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Bowles' clock management makes me thankful we had Ron Rivera's

Luvu legit keeps shutting me up every time I doubt him please lock him up Fitts.

dont know if i agree with that one chief

Who gave that lazy af tackle effort from behind at first

took 1 play to remember why i dislike keith immensely.

Our secondary being hurt and their receiving core being mostly healthy scares the poo out of me.

I am like 99% sure if Huddle posters saw what Titans fans had the last two weeks we'd be begging for P.J. again and still having the same QB discussions. There's projects, and then there's "I'm pretty sure this guy doesn't know the QB position"

I don't like Levis, at fugin' all rn. But if the coach and GM (not just Tep) likes him as well I wouldn't care. Dude has a cannon, dude can flick it, has more than functional mobility. If he's the pick he's the pick. I'mma root for him all the same.

1st & 3rd Quote - We'll likely resign him. I think he knows he needs us as much as we need him (even as a bridge) and if he doesn't stay or we don't keep him? That changes things. Absolutely QB becomes our biggest need because just Corral is asking for poo to go wrong. 2nd - Both these things might not be true -- although I expect them to be. Saints are still getting out of cap mess and have a lame duck coach with aging stars on defense and hurt ones on offense. Bucs...are probably gonna free fall. Falcons probably become more competitive next season but I don't think that it'll be too far ahead of us where we can compete. NFC is way too long to go case-by-case, but where I do see improvements for some teams (Lions, Hawks and Giants for example) I still don't see them being a case where we can't match them or compete with them. There's also only two teams I think maintain their elite presence (49ers and Eagles). 4th - Richardson is who I mentioned, but Levis is another prospect I woldn't mind taking a risk on at this point and hoping it hits, but Richardson is my preference. I know his situation (at least this year) at FL with his WRs getting hurt and the like, and as a passer I think there's things he does that he doesn't get a lot of credit for that I can see translating. He's gotten better (though it'd...be real hard not to improve on his numbers from last season) but it's still the NFL. It's very hard to improve as a passer, learn how to actually read progressions, improve mechanically all while getting used to how much smaller the room for error is at the NFL, and how many prospects STILL fall when they have much less to work on. And sure! You could sit him a season and start him in 2024, but if I'm looking at my starting 2024 QB...why not wait til 2024 to draft my QB? Even if I have to trade up? Even if it's not Maye or the USC kid man I'm bad w/ names. When I'm looking at Richardson I'm thinking abt how he can help in the 2023 season (which I do think is possible), like most any first round pick. 5th - I agree to an extent that it can buy you some time (couple of years is a wild stretch) but if the #1 reason you drafted the QB is to sell tickets and hope he hits, that's not good team building. 6th - And yes, we might go a different style next season but given what we have on this roster rn...it'd be kinda silly to go strongly against all those things. We can't play as aggressively whenever on defense. We have two good to solid pass rushers and one of them is not only in a contract year, but our best off ball LB. We can't play as conservatively because everyone not named Horn and Woods is suspect in coverage, and we don't have anyone but Burns who can pressure consistently, and even then his playstyle is entirely around speed. We still only have D.J. and our redzone offense is putrid, not to mention our starting HB is also in a contract year, so skill position is a major area that needs to be addressed and with WR contracts being NUTS rn its hard to find someone to compliment D.J., let alone supplant him. And Richardson, Darnold, whoever will still be a big ? at QB, so going pass heavy doesn't seem feasible especially if we only add some JAG and/or a back round Rook. In the immediate future, sticking to our strengths while we continue to try to build new ones is how we win. In fact, the two elite NFC teams do a lot similar. Good Defense, Strong O-line and run game to control the clock (w/ Philly they add in a lot of short/intermediate passes that gain a ton of RAC). Tennessee has also found success in this (though I think their window is closing and they fuged up massively. Henry older, oline bad now and traded A.J. Brown), and making it as easy for their QB as they can be by surrounding them with the best talents possible. I say this to say I do not expect by this time next year for this offense and style to look completely the same. I do however hope and expect these core values to be how we win next season. There's not enough sweeping enough moves we can make on the roster to change that, especially when it is a winning style of football in the NFL. If we want to contend we'll likely have to do more, but again I don't see us contending next year no matter what we do, so for now I'd think it would be best to focus on building our strengths not trying to craft a new identity. Even if it's not Wilkes, and I rly hope it's not, this should be the blueprint for the 2023 panthers, with focusing on how to improve it.

i'm not trying to wait for the best possible prospect though, if I were I wouldn't be okay with Richardson. I like Richardson because his ceiling is insanely high, and his running ability would stick like glue in our current offense. And if we didn't have Darnold -- Absolutely! There's no reason not to take the risk. But I also know his floor is insanely low and players rarely hit the highs they were expecting. And a bust at QB doesn't hurt me personally as a fan, poo happens, but I think it slams any potential winning in the future short, our rosters only gonna have more holes. However for a multitude of reasons -- NFCS is weak, NFC as a whole is pretty weak with abt two rly good teams and one team that has Justin Jefferson, and I don't know if Richardson will be the best prospect on the board when we pick when April rolls around even relative to our needs (this is of course with the caveat Darnold continues his steady play). I'm not wanting to wait just to wait, I just don't think that going in on a QB this year, especially ones who have shown massive inconsistency at the collegiate level -- is the only way to improve, even if both of them likely to be high up on my Panthers Draft Board as we get closer to April. In fact personally I don't think it's gonna matter poo for dick unless we get the coaching staff right to begin with (I rly, rly want Ryans from the 9ers). The brand new, shiny QB is the easiest way to put butts in seats, and for that reason I can absolutely see Tepper wanting a QB, but that's not the only way. Winning. Winning puts butts in seats. That's why nobody is showing up, we're not winning consistently. And while we still have two weeks to go for the first time in 4-ish years I feel like we have a roster built to do that going into the next year. I don't think we'll be able to compete next year, but win for sure. I just want the best available talent to be added to the roster that helps us continue to win with our current style - Clock Control, Pound the Rock, Build a Lead, Bring Pressure.

I think it was the other way around iirc, Gettleman was irked with Josh's agent, rescinded the tag, and then Josh replaced his agent.

Pittsburgh sucks but their D-line doesn't. Like do u think that if a team sucks they have no strengths?

I haven't watched the o-line vs the D-line in that game, but if I had to guess i'd say it stemmed from Cameron Heyward being a beast, and he's being flanked by Myles Jack and Devin Bush while he eats up blocks. So yes, the Lions have a much inferior D-line and LB core, but few have ones a strong as what Pitt has.

No, I don't mind taking a chance. Taking on Sam Darnold is a chance. The only reason i'm even entertaining this because it's Sam Darnold. If this was Kyle Allen or Teddy, like in the past where I thought the team can overcome the limitations of the QB (and even at the end of 2020, i was tired of Teddy) but because I think Sam has the ability to make throws that other QBs on second contracts can (I.E. Garoppolo and Tannehill) and he's shown that this year with the added caveat that he has shown growth in one of his crippling areas namely, his pocket presence has shown growth in wins and losses, when the offense is both on and off schedule, he's taken the sack, or stepped up and made the throw. On top of that, several throws Sam has made this year have been excellently well placed balls, namely ones to D.J. You seem to blame the offenses passing Limitations solely on Darnold, and while i think he's not infallible, i'm blaming the skill positions and scheme more here. It's not like Sam's missing wide open players or behind schedule, it's really the opposite, things aren't opening up. When we've asked Sam to do more, he's executed. If he continues this trend going forward, I'll continue to say this, and if he doesn't then i'll likely be more on the Richardson side of things. But right now this is entirely based on the risk that Sam can do more can play closer to that 1st round valuation (not top 3 maybe, but still 1st round) and help this team win. The reason I lean more towards Darnold is because the same things holding me back abt Richardson. We'll need coaching, they both still has a ways to go (and Richardson hasn't played a snap in the nfl), and our offensive supporting cast needs dire improvements or they'll continue to let the defense down. At least with Darnold we can use that first for a position of need, and in both outcomes we move on in 2024 that whichever QB we take can hopefully use.

I didn't want you to ignore it, I @'d you directly. Entirely because you do that thing where you vague rather than actually say what you think I'm saying to me. Shoe doesn't fit because I have no idea how I'll feel abt the QB situation in 2023-24 when we haven't even finished the fugin 2022 season, the season that is currently going on and the things in it impact my mindset. You're the one putting words in everyone's mouth because we don't agree that swinging for the fences is the only way to move forward.

Part of the reason is right. The Chiefs had Alex Smith for 3 years before that, and even played out the first year as the starter with Mahomes. All 4 years Alex Smith was the starter, The Chiefs were in the playoffs. Sam Darnold was drafted with the tools to be elite, Zach Wilsion had all the tools and measurables to be elite. I know how good Richardson can be, I think he's comparable to Terelle Pyror coming out of college, and Pyror had some QB success in the NFL, and its fair to say he'd have more now with how offenses are schemed up now. i have no qualms with if he's our guy. I'm actually lookin like a guy who thinks he can play sooner rather than later in our offense. That all said, I don't think it's the only path, and i also have quelled a lot of my concerns about the cons of taking Richardson. Either way I'd like to pay Sam -- he knows our players and at worst he's a bridge guy, and going in with a rookie and Corral isn't the best thing. But I also know there's dozens of other ways to add to the QB room, so even if Sam balls out to close the season and we don't retain him, I won't be too chaffed. Like I told linville, either way I don't see us not sucking next year. And i don't think it'd hurt to roll the dice on Sam. He stinks it up it's not like it really changes my valuation of the team.

It's real cute how you don't even have the decency to @ with your shade lmao. I have give you nothing but reasons for my thinking and how we should attack and you just spew poo you find on a poster.

No I won't be surprised if we suck next season. I think a combination of things have to be right to not suck and I'm not convinced we're gonna hit those things, both from an orginzational level and a players and execution level. One of these things, believe it or not is drafting Richardson and getting some offensive skill postion help through trades or FA (please god let us get Jeudy) and draft a solid HB in this years draft (it's a deep draft at HB, like actually deep not ppl just saying poo deep) and then best case, Richardsons natural gifts lets us play our ball control style of offense and let our defense play with a lead and aggressive so our weaknesses on defense aren't as apparent, and even then I think that'd be help with out division still being mostly poo rn. I just don't think that's the only way, and I think relying on Darnold has as many pros and cons for the immidate future (next 1-3 years) as drafting Richardson. But either way i don't think we won't not suck next year, realistically. We're the Panthers.

Yes...but why does the swinging need to be this year? Note i'm not saying it shouldn't. I like Richardson, he fits our run mindset that I think we can lower his floor at least a bit, and i do like his ceiling, but why does it need to be this year? If the bar for QB play rn in the NFC are the likes of Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott, why do we need to massively out class that rn? Whos to say we can't build a system to have our own Kirk Cousins or Dak Prescott? Like those are all great, cool and motivational things you're saying, but building a team and preparing to win is more than just Getting that guy. It's been working very poorly because our offense has been bad for 2 1/2 seasons. But why has it been bad? Teddy gave us consistent ball movement and great pocket presence to mask how truly poo our o-line was, but then we added Sam Darnold -- a guy who panicked under pressure -- and then put him behind a bad o-line. Then earlier this year we had P.J. Walker and Baker Mayfield as our QBs, but even then P.J. gave us at least an outline of how to be an offense. And now why is it working? Oline is filled out from left to right, pass protection isn't elite but its MILES ahead of the turnstiles they were for the better part of a decade (An issue on this team masked by Cam Newton and CMC). Darnold has shown progress in his development, he takes sacks knows how to go through his progression a little better, also taking what the defense gives him more, and honestly our coaching has improved. Not great but better than Rhule. Yes, we'll have to start paying these guys...but who else are we paying right now? And thats sure as fug not gonna change if we draft a QB. This one part of the reason people, or at least me, don't mind betting on Darnold next year -- showing progress and at a price where we might be able to lock him up at a decent rate. There's no such thing as a perfect roster, but you don't get better by adding a QB who has a high bust rate. A legit QB can make a lot of coaching staffs look better, sure. But that's not the only order these things effect one another. This is to say i'm not content with this team, but I don't think the only way we can be better than this season is swinging for the fences.

Disagree there. We're have one good WR, and he's not an elite guy. All the QBs rn that have success have a least one elite receiving threat, with guys like Herbert and Burrow (who I love, I think they're both worht of being called "elite" where QB play is rn across the league), and all offenses that are good have at least one elite playmaker that's good. We have neither, not saying a great QB can't elevate what we have, but that QB would have to be really good. Our pass rush is one player, and even then he's got a limited repertoire of power move, and is more reliant on speed moves which is easier to handle 1-on-1 unless you have elite bend, so unfortunately his skill set doesn't open up more for the Dline. There's a reason we blitz a lot, and that opens up Everyone but Horn and sometimes Djax and Woods is really suspect in coverage. And Djax has an achilles injury. Our LBs are bad in coverage, and our one great LB is really really bad in space. The combonation of these things makes us really suspectable to tempo changes -- our defense is at its worse when it has to react instead of predict -- and thats why sometimes start going on runs against us. Redzone offense has been abysmal. We once had Cam Newton, Mike Tolbert, Johnathan Stewart and Greg Olsen all on the same offense. We have none of that now and have done nothing to replace it really. And finally our run game! Our star player is in a contract year. Now I do think he needs us as much as we need him, but if he leaves this is a different offense, and while Foreman only has a couple of talents, he does them very well. We're either gonna have to pay him -- which takes up cap space to fill up other holes, or find a replacement to maintain this level of play. it's really not as simple as just get a QB, especially since to be a contender next year we'd need a rly good QB.

Sure! But why does it have to be this year when we have a team winning with middling QB play? Like if it's Stroud or god I keep forgetting his name but I'm too lazy to look it up from Alabama, sure it's like a no brainer, but Richardson or Levis? And honestly if we're a 6 win team in most other years and situations I'd agree with you, but I can't stress enough how poorly structured the rest of the NFC is. And again, we're only gonna have more holes if those QBs miss.

So QB purgatory. God you're whiney.

Exactly! It's a team sport! Tom Brady went to the Bucs because they were a good team marred by terrible QB play and mid tier coaching. Like the QB play cost them games. Adding a good QB makes them a playoff team, but adding Brady of all people made them a contender. Same with the Rams, already a good team, but with their focal point of their offense going down (Gurley) they needed more because with just Goff all they were was a playoff team. Stafford gave them verticality and veteran QB play. And then they still added pass rush because Stafford's play was...inconsistent at times. There's only one position on the field that can singlehandedly alter the trajectory of your franchise, but that's not the only way to have a good season. The addition of Tom Brady and Matthew Stafford to those teams put them over the edge, but that's not alone why they're champs.

Good news so you can check out next season: We are likely going to be in "QB purgatory" next season.

Yes, and all the bad QBs also had serious question marks coming out and they're bad. The point being is it's hard to find a Mahomes, Allen and Herbert. You have to go through loads of Mariotas, Tannehill, Goffs and those are top 10 picks that at least ended up having a decent carrer. After that you get into the Manuels, the Weedens, the Ponders of the NFL. Hell i seriously believe that there's at least 26 other franchises Allen lands on he's a bust. I'm not saying "You keep swinging" is wrong, but when a team has momentum, and you think that momentum is sustainable (in our case a shitty division and NFC in general) keep swinging can have damning effects on a team. We're not always gonna have this defense cheap. What talent we do have on offense is getting older. Soon what aren't holes will be holes again. Having a guy is important, but you brought up TLaw, but look at how awful he looked last year and not the trajectory he's on now -- and i don't even think Pederson's that great btw -- but it's night and day. Situation matters -- supporting cast to coaching. Add to that, look at Kyler and look and why DHop wanted out of Houston.