It was a terrible game, but I don't foresee it being as career-altering. In regard to the topic of the thread, I'd trade 5 Bryce Youngs for one CJ Stroud in an instant and never look back.

Schultz missed almost the entire game. I'm not talking about the skill group when healthy. I'm talking about the pieces Stroud was missing in the specific game against the Patriots.