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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wonder if there's an injury issue going on that's limiting but isn't enough to list on the injury report? I mean no one seeing significant playing time is truly 100% at this point in the season. Everyone is banged up to some degree.

The fact he keeps getting abused makes me think something might be up. I am not buying he just suddenly is in this funk.

28 minutes ago, csx said:

He was top 3 vs Packers. 

I am not a PFF subscriber so I can't look at the game by game. IIRC, he has been on a bad streak of either "in a row" or "X out of the last Y."

I know it has dragged down his season PFF rating quite a bit.

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

Two bad grades in a row for horn

I think it's 3-4.

2 hours ago, Zaximus said:

Ooof @ Horn 

This has been what, 3-4 straight games of playing poorly?

Something ain't right.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pet Adam Schefter...

 

I refuse to pet Adam Schefter. 

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Why? Why does that invalidate everything else?

didn’t we just do this with him in 2024?

Pretty sure he means the 5th year option.

If he balls out the rest of the way and we win a few more, I am fine extending him to that 5th year option.

That's with the caveat that we have multiple options available at the position going into TC. 

That is a begrudgingly acceptable result.

29 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean I suppose if he doesnt revert back to the norm anything is possible, but the data simply says he is who he is.  And you cannot have that level of floor as a NFL qb.  You just cant.    I think the 5th is slated to be 30millionish so thats a hefty price for a guy like him.  I mean poo Brisset just went off yesterday as well and he is making 6 million.  It happens.   I just hope Tepper, dan and dave are fooled by it again like they were at the end of last season.

 

I will say for the 100th time, the qb room has to improve.   Cut dalton, sign a vet draft a guy.  

The amount of Brissett and the Joneses are getting should make us take a hard look at Dalton this offseason. 

Ask yourselves if you wouldn't pay literally double what Brissett and Mac Jones are getting paid just to have a reliable backup option.

2 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

Your criteria was who drafted worse QBs than Weinke/Clausen/Bryce. Weinke was a 4th round pick, so why is anything past the 2nd a stretch?

Yeah, that's what I mean. Weinke would probably have to be removed. Him stinking it up as a 4th rounder isn't really particularly abnormal. 

10 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

So yes, him having his best game as a pro was a big part, but besides that him doing it while injured, while coming back into the game is a big difference.  Yea he has come back and played in games when injured...but he also in those cases have come back in and stunk up the joint like so many times he has in the past and THAT is what makes it different.  

I mean, I am not in the heads of every one of his teammates but I would wager the ability to play through an injury does inspire confidence but probably not as much as the ability to put up the performance he did yesterday. If he would do that more, injured or healthy, I am pretty sure his teammates would definitely have a ton of faith in him.

Which, for all we know they always have. We aren't intimately familiar with the general thoughts of his teammates nor probably will we ever be. 

This is just one of those speculative things that I don't tend to argue to vehemently about or even put much stock in simply because the unknowns are massive and the knowns are very small. There is anecdotal evidence in the way of public comments or teammate body language(which is very interpretive anyway) but aside from that the public is almost always very shielded from the true thoughts on specific players. 

Winning and playing well seems to cure all the ails. Hopefully that just continues and this isn't really a debate at all.

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Fewer than half of Bryce's passes last game were within 5 yards of the LoS. May only have been 1/3rd even. He's guilty of what you say in many games but he was going down field much more last game. If a receiver is settling into a spot in zone coverage down field that isn't a check down...

On his career(not including yesterday), Bryce is about 55-60% of his total attempts being less than 10 yards from the LOS. I can get the exact percentage, if you want.

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think deep in the fan sense matters much, honestly. I still think he needs to be able to consistently place passes well up to 20 yards and that's what is more critical. He did that yesterday - he was basically 7/11 on passes 15-25 yards and that's good enough that it also opens up passes all over the rest of the field. In week 10 he was 1/2 in that range; week 9 2/3 with an int; week 7 he was 0/4. 

Anyway we need more of that... He needs to be stressing defenses past the sticks for us to open up the rest of the offense.

I believe for his career his lowest efficiency area targeted is 10-20 yards. Not by a ton but I do believe it is his worst area of the field. 

Not great for a game managery style QB. You are correct, this is the area he must improve dramatically. 

9 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

Poo , all you want, but damn.. This game done cemented Bryce as Panthers Qb for atleast another 3 years...  

Bryce apologists will state this game in the annals of time.  Do I hate Bryce,  no , but reliving the last 3 years for another 3.. will probably lose me as a Panthers fan...

I hope he can be who fans on here think he is. I'm glad we won, but at what cost to Panthers future?

On what planet do you think this one game will net Bryce a lengthy contract extension? 

We still haven't even decided on his 5th year option yet. 

I would hope we have an at least basic level of competency in our Front Office(debatable, I know) that we wouldn't have a Huddle-esque knee jerk reaction that translated into immediate contract extension.

If you see us pick up his 5th year option this week and/or sign him to a contract extension in the next week or two, then you may be correct that we are that stupid.

The far more likely scenario is that we let the rest of the season play out and then make the next decision necessary on his future here.

Just now, electro's horse said:

Do you think a check down is considered a read by nfl coaches 

That depends on the factors involved. Quite a few of the shorter passes that we do throw the "check down" is one of the first 1-2 reads. One could argue that could be because of Bryce but that's really almost impossible for us to know without Dave Canales essentially telling us that directly. 

1 minute ago, Carolina Cajun said:

yesterday was finally the day I've waited for.  He became the leader.  He was given a Captain patch from the day he walked in the building even with him NEVER having done anything.  Yea he did the right things, he high fived everyone as they came off the field, he was a supportive guy but that doesnt make you a leader.  Those a good qualities for a leader, but that doesnt make you a leader.

Yesterday, coming out with a reaggravation of that ankle injury, then coming back in and delivering THAT performance WHILE injured...thats the kind of thing that elevates the play of those around them and THATS what a leader does.  Its the stuff Cam did constantly.  You saw him run over 2-3 guys get banged up then get right back in the huddle and go, and that elevates the people around you.  When Bryce is going out and performing at a high level while injured, guys go "I will be willing to take that shot across the middle" or "I will fight for that extra yard".  For the first time in the Bryce Young era, he became the leader he has to be for the team to win.

I don't think there was anything particularly that he did that made him better as a leader than just play very well. He has played very well before. 

In terms of leading by "example" or "play" than I suppose this was one of his best performances. 

In terms of playing through injuries or getting banged up....he has also done that before too. 

It's the play and/or results that were outside the norm, not really any of the other aspects. He's been a leader, he's been a cheerleader(for his teammates), he's come back from in game injuries, etc. He didn't do anything particularly new other than execute well. That's basically all he has ever really been lacking.

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

/year three

No no the deep passes are coming, I swear, honestly, just give it more time

You sound like one of my patients in the ED for the fourth time this year telling me their abusive husband just needs more time and is ready to change 

I don't really think he nor the DC offense is going to be a consistent 20+ yard targeting offense. We just don't run that kind of offense. In fact, Bryce has never really been in an offense that strayed too far from basic West Coast principles in his NFL career.

So, the lack of deep targets can't really be placed completely on his shoulders. It's easy to individually blame him for missing reads deep, which he has over and over. But, I would wager that if you really broke down those "missed reads" in detail that the deep target misses wouldn't stand out statistically. Just a hunch, I have no details on that at all.

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

He was much better in the 10-20 yard range than he's been lately. If he can consistently nail throws in that window the deep cahcnes will come and honestly it won't matter how well he does on them. 

Massively so. He had a 136.46 QB Rating in the 10-20 area on Sunday. That has been his least efficient area of passing on the season with a 59.8 QB Rating prior to yesterday. It's been even less efficient than his 20+ yard attempts.

17 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

He isn't perfect but I had him as my #1 WR in that class for a reason. 

For the record, Bryce attempted only three 20+ passes Sunday. That is moderately better than his 2.22/Game 2025 average and his 2.73/Game career average(not including Sunday). 

I wouldn't say the "deep ball" was the reason he succeeded yesterday. It accounted for only 65 yds and 1 TD of his 448 yds and 3 TD's. 

He was just better in almost every aspect. It was the 2nd highest QB rating of his NFL career.

Recap

- Baltimore's fake tush push was pure genius.

- I hate Denver intensely. The more they win, the more I hate them.

- Dillon Gabriel is arguably the NFL's worst QB. 

- Shadeur Sanders is worse than Dillon Gabriel.

- Aaron Glenn is a complete idiot.

- Sam Darnold celebrated his return to the NFL. 

- The people trying to jettison Brock Purdy got pretty quiet. He is actually better than Mac Jones, albeit not by enough to justify that contract difference.

- fug Aaron Rodgers.

- JJ McCarthy is quickly descending to Dillon Gabriel/Justin Fields depths of QB play. His alter ego "Nine" might be the remaining games he has as Vikings starter at this rate.

- Trevor Lawrence still sucks.

- Stock way up for Jacoby Brissett on the Panthers Veteran QB We Should Pursue in the 2026 Free Agency. If he can be obtained at a reasonable price, he would be a massive upgrade over Andy Dalton. Mariota and Winston are lesser options but potentially cheaper. 

6 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

It is absurd, and frustrating. He's very young and I think that plays into some of it. The dome helps. And of course he does seem to have another gear he can turn on at moments. 

I don't understand why he doesn't always play with focus and intensity that allows him to make up for physical deficiencies. Like you said, we can't wait half seasons for decent play.

You have to give a lot of credit to the opponent too. They really gave him all the opportunities in the world for a very highly ranked(or formerly) passing defense. 

On paper, their gameplan should have worked as it largely mirrored what New Orleans did and they have a substantially stronger pass defense than the Saints. 

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

He's playing for his Panthers future and the team's success this year. We are still, insanely, in the hunt for the division.

One great game won't open up running lanes. SF will force him to do it again. 

Yesterday was a fun watch. If he can keep pulling off performances even close to that, I'll be happy. It only gets harder from here.

Yeah, hopefully the confidence keeps rising like we saw at the end of last year. 

Again, as others have said, one thing that can't continue is to piss away half a season before it starts clicking. I really don't care how good he can be in second halves of the season if he just can never get off the ground in the first halves of every season.

When you see games like yesterday, it makes you even more frustrated that we can't get this more often. Frankly, it's so rare that it's absurd. 

I think anything aside from like 0-3 wins was probably going to allow Dave to go into 2026 as the head coach. Obviously, a lot would depend on what this season looked like but I would imagine at this point he is very safe headed into 2026. Even if(more likely when) the wheels fall off the rest of the way out, I suspect Tepper will want to see another offseason cycle with Dave at the helm. 

There could obviously be things that happen that change that in the remaining games but I don't think those are likely outcomes anymore.

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

I wouldn't question Richardson's toughness, but he does seem remarkably injury prone.

I would question his toughness pretty considerably after removing himself from a game because he was tired. That's about as baby soft as you can get as an NFL QB.

But I do understand your point is that toughness isn't durability. That's more so what I was talking about, was durability. 

Echoing the things many others have said, what I wanted to see what an "answer" to the QB question coming into this season and with the 5th year option looming this offseason.

That was an insane game by Bryce, literally what we had all hoped to get from him when we traded up to get him. Kudos to him for that performance, it literally was franchise history.

But....this has to keep happening. Not franchise history but good games. You can't have 1-3 of these each season. That's not a franchise QB, that's Ryan Fitzpatrick. 

We have the toughest stretch of our entire season coming up, it's going to basically be put up or shut up time for Bryce. He's probably playing for his Panthers future.

8 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

You consider 16 points and 102 passing yards (with an INT) good?

I honestly think this guy lost a bet or something. Either that or is a sock account. His posts are somewhat perplexing.