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Plausible contention is the injury mocking is what initiated Tepper's ire towards the fan and the heckling as the interception happened was the straw that broke the camel's neck. That or Tepper is trying to find the one slim excuse that could garner sympathy for him in the Panthers Org.

Saw this making the rounds on Panthers twitter. Maybe legit, maybe a bunch of poo. Do with this perspective what you will. "Team employee I know very well tells me Tepper threw the drink in response to the Jags fan heckling Marquis Haynes when he was concussed... "get the stretcher" type stuff and celebrating. A couple of FU's were exchanged, then Tepper threw his drink."

Bryce really only looked good one drive of a bad weather game vs atlanta and one half vs one of the worst secondaries in football. Am I concerned and worried? Yes. Bryce Young has done little to inspire hope this season. Hitching hope on the few times he's able to do the bare minimum at the QB position is fruitless. CJ Stroud went in just as bad of a situation as the Panthers yet he's balling out and in the playoffs. Young by comparison is much more into bust territory. Hope is that we ink a 1st overall and that the 2025 first OVR QB has the prototypical size and assets needed to be a franchise QB.

Stroud slinging it right in a spot to give his receiver a chance backpeddling. All star QB in the making.

CJ Stroud's footwork is precise and top level. Bryce Young's footwork looks like a sloppy child learning to walk for the first time.

I recall those hype videos the Panthers made before the season. How they all knew they needed to get it right with their pick. Well, they done fugged up. Texans are reaping the rewards of the best QB from the draft, and are knocking the door on the playoffs. Meanwhile, Panthers are the worst team in the NFL, and Bryce nowhere near Stroud's level of play.

Bryce Young could make that throw once in a blue moon. CJ Stroud makes that throw any given gameday.

Stroud has ROY locked. What a throw.

If he shows these past two weeks are more the norm, I'll be ready to get on the train. But to fully trust him, I'd like to see him continue it to next year and show this isn't taking advantage of a weak secondary and the elements. Hope to see more quality play these next two games and him building from there. I don't think he'll reach the point where it's clear cut he was the best value at #1, but the next best thing is for him to be a consistent top starter in the league. If he does that, I'll be happy, even if the value for getting him is never there. I've been burned by blind optimism in the past and with this team I'm learning to be more skeptical. I'd love to fully be on the Young train and I've loved what I've seen these past two weeks, but I just need consistency and a bigger repertoire of this play.

I genuinely forgot he was on this team. He's been invisible all season.

I recently saw this thread on the Panthers subreddit, and thought it was also worth discussing here. Tabor was pretty unconventional this weekend. Recognizing the elements at hand, he even planned for that. Rather than have Piñero at kickoff, he opted for Kamu Grugier-Hill to handle that. In the details, that allowed for an extra defender to take the field on a day where the elements were not favorable for normal kicking conditions. Squib kicking and ensuring coverage was sound was definitely a gameplan I don't think I've really seen emulated across the NFL. Additionally, calling the timeout during the first quarter to ensure the punt would not face the full wrath of the wind was also of interest. Found that to be a rather useful element in the conditions that they played in. All in all, I'd say I was rather pleased with Tabor's management and his touch on the special teams aspect of the game. Seemed like he was having his own fun coming up with these ideas and implementing them. Small details in the grand scheme of things, but in a game of inches, they may have made a difference.

Now imagine us having two extra first round picks from trading Burns that could get us Marvin Harrison Jr. next year for Levis to have fun with, and/or a pass rusher that actually can finish his pass rushes and stop the run.

And thus far, Bryce certainly is foul with his on field performance. We'll see how long this experiment lasts. For the sake of this franchise, I hope it ends before it blows up beyond repair.

That's a very solid response. Cam's worldview for game changer seems to rest in athleticism/maximizing talent in any situation, while game managers succeed only in a specific system and thereby are limited in that facet. Definitely a lot of variance in the definition of game changer vs game manager, and heck interpretation of such will obviously vary from person to person. Understandable there will be pushbacks with different perspectives. I definitely respect Cam Newton's opinion and agree for the most part, aside some of his examples.

I don't think he's advocating for Bill or anything. Just mentioned the contrast in experience he had in NE vs the clownshow under Rhule.

I'd like to think that in his framework, they excel from a system in which they are given easy choices as to what to do. Having playmakers and a framework that is more guided to make less mistakes is what I like to think Cam means when talking about system QBs, who need a better environment to excel. Not necessarily just dink and dunk. I will concur that Dak Prescott has played lights out and Cam shouldn't have dinged him as much for that. Sure, a chance in offensive approach helps and he has a great supporting cast, but he's arguably making plays out of structure and doing well with that as well.

Very interesting interview overall. Worth a watch to see just how dysfunctional this franchise has become under Tepper. Some interesting nuggets curtesy of twitter: In this context, Cam Newton reveals a startling revelation: Throughout McCaffrey's tenure here, he was never truly coached, and it seemed that the coaches never figured out how to properly coach him. Cam suggests that the situation in SF is much more beneficial to CMC, as the structure allows him to be healthier. However, in Carolina, it appeared that they ran him into the ground but never found a way to coach CMC to his full potential. Considering that CMC was here under Rivera and Rhule, it's very concerning that this franchise couldn't maximize CMC and learn how to handle him properly. Speaking of Rhule, Cam criticizes him harshly and highlights how much of a joke he is. In the first snippet, Cam talks about a situation where he came back to the team, and a certain QB was quite salty about it. Cam was flabbergasted at Darnold's reaction, implying that it was almost tantrum-like as he insisted on being the starter. Cam noted that this kind of discord was immature and concerning for locker room cohesion, as everyone should be playing as a team and not worrying about petty issues, especially when the decision is not theirs to make. Cam, being the veteran professional he is, called Rhule to mediate and explain the situation to Darnold and settle his thoughts. Turns out, this was likely the first time Rhule held Darnold accountable in some form, and Cam had to persuade the coach to do so. He goes on further in the next clip, emphasizing the difference between Belichick and Rhule. Rhule never attempted to connect deeply with his players, seemingly sticking to his own way and not delving into each player's personalities and thoughts. This disconnect was shocking to Cam, especially compared to his time with the Patriots. Behind the scenes, Bill often worked to connect with his players, taking the time to know them, their personalities, their lives, and their thoughts. He used that to create a cohesive team environment where everyone understood and connected with each other. This is a stark contrast with Rhule, and it's likely similar to a certain head coach who was recently fired. And then he talks about Tepper. Cam explains a bit about a hypothetical scenario where he's the Team President and what he'd do to leverage the situation. He highlights Tepper's failures and says he clearly came into the NFL out of his league, despite his success as a hedge fund manager. Oh, and he also explains how much of a dick Gettleman was about tie-gate: A lot to unpack from these snippets. In short, it wasn't Ron Rivera emphasizing ties, but all Dave Gettleman. He was a totalitarian douche who reveled in his way or the high way approach. Even back to the Superbowl, he pretty much forced his dress code and a variety of other crazy approaches. Ultimately worth a watch and listen. Good insights to this franchise and how much of a joke it was and currently is.

Sounds like just the QB Tepper loves!

Hell at this point Will Levis has shown more than Bryce has all season. Incredible end to that game.

Frankly any one of Stroud, Richardson or heck even Will Levis has shown more promise than Bryce has all season.

Reality is, Tepper was sold on him being the most ready, and he fell hook, line and sinker. He arguably has the lowest ceiling of all the top QBs drafted from the 2023 class, and the hope was his floor would still allow them to be competitive. As this season is showing, that expectation crashed and burned quite badly.

Some serious incredible foresight. Acknowledging Stroud would be the only good option and that all others would bum out.

Oh how right you are. EDIT: My god you literally hit the nail on the head with each post you had in here. All your predictions pretty much turned out exactly as you expected. From Kyler Jr. being bad to how any WR fitterer acquires being a dud, sheesh, that's incredible. At that time I was in asheville high on hopium, but damn you really saw through it all.

LOL. The hype machine will be rolling: The Past: It'll be a repeat of the same offseasons that we've had with new coaching coming in. For Rhule, we got hyped that he turned around a college program from ineptitude to somewhat competent. Forget his inexperience, obviously college coaches to the NFL was the way to go. We got excited about him bringing his yes men and him bringing a college level attitude to the table. Obviously this is a superbowl caliber coaching staff! He crumbles, so we go the opposite extreme with Reich. He's got so much experience, forget his lackluster offense in Indy! We get excited he's an offensive head coach, and then super excited he brought in guys with more experience in the staff. Obviously this is a Superbowl caliber coaching staff! The Present and Future: He crumbles, so now Tepper will aim for the Young McVay/Shanahan clone. Said clone is Shanahan's brainchild, he's got so much innovative ideas! Forget that the offense won't find any further WR talent in the offseason or draft, and especially forget that Bryce Young is bad. We get excited he's an innovative offensive head coach that promises he'll fix bryce. Obviously this is a Superbowl caliber coaching staff! This same tired song and dance towards flinging poo and hoping it sticks will continue. New coaching staffs won't fix the limitations Young inherently has and one offseason won't jumpstart this offense to the echelons of the 49ers. Shanahan wouldn't even be able to make gold out of this poo. The Panthers are a mess, they'll be bad in 2024, and unless Bryce Young somehow lucks into getting the second coming of Jerry Rice and Randy Moss at wideout, will continue to be bad. I have little hope for improvement, but the same offseason dance of false new toy hope will continue until proven otherwise.