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Foreman gashes us for 100+ while Miles Sanders - his "replacement" - doesn't sniff the field. DJ Moore says "lol" and has a career game against us. Gonna be ugly, I'd be shocked to see the Panthers pull off anything.

And I'll be the first to admit I was dead wrong. I had too much hopium with this staff and their experience. I took their bait hook line and sinker, thinking that they knew what they were doing. For all their experience, they've put together the worst team in the NFL. We have a QB who's shell shocked and needs just average NFL talent to shine. He is asked to make miracles every play, and he can't and it's killing his growth and frankly it's making him fall behind. Young has college film showing he can make good out of poo, last year is evidence of that. He took a subpar receiving group and oline and made them competitive in the collegiate realm. However, that's never what you want to ask your rookie to do when you're athletically limited. In addition, the complexity of the playbook is too much first year going in. Stroud's succeeding as the Texans are scheming to his strengths, opening up middle of the field views and largely having the playbook modernized and simplified where he can excell even with subpar talent. The Panthers have failed to accommodate Young similarly.

This. There's a ton of miscommunication that can largely be attributed to, well, trying to make grinders play finesse. Pretty much the whole o-line are out of their element. Reich's attempts at creating a WCO with an o-line that is not built for that is a tall order. For someone who claimed he'd fit the scheme to his personnel, well, he's doing a very poo job at it. From here, there are two options 1.) Reich admits his fault, revamps the playbook next year to tailor towards the strength of the o-line, which is power and downward movement vs lateral. Or 2.) Literally change up every olinemen to tailor to his WCO vision. Number 1 is hard but is very clearly the best option for the team if they want to start showing good stuff on offense. That may involve a coordinator change and Reich's influence being completely ripped away from the offense. Number 2 is nightmare scenario if Reich stays stubborn to his ways.

Last week Bryce Young played well and willed the Panthers to a win. This week he's unable to make miracles consistently for this poorly equipped team. Young's no Cam Newton and certainly is not on par with Stroud, but the cards are against him on this team. I question if Stroud could find success with this poo-show either.

Yeah some questionable decisions during that time. And I hate the lack of trying on 4th and 1, I get that sneaking out points is fine but scared me the Texans would catch up once the defense is gassed, and they nearly did and Bryce had to have a gamewinning drive.

I appreciate that post. Better perspective on your feelings and it's completely valid. I do think moreso the offense is heavily limited by personnel vs playcalling at this point. A transition period with WRs who can't block and yes, it is fair to criticize them meshing a lateral system for a power oline. I do think Brown showed better flashes vs Reich and should improve on it.

And Bryce Young was being pelted on all game against the Texans, and arguably was more pressured than Stroud. Stroud had a bad game, it happens, he's still a promising great rookie QB. It's okay to admit Bryce Young looked fantastic and showed a lot of promise today too, and that's who matters more.

Can vouch. Growl has been one of the more critical posters but super glad he's calling out the super extreme takes on the Young vs Stroud debate. Both will be great QBs, who cares. All that matters is Young is improving as the season goes on. Today, he showed plenty of improvement. Lots to be excited about.

Oh yeah Bryce was getting absolutely mauled all game. Far more than Stroud and prevailed. Bryce deserves plenty of credit for this win. His improvement has been super nice to watch.

Said new playcaller is literally in his first NFL game ever trying to make something out of the turds on OLine and WR. The amount of drops and the amount of sacks Bryce took, and he still won and prepped the Panthers for the game winning FG. Like Bryce, Brown will likely improve as the year goes on. We won for the first time this season. It may be one of the rare times it happens. There's plenty to be happy about with a dub.

He did. Bryce has always been improving week after week. Today he finally had results with a win in spite of pathetic oline and WR play

Stroud can't hit deep either question mark?

I thought 2017 would be the worst WR hands group in a while. Who knew that upgrades became downgrades this season lmao.

Mingo ugh

Blackshear and Chuba >>>> Sanders

Got slammed by a guy quite a bit smaller than him. He never finishes.

Haven't watched a full Panthers game since the Seahawks. Plainly didn't even watch the Lions nor the Dolphins game. I'll garner some attention to see if the Panthers make any meaningful improvements after the Bye. Maybe Thomas actually improves this abysmal offense when he's the playcaller? Doubtful though, but I'll watch and see if there's anything to actually be hopeful for.

One thing I have to admit, you've been beating the drum about Gettleman when most laughed at you. Now your very correct caution against this coaching staff and especially Fitterer is bearing fruit to probably the worst Panthers season thus far. Despite his faults, Hurney has done more good than any other GM Carolina has had. You've been on the dot with your analysis, and even more so this year.

Was in the same boat as you. Absolutely optimistic and thinking things would finally be different. Shame on the Panthers for crushing my hopes yet again. Today was the second game I haven't even tried to watch. Only saw a few moments on redzone but pretty indifferent, knowing there was no hope. Taking an observer role and disconnecting from the Panthers this year makes things a lot better. Lot of fun going around the league to waste on watching this franchise fail yet again. Apathy is the correct term to describe my feelings for this team.

Funny how putting Young in tempo and letting him run things looked 100x better than the huddles Reich calls. Then again, it was garbage time, but still. Reich's playcalling has been an abysmal mess.

Drake Maye would be QB1 in any other draft class and it wouldn't be close. What an incredible game from him.

Somewhere in the middle of this podcast. Definitely a great watch honestly.

I'm usually the most optimistic in any scenario. I hate being pessimistic, but right now seeing the Bears and how this team is now the worst in the league record wise and quality wise, it's a sinking ship of sorrow. I've never felt rock bottom as I do now for this team. It'll take a lot for me to trust in this team's future, and at this point I question if Reich truly is the guy to get it done, and moreso frustrated at Tepper's reign so far.

Frustrating. There's no one on offense that brings any level of excitement. Even the excitement of seeing Young's development is marred by the complete ineptitude he has from his "all star" coaching staff. Pathetic gameplans come gameday. Nothing that shows me that they're playing to Young's best traits, and everything to show they're trying to fit square pegs into round holes. The receivers can't separate, and Reich can't scheme around that. The Texans and Colts can, but for some reason Reich can't. Speaking of Colts, funny their offense is now much more exciting when Reich left. Wonder why... Pathetic. I've run out of the hopium they've injected into me this past offseason, and I'm tired.