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9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I hate that happened. He tried to play through it to help his team with a playoff push and its gonna end up costing him tens of millions of dollars. He'll probably be signing another one or two year deal to prove he can comeback from it instead of either getting tagged next year or signing a big extension. Just sucks, but ultimately he'll be just fine financially after all that money he fleeced the Giants out of.

It also REALLY fugs up the Colts future plans. 

Garrett may break the NFL record today. Lol

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They're cooked. Daniel Jones tore his Achilles trying to play through a fractured bone in his leg. That's just awful, especially with him on a one year deal.

It really sucks. It was nice to see his career resurgence there.

32 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is what everyone doesn'tseem to understand...

...or doesn't want to accept  

I think it's easier to accept some sort of alternate scenario that doesn't involve realizing your coaching staff and front office is just plain stupid.

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Which was my point. And entrenched starter can lose his job due to extremely poor play and Bryce has had literally the worst QB play in the NFL since being drafted. He hasn't even had to face a remotely capable QB in camp and he's being kept starter for some other reason than performance after 3 years. I'd call that coddling. 

I don't think it's coddling, I think it's straight denial.

Riley Leonard absolutely cannot get the Jags defenders to accept these INT's he is throwing.

So Anthony Richardson is the 3rd stringer in Indy?

Woof. Have to assume they move on from him in the offseason.

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Jones just tore his achilles

poo, I missed it. Did he get carted off?

Was "Nine" the career starts before a good one from JJ McCarthy?

1 minute ago, Sup said:

That's a legitimate question. I think two things here.

One, I think there is a recognition it was a mistake to roll with Dalton as the only other QB. At a total minimum I am certain Dalton will be but there and a real backup brought in. Could be a vet Mariota or Winston or could be younger upside guy like Howell or Lance. But I'd bet anything that will happen.

Two, the better we are the more obvious it is that we could be legit if we had a good QB. When we sucked it was easy to give Bryce a pass and let him grow as a passer. Times have changed. We could make a playoff run with just decent QB play. We will either sign Jones or throw darts to see what we get.

Last, Tepper may like Bryce and want to protect his ego for drafting him, but you don't make a billion without being cold blooded when necessary. Canales and Morgan aren't dumb. They will tell Tepper at a minimum we need real competition, and he will pitch Bryce to the side if he thinks it means a shot at getting to the SB.

Too many people here (not you) think that because Bryce has been protected that will go on forever. It won't.

I think you are making a lot of assumptions based on what we the fans see and putting that on our FO and coaching staff. Those two groups haven't really impressed me very much in the ability to recognize personnel and roster flaws in a timely fashion.

If I had to guess, I would be we are going to find out that a pretty big chunk of that same FO and coaching staff are very bullish on moving forward in 2026 with Bryce. 

Believe me, I hope I am wrong but I think the wins have them ignoring the obvious situation. 

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Listen to this non-answer on ND/Miami. This dude is getting fuging grilled and he's very uncomfortable. He's trying to muddy the waters constantly bringing up BYU like that's relevant. LOL

The answer here is honestly just saying "Listen, we screwed up having ND ahead of Miami in the rankings all along. Miami beat ND head to head and it shouldn't have taken us until the final buzzer to acknowledge that."

It doesn't logically make sense that Notre Dame is left out if you had them ranked ahead Miami last week.

Per usual, it has nothing to do with "who is better than who" its purely politics and money that decides college football playoffs, bowls, etc.

There is no justification because they are essentially admitting their previous rankings were bunk.

1 minute ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

As I tell my team at work, "hope isn't a strategy".

What strategy is involved in casually watching football games, may I ask?

23 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Since you don't believe in stats there's no way to have a rational discussion. Statistically, across all metrics that measure a QBs performance, for 3 years, Bryce has been the worst starter in the NFL. Where in any other sport, does the worst player in the league at his position play for 3 years without ever facing one day of competition for his job? 

And you're right, the Bucs aren't going to tell Baker that. He already knows it. It's the NFL. The highest level of football in the world. Not. For. Long. He already knows if he isn't the best QB on the team, chances are high that he could and should be replaced. Any competent coach/GM would do it or they could lose their job. 

But since you've said starters are entrenched, backups who've taken the starters job

Brady from Bledsoe

Romo from Bledsoe

Dak from Romo

R. Wilson from Matt Flynn

Hurts from Wentz

Kaepernick from Smith

Cousins from RG3

Tannehill from Marriota

Warner from Green

And a little closer to home

Delhomme from Rodney Peete.

There's a few

 

I mean he isn't really wrong in a certain sense. Usually jobs are attached to big QB decisions(coaching or FO) so it's less likely for an entrenched starter to lose that job unless it is by some other factor(extremely poor play, contract situation, coaching/FO change/direction, etc).

If the FO or coaching staff think they have their QB, they aren't likely to give another QB a serious shot unless the situation can threaten their jobs. 

The NFL is still about winning but personnel decisions can still end up being a bit beauracratic or certainly political. 

We see it even on the current team outside of Bryce.

11 minutes ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

Dear Oregon and Ole Miss, 

Please beat the dogpiss out of James Madison and Tulane (again for Ole Miss), so the CFP can change this rule and stop this mockery of letting these junior varsity teams in the CFP. 

Sincerely Yours, 

Football Fans

Disagree. I hope JMU and Tulane win.

I will never, ever, ever root for an SEC or Big Ten team over anyone after the way they ruined college athletics.

4 minutes ago, Butterflyj30 said:

I think we have to root for the Saints to beat the Bucs Today

Yeah, I hate em both but it's what is best.

32 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

He isn’t in any of the HC conversations this year but he was a couple of years ago. I can see Tepper trying to resign him due to the improvement this season and wanting the 3rd round picks if he gets hired somewhere else.

The coaching candidates are weak as hell this year, Evero may think he has a chance at a job or can backfill a DC of a contender if they leave for a HC job. 
 

BUT this also gives Dave and Dan an opportunity to bring in their guy, so will be interesting to see.

Yeah, I think after Bryce the Evero situation is the most interesting one for us headed into the offseason. 

44 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

And in fairness, Robinson looked brutal last year however he looks like a legit decent starter, and I think its because he benefits from having DB next to him as opposed to what he had last year.  I think A'Shawn is showing to be a decent D-Lineman, but hes also far from dominant so as long as he has 1 on 1 he holds his own and does his job, where as last year because we were so bad he was doubled and focused a lot.

That said, Turk...woof.  He was brought in to provide pass rush...and he doesnt.  He gets blown up in run plays too...hes just bad.  Defense is better when Bobby Brown is in the game because even though he doesnt provide pass rush, hes MUCH better against the run.  

And even Brown has been more disappointing than I expected. I was more amped about that signing than Wharton. He has been fairly middling, TBH.

24 minutes ago, PanthersATL said:

If he stays or if he leaves, do you think it'd be a Dan/Dave decision, or (let's hope not) would Tepper have a hand in that say-so?

(Still on the hopeful "tepper has been staying out of football operations" train) 

I don't know how much it will be anyone's decision inside the organization. It's basically all on Evero. His contract is up. If he wants to return, then it will come down to if an offer is made to him.

I would assume that would be a Tepper decision because he was the one who hired him. 

Just now, HPPantherzfan said:

Well part of that is the fact that it’s a bunch of old guys in a room with opinions that the rest of us have to live with.  The playoffs are supposed to be the best teams.  Is JMU one of the best 12 teams?  No.  Is Tulane one of the best 12 teams?  No.  ND, Miami and Vandy should be in it.  They have to get a system where it’s not opinions.

The rules are the rules. Is it fair that a 7-9 Panthers team gets in the playoffs over other NFC teams with winning records??

I mean...we still won the division, right?

Random old men didn't decide that the five top ranked conference champions would get automatic bids....the fuging conferences agreed to that format.

Also, I am gonna point out that 100% of ALL COLLEGE FOOTBALL RANKINGS are 100% OPINION BASED. 

There has never been anything but opinions that dictate college football champions. It's has been that way since it's literal inception.

Again, it's why it is so criminally stupid as a "sport."

4 minutes ago, csx said:

It's beyond pathetic. 

And then if the ACC were to change the rules to suit the "aggrieved" parties, a couple of years from now they would be crying about those same changes that now went against them again.

It will be fun to see one of the Notre Dame, Alabama and Miami fanbases absolutely losing their poo by this afternoon.

There is no logic behind Miami suddenly jumping Notre Dame, so they seem pretty safe. It's going to come down to how far Alabama falls in the rankings. 

Anything is possible with the rampant corruption in college football.

1 hour ago, Sup said:

I think you're going to be surprised by what happens this offseason then. yeah, maybe they pick up the 5th year option. But there is no way they're going to roll into 26 with only Bryce as a legitimate QB. And if he loses the job in camp or preseason, he loses it. The comparison to Mayfield is a huge stretch. Mayfield is a good QB, Bryce is not.

I mean.....we have basically been Bryce or bust recently. We currently have both Bryce and Dalton under contract for 2026.

Are you that sure we are going to switch that up? You are aware the other QB's we have had on the roster and PS during Bryce's career have been Jack Plummer, Hendon Hooker, Mike White, and Jake Luton?

Does that seem very serious about upgrading to you?

1 minute ago, Bama Panther said:

I get that Bama should take a hit for losing to FSU. That’s why they dropped after at loss and had to work their way back up. However, why are we arguing about losses instead of who teams best. That’s insane to me. 

It's all on the table when crybaby time comes around during college football/basketball season.

It's funny that this rarely happens in professional sports because they all know the rules and follow them.

The NFL has some wild tiebreaker rules too once you get deep into them, down to a literal coin toss(not making this up). Yet....rarely crybaby poo like this annual cycle that whatever form of the BCS/Playoffs/Newspaper national champion there is.

It's genuinely why I hate college football fans so much. Lowest common denominator in major US sports. Anything doesn't go their way and it's a parade of crying and excuses.

1 hour ago, CmC2k said:

We definitely overpaid but as long as he's not lined up at NT he's been a starter level player which is a major step in the right direction compared to last year's D-line. 

Because of his contract he'll definitely be here next year, but I fully expect him to be a cap casualty next offseason.  We'd save 15M in cap space if we cut him in 2027. I don't think he sees year 3 of his deal.

I'd be open to keeping him around in 2027 but his deal would have to be reworked to a substantially lower number. 

The issue is that he is significantly worse than Robinson, who was far, far, far cheaper.

12 hours ago, 07579394 said:

Plan B of Milton Williams.

Yeah, I was wrong about paying him that money. Dude has absolutely been worth it.

Wharton was a panic signing on a bad deal.