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Underrated point. Hurts had an MVP favorite in the backfield. All-Pro as his #1 and a 1b as his #2 along with a top offensive line and imo Bryce played better. That’s of course not to say Young>Hurts, that’s nonsense at this point. I’m simply saying that’s important to keep in mind that he’s doing what he’s doing with a below average supporting cast.

Him turning it around will be a huge benefit to this franchise whether he ends up being the guy or not. Had he not turned it around, we would have inevitably spent our 1st round pick on a QB and I'm not in love with ANY QB in this draft. So he gives us another year. We get more weapons, we get healthy players back, we solidify the defense and if he's a true franchise guy we will see it next year and if he's not we draft his replacement in 2025.

And then traded up to do it. Just doesn't make sense.

If I'm a GM, I'm not taking a RB in the first two rounds unless they are a transcendent talent. Brooks was good, but nowhere near transcendent.

Ouch. 1st, I feel bad for the kid. 2nd. Dumb decision my Morgan, and I felt that way when he was drafted.

Hmm. How do yall feel about that blitz on 3rd and long? aggressiveness is something I usually root for but I don’t know.

A Great Online and a QB who has some escapeability for when it's needed seems to be a deadly combination.

I don't know what caused the turnaround but it is fascinating. I'll tell you what though, if his turnaround is as legit as we all hope, he's going to be the poster boy for every franchise in the next ten years who drafts a QB who struggles early on. "Just give him some time, remember what happened with Bryce." I think his example will create a patience in fans and front offices that hasn't been there recently. There had already been a slight shift in terms of how media and fans think of young QB's coming into the league. How the Bust label is written on them prematurely, and how organizational competence has a lot more to do with the Busts and successes than we realize. We see what Mayfield is doing and then look at the current Browns. We see what Darnold is doing and look at the current Jets. Neither one are surefire Franchise guys necessarily, but they are proof that organizational competence + time often turn what one deems to be a bust into QB's you can win with.

For those that think we should trade him. What do you think a good deal would be now? Prior to the last couple of weeks I would have taken a bag of chips but now I would want at least a 3rd. I mean Darnold went for a 2nd…

I saw him being supportive. He was on the sideline jumping up and down when we got the interception. Maybe there were other shots of him pouting that I missed.

This what I was about to say.. People are going to talk about the greatness of Mahomes and company, and rightly so, but that muffed punt was the biggest play of the game. It was in the 3rd quarter of a game that went into OT so no one is going to talk about it.

He's playing a tough D. Didn't Mahomes have a similar drought in the middle of this game?

Yeah I was thinking he was the assistant under Gettlemen. Not that he was necessarily bad either.

I was talking about Gettlemen. He was assistant under Gettlemen right? Have I mixed up something?

It would be interesting to see if anyone can think of examples of an assistant GM that worked under a bad GM, who when he eventually got a shot, did well. Brandon Beane is obviously the first that comes to mind, any others?

What kind of time management was that?

49ers keep stiffing up in the redzone.

I fully acknowledge that Bryce took plenty of sacks he shouldnt have, But there are times where you are hanging in the pocket waiting for a WR to come open. There are touchdowns every Sunday where the QB "hung tough" in the pocket and then a WR came open. If you go back and look at Jordan Love's touchdown to Doubs last week, the cowboys blitzed, Jordan hung as long in the pocket as long as he could and then delivered a dime. I dont think we want a QB throwing the ball away anytime he senses pressure, nor do we want a QB looking at the rush. Its a balancing act that Bryce has far from mastered. But it is a balancing act.

The OP is definitely wrong implying that the Oline sucked so bad that he got sacked 62 times. Some of those were on Bryce. But I think other posters have swung too far to the other side implying that because Bryce had more time in the pocket than we thought (2.5 or 2.9 sec) then the majority of the sacks were on him. A lot of those plays that Bryce had time, but still resulted in sacks, were coverage sacks. In other words, our receivers didn't get open or was taking too long to get open, and he got sacked. Heck it takes Thelin more than 2.5secs to get out of his break, and he's the best receiver we have. Not only that, but early on in the year when we had no running game, we were in plenty of third and long situations, we all know that when a defense gets you in third and long sacks become more frequent because A. They know you're passing B. The Receivers have to run longer routes to get past the sticks for a first down -- which of course means the QB has to hold the ball longer for the receivers to get past the sticks. Again some of those were still on Bryce though, because in a some of those situations he could have thrown the ball away. There's plenty of blame to go around for that high sack number. It's not on one person. Bryce - Oline - WR's - too many 3rd and longs, scheme etc.

When the guy you quoted mentioned Shanahan offense I assumed he meant all of the coaches that run the Shanahan offense like the team we are watching right now, the packers. So when you replied I figured you were talking about the same. My bad.

Sean McVay.

This is of course true generally. That doesn't mean that there aren't certain games that are won primarily because of coaching, or lost because of it. This stands out as one of those exceptions. I've counted at least 4 WIDE OPEN completions. Not NFL open. College, high school open. That's not because of the players. That's because Matt LaFluer knew exactly what Dan Quinn wanted to do and took advantage.

Jordan Love has been great, but this is a coaching victory. LaFluer, if he wasn't already, now definitely a top 5 coach in the league. The Shanahan Tree has some great coaches man. K. Shanahan M. McDaniel M. LaFluer. S. McVay. At this point I want B. Slovik over Ben Johnson. Who's apart of the same tree.

This is where I was the first half of the year, when he had nothing to work with at all and wasn't performing. Toward the later half of the year when the run game picked up, Bryce was still bad. At that point "disappointing" was understating it for me. That said, with league average help I think he can still be a league average QB. Not that that gets anyone excited.

Personally, I'm quick to say Bryce is bad. I'm not quick to say he's a Bust. There's a difference. One says, even with a better support, he'll still be trash - aka - a bust. The other says, with a better support, he can be average - game manager type. Not worth the #1 and move up, but not a bust. We'll see what he ends up being.