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You give him weapons. At this point that's all you can do. Get some elite level talent on offense and hope he becomes serviceable. Goff shows benefits from a scheme and offense that elevates his play. Purdy is also a very good example of that. Young can be like that too. That is the only way the Panthers can salvage this team. That will never change the fact that the value we have given up for Young was not worth it and very idiotic. For the value of DJ Moore, 2024's first overall pick, to only get decent level play from your QB in the right conditions is pathetic. The value given up dictates that the return should include a QB who elevates the team around him. Young fails at that at the NFL level. Stroud or Richardson (for his short stint) have shown to elevate their conditions and would have been more worth it than Young's impact.

Time for me to eat crow. I've been an optimist for quite some time. Often, I'd look and find the positives of any pooshow and fit them to fit a narrative that there is hope. After 2015, I parroted 2016 as a year not one where Cam Newton regressed, but rather progressed in a sea of mediocrity. This year, I started out clamoring the belief that this coaching staff melded together a force to be reckoned with, and any preseason doomsday predictions was mere folly, hinging my bets that this "all-star coaching" staff merely did not play their cards and instead would unleash an ingenius offensive explosion in the regular season. Naysayers such as @LinvilleGorge were posters I ignored with regularity as the season went on, with myself holding onto faint hope that something would soon spark. Turns out, meshing together conflicting minds, despite their pedigree, does not ensure a well oiled machine. Instead, the team faltered in leadership, cohesion, and effectiveness, barreling their way to the 1-12 record they hold today. Dysfunction across the board, infighting and CYA attitudes flourished in the misery that is the 2023 Carolina Panthers. But even despite that, my optimism wanted to take hold in another form - fanaticism for our #1 overall pick that we've mortgaged the future for. Ignoring the red flags, I hyper-focused on the good. He made accurate throws and anticipated well at times. He seemed to progress through his reads at first. He scrambled well at certain other times too. These moments were instances in which I hyper-fixated on and believed that Young would build upon these and become the franchise QB this team desperately needs. Any failures or inadequacies on offense, I blamed on the situation. Without a doubt, these receivers are sub-par, and the offensive line horrid. The scheme was a terrible mesh all around for the personnel, and Young did not fit in Reich's mold whatsoever. And yes, the offensive system and personnel around Bryce are a problem. They are largely ineffective across all fronts. But, as the season went on and opportunities started presenting themselves more, I began to notice something. Despite bettering conditions, Young's play hasn't improved. His negatives continued, and reared its ugly head in today's game against the Saints. The Carolina Panthers have rushed for 200+ yards. That is an absolutely bonkers statline considering the offensive line and how the run game looked at the beginning of the year. This would normally result in a fair win. Instead, the offense could barely muster any points, and rather sputtered when Young was asked to be an NFL QB. You can argue about the flashes he's shown all you want and how he made this throw or did this thing in the pocket, but the crux of those flashes are simple expectations for an NFL starter. You'd hope they'd have accurate throws, be able to anticipate, and occasionally ad-lib when things break down. That is the bare minimum expectation, and celebrating normal events that NFL QBs do is like praising an adult for wiping his ass after a poo. "Congratulations Bryce Young, you did an NFL QB thing that any of the other 31 starters could do." And at one point, I was a part of that group praising Young for knowing how to flush a toilet. The bare basics were touted as positives. Let's be real: Bryce Young is not a UDFA or tryout type player. He is the number 1 overall pick. In addition, the Panthers have given up their future with the expectation Young would be their guy. As the number 1 overall pick, he makes quite a bit of money for a rookie, and the expectation is that he would progress to be better than the average. At a minimum, the expectation is to see flashes of top tier talent. His super-processor should allow him to elevate poor conditions and showcase ability to elevate the team around him. He is the #1 overall pick, he was drafted with that expectation in mind, and he is paid good money to be able to do just that. When the most common defense is "Young's team is so bad around him, that's why he's playing poorly," then expectation is that he'd take advantage of the rare opportunities that present themselves when WRs get open and the oline blocks decently. Today, those opportunities presented themselves, and Young poo the bed. He forgot to flush, he forgot to wipe his ass, and he downright wasted his opportunities and continued a worrying trend - he's not improving, but instead regressing even more. Regression after the pitiful start Young has had is quite something. The Falcons game showed early on Young misfiring deep shots to open WRs, and making mental errors on his interceptions to Bates. That can be excused as lack of cohesion with Young and his receivers, with the expectation he improves. He hasn't improved. He airballs wide open receivers to this day and fails to connect on the deep opportunities that present itself. He finally had a good run game going and deep shots were finally considered - he just outright missed those opportunities and looked as bad as he did downfield in week 1. His mechanics still sucks. He's shown mistakes in processing, and his throwing velocity sucks. His athletic limitations especially rear its ugly head with opposite hash sideline throws and downfield - defenders often keep up with the ball because they're in the NFL and are hyper-athletic freaks. Young's limitations and mistakes have cost this team games, rather than help them win games. He cannot elevate the team around him, but instead needs others to elevate him. That's fine if you're a bottom round pick, but the first overall pick should habe the ability to elevate the team around him and show flashes of greatness. It's week 14 and I haven't seen much to the that effect. Rather, I've seen too many bad habits continue and getting worse. In today's league, speed is everything, and noodle arm QBs with bad mechanics and poor athleticism will fall behind. Defenses are fast. Anticipation (guessing) is overrated and falls short when the arm talent isn't there. Those opposite hash throws Young attempts at times are downright awful in velocity and it's hilarious seeing defenders catch up to it. Bryce Young quacks like a bust, swims like a bust, and looks like a bust. He's probably a bust, and a failure for where he was drafted and the value given up for him. It's week 14. He was the number 1 overall pick that DJ Moore, 2024's #1 overall pick and more were traded for. He has shown more traits of being a bust instead of a success. Take off the rose colored glasses and acknowledge - this team fugged up, and Young is a part of the problem. He won't ever justify the value given up, nor even the standalone fact of being the #1 overall pick. His limitations lower his ceiling, and even if he finds his collegiate strengths, he'll fail to achieve anything more than being a middle of the pack QB at best. Maybe he'll improve when he gets a top tier oline and WR help. Sure, that's fine, and his play will henceworth hinge on making sure his surroundings are elite rather than hoping he'd be elite. That's not what you want out of a #1 overall pick, since even the likes of mr. irrelevant Brock Purdy can do that. As @electro's horse pointed out when I relinquished my fanaticism in Young, these are dark times indeed.

And therein lies the crux on why Bryce deserves a fair amount of criticism. I've been on the bandwagon of defending him in the past this season. He really is in a terrible spot and has clearly broken down. BUT, for fugs sake he's the #1 overall pick. Not just that, but one where this moron of a GM (and owner) decided to mortgage the future on. At this point, he should've shown stuff to rise against the adversity of the situation he's in for what the Panthers have given up. Frankly, any defense has been towards him showing flashes of what an NFL level starter is expected to do - anticipate throws and make them accurately. He's shown flashes of that basic stuff. He's shown zero ability otherwise at elevating this team. For what we've given up, he's supposed to be able to do that. I've excused him for the first half of the season. Now, there's no excuse for him to continue to be worse. He may end up a fine NFL starter, and I hope so. That chance is looking less likely, and his limitations - lack of athleticism and arm - clearly are showing its ugly rear head. It's looking like one of the worst deals this team has committed themselves to. Shooting themselves in the foot with a QB with clear athletic limitations in a league where that can kill a QB's potential. And with Young not even showing strengths in what should be his strengths (supah processor, super intelligent) I have little faith in him at this point.

Lol Panthers have broke Bryce. Dude cannot hit verticals. Even worse when now Mingo's starting to hit his stride and Young's trending the opposite direction. It's become a worrying trend from him. Hope he figures it out, because otherwise he'll downtrend further into bust territory at this rate.

Take a look at Philly's offense last night. Lack of pre-snap motion and anything that made Steichen's offense a staple. More or less it's now an offense with the goal of letting their talent overcome scheme, and such backfired against the 49ers. Shame the Panthers passed on Steichen for a dinosaur in Reich.

LMAO.

Safety would be on his way if Bryce throws there and would catch up. Safety's eyeing the QB and Young didn't show any intent to throw, so he was safe at the intermediate. Young would likely have thrown at that point if he was going for Mingo, and the safety would be well and ready to react and catch him.

Mingo would've been checked by the other safety in the backside. He wouldn't have the speed to outrun him. Bryce has deficiencies but he's in a lose lose situation with this anemic offense.

I don't see it happening. But if he does end up with the job, I'd just hope he doesn't sniff any GM duties. Because dear god, for his history of success, he's been extremely lucky that his awful draft day allocades were alleviated by TB12 and his defensive scheme. When TB12 left, the watergates blew open as his awful GM management finally caught up with him. He's a brilliant coach and he's had plenty of success. Just keep him away from GM duties and he'd probably bring about some form of success for the Panthers.

As others have said, Pederson was the brains behind the offense. Reich's job was to relay to the QB and essentially more hands off with playcalling. And, well, as this season has shown, he's out of his element both in design and practice. He seemingly showed zero ability to be effective when it comes to playcalling and coming up with innovative designs. His firing was well warranted. Whether you believe in Bryce Young or not, Reich did him no favors by being inflexible to Young's strengths, and the offense as a whole.

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Well we shall see how we do.

The Panthers are allergic to Clemson players. With that being said, he's not that good either.

I'll be at the game. Up in Nashville for Thanksgiving so figured I'd see this train-wreck in person.

Most likely to draw more eyes to the Eagles vs 49ers and not let it split with the Broncos - Texans

for all this experience they are very stubborn at sticking to a sinking ship in their playbook design. you'd think this experience would help them realize it's a lost cause and change it up. after all this experience should mean they're familiar with various different concepts. nah, instead they've duct taped themselves to the floor of this mariana trench bound ship.

that is also fair. this team is a downgrade objectively. but this team was touted as an upgrade across the board before the season. supposedly a complete oline with an upgraded wr group and an electric rb addition in sanders. it is wild for all the hype, they've looked worse in every facet. and yes fitterer deserves the boot first thing for constructing this poo show, but reich isn't helping either.

rhule sold us on snake oil but at least he made the team somewhat competent at times. even under him, they were slightly more disciplined than they are now (dbo sign for the win!). i've never seen a team unravel in one offseason to absolute gutter tier. it is past the midway point of the season and the offensive line keeps on getting miscommunication issues and straight up getting worse. bryce young still has little connection to any receiver outside theilen and still has timing/comfort issues with them. oh and frank reich's game management is also d league trash. like what in the fug, waste a timeout on a trash play and then kick a 59 yarder with a kicker who doesn't have a big leg? dysfunction everywhere. like no cohesion or anything. so much for an all star coaching staff of experience. all that for one of the worst teams in carolina history, if not THE worst.

Fitterer and Reich gone by tomorrow with Evero as interim and then promoted will make me happy.

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And any QB has had bad whiffs, doesn't make it a trend lmao.

I remember hearing somewhere this week that there's an argument to be made journeymen often are the best at being able to understand football concepts and are often more intelligent than starters in that regard due to picking up different playbooks. They may not be able to put it on the field the best (often due to physical/situational awareness limitations), but their football smarts are often pretty high.

Corbett and Bozeman getting beat double teaming is not a good look I'm appalled at just how incredible bad the oline has become in one year. Like from borderline elite to bottom of the league. Insane.

Young can throw deep. That's never been a concern. I could throw up plenty of clips from his collegiate film showing said deep ball. The reason he's not throwing deep now is because 1.) his receivers are inconsistent and unpredictable 2.) they're slow and can't separate reliably where Young can trust them and 3.) Young's got barely any time to even be able to hit deep balls if he could.

Bryce Young has zero chance to succeed in this offense and lack of talent. Frankly at this rate it may kill hos future. I have doubts even prime Peyton Manning would find success in this disaster of an offense. For those saying Young is a bust already just because CJ Stroud is showing out (props to him and he's the better QB at this point), well tell me which QB would succeed because there would be almost no one else who would. Young has his deficiencies, sure, but for crying out loud he's not getting a fair shot to even be able to do something. Expecting miracles every sunday is not how you develop a QB, and exactly how you ruin the progress of one. Reich should be charged with malpractice for this.