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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd add the possibility of the Raiders. Literally zero chance the Saints would swap Shough for Bryce and if they would I'd leave Bryce in N.O. on Sunday.

I don't think the Raiders actually would. Geno has been bad but we have seen how terrible Bryce is with bad pressure issues. 

Bryce would actually be a downgrade in terms of ball security there.

It's possible, though. 

8 minutes ago, jtm said:

I understand that the Panthers likely want to be very conservative with his recovery, but it is concerning that Brooks isn't doing full speed cuts after a year.  There is no rhyme or reason why some players get hurt all the time while others don't.  Also, some guys come back from injury with zero side effects and others are never the same.  I'm pulling for him, but this doesn't seem like a Thomas Davis kind of ending.  

No and Davis was an outlier. Most players don't recover from two ACL injuries.

For it to happen before his career even gets off the ground is even worse.

I do feel bad for the kid, it's a terrible thing to have a potentially promising career go this way.

1 minute ago, jtm said:

Rookies often come out hot and then they struggle once more tape is out on them.  Let's see what this kids does the rest of the year and next year.  I'm no NFL scout, but he does seem to be calm and in control of the offense which is a big deal for a rookie.    

He's also 26 so he has more general game experience than a lot of rookies.

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

To win a game tomorrow? Or factoring in looking beyond the now. 

so if I’m the Jets, I view Tyrod as better than Bryce to win a game tomorrow.  But if you are looking at anything besides that, no reason not to play over Taylor just to see if Bryce looked different away and if you thought you could do what all teams think they can do with other people’s QBs 

Tyrod is currently injured, though.

3 hours ago, csx said:

Hunt hasn't yet been designated to have practice window open.  I dont think he plays any more thos season.

 

"He's getting closer," Canales stated. "We're not gonna open up his window this week. But he's getting closer, he's getting stronger and would love to see him back at some point over this next stretch."

I hope we don't rush him back, even in the middle of a playoff push. Not worth losing him for next season too.

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't care that they're sitting out the bowl game. Yeah, I'm gonna make fun of them for it but I honestly don't care. What I care about is all the special status treatment they get from everyone from the CFP to the ACC to the media. fug all of that. Just treat them like every other team in the country and if they don't like it then tell them to go fug off.

The rest of college football holds way more power combined than ND, it's not even close but they act like ND holds the cards. If the rest of college football told them to fug off and stopped scheduling them it would cause minimal overall drop off to college football as a whole while ND football would die very quickly. What are they gonna do, play community colleges? All the real players are gonna hit the portal and ND would be fielding a team of Rudy's in short order, viewership would fall off because no one wants to watch Rudy's play community colleges, the TV contracts would disappear and ND football would be dead.

That's exactly what needs to happen. The rest of college football needs to band together on this one and tell them stop, no more of this bullshit. No more special treatment. The same standards that apply to everyone else apply to you and if you don't like it then you can just stomp off and take your ball and go home... again. Just forever this time.

College football has zero ability to work together, they are too busy trying actively to rip each others throats out and destroy each others programs. They even do it inside their own conferences, especially the biggest conferences.

It's why they are ultimately doomed.

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Well if you want the bowl games to collapse faster sure.

I couldn't care less if they do. There are entirely too many in the first place.

9 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Interesting topic on the upgrade discussion...list all the teams you think would start bryce over their current QB room right now?

Possibles(although not definites):

Jets

Browns

Colts(injury related only)

Vikings

Saints or Falcons is an arguable take but I am very doubtful they would swap their challenging QB situations for ours.

5 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Offensively Young cant sleepwalk or look like a deer in the headlights 

he does tend to be hesitant and uneven with pressure

he cannot go into his shell   No slow starts

so same offensive formula that beat the rams. The Saints defense is still good but they are long in the tooth and they will tire   

defensively, gap integrity and i would  do man vs zone

i would also have a spy on NO QB, he likes to run, make him pay 

btw, this team is ascending with Kellen as HC  and his  26 year old rookie qb

if you cant beat the Saints, take your seat at the kiddies table 

I think that is another problem with Bryce, he has to gain his confidence every game, seemingly. 

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

No I meant if you opt out of the postseason, you shouldn't be playoff eligible the next season.  I didn't mean that it would be a requirement to qualify the previous year.

Eh....this isn't the first time this has happened. The Big 12 fined two teams for doing this, which is more understandable because they share that money in the conference.

There is really no harm to ND doing this other than some potential loss in revenue from a TV partner like ESPN. None of us should care about that at all.

Just now, 3838 said:

...flexed to sunday night"?

I for one hope it dosen't. The Panthers are a regional team (both Carolinas), some local affilates outside of the immediate Charlotte area may not simulcast. If it's to be "flexed" make it a 4:00pm stars so more can watch locally.

Sunday Night is a national broadcast. 

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You should have to play in the bowl game to be eligible for next year's CFP.  Its that simple.

In a bowl game? That would basically eliminate any one year turnaround teams. Not very fair.

Notre Dame isn't hurting anyone but themselves. There should be no outrage over that.

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Renfrow is just sort of a 1 of 1 on the roster.  No real comparable.  If you ask him to play like others he will be lesser.  You have to want to do what he does.  That was never the Canales O nor did it suit with Bryce. 

I think there usage/development of Jimmy Horn has really stunk.  It's like they had one gimmick and then that was it.  Outside of that really random ball he caught early on.  But, scheming up gimmick Jimmy Horn plays is probably a bad use of a pass down given what our O is.  Really just need to keep it basic.  Progression should be Tmac, Coker and probably RB in the pass game as the big 3 pass options.  

 

I don't think the usage of Horn is bad, it's basically taking one of your top 2-3 YAC guys and putting him in a position to make people miss.

Is it the best for his overall WR reps? No but it's a crowded WR room for not very many good or efficient targets being delivered. 

If we had a higher efficiency, higher volume passing offense then Renfrow would have a lot more uses. He could be that David Moore role from last year of finding open areas while the defense is keying in on the better WR's.

But, we are also kidding ourselves if we think prime Renfrow is ever coming back. He is a shell of his former self and its unlikely he will ever return to that form.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I love college football and generally enjoy it even more than the NFL but it is undeniably a mess right now with this NIL and transfer portal stuff and the whole ND thing is just beyond absurd. I know NFL fans bitched about the Pats for years and then the Chiefs for years about how they got special treatment but honestly most of that was just about the media and announcers dick riding them and a perceived friendly call here and there. They didn't get to not have to play in a conference, have their own special individual rep to lobby in their behalf when no other team does, nor literally get special clauses just for them to create a different standard for qualifying for the playoffs. And ND fans really have the nerve to take about a bias against ND? Well, no poo. If you don't hate ND you're not paying any attention.

It has always been a drastically inferior product to professional football because the backbone of it is intended to be an unfair, fixed system. Always has been but it has gotten worse in the Super TV contract era.

Even though the product should(and has) gotten better with the NIL and free agency, they go and ruin it again with the profiteering that destroys entire conferences. 

I think when the inevitable happens of a smaller super conference(or super conferences) group that basically plays a different level of sport, that should be the thing that likely sets it on the NASCAR course of steep decline.

7 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

There's just not that many meaningful games the last week.  We'd probably be the only game that was straight up for a divisional championship.

I was looking at the schedules and for this scenario to play out we need the tie breaker against Tampa.  So we would need to beat Seattle the week before as well.  But if we sweep Tampa then its moot.

Hey, at this point, just happy to be here.

I do want to rob Tampa and end their streak, though. That would be perfect.

3 hours ago, CRA said:

I mean, as a Renfrow guy I would like to see him. 

BUT, Renfrow serves no purpose outside of this year.  Is he a better WR than Horn today at actually playing? Easily.  But Bryce Young's ball placement is bad (the tiny WR seems to really highlight that) and Renfrow's best game is really carving up areas of the field Bryce Young can't see well.  

The argument that developing Jimmy Horn makes more sense but they aren't developing him.  They seemed to quit that the week he got activated lol and he runs the same 3 plays on repeat (which is good for about 2 weeks in the NFL). 

I think we saw enough to know Renfrow still has it and if paired with a surgical quick game he would have had a nice role somewhere (but that ain't us).  

Renfrow is only getting targeted with catches he is just simply unable to make. He is getting the AT balls. He is not a contested catch WR.

Horn is more valuable in our offense because he adds an element that doesn't really exist with our other WR's. He is a speedy, agile guy that we can use to get a lot of YAC on these screens and glorified running plays. So he has tremendous value in that role. As a pure WR he is clearly not as refined as Renfrow. 

Renfrow also isn't nearly as good as Coker at most aspects of his role. 

He is on the bench because he is a redundant, less useful player in some regards. Especially when we don't have a "point guard" at QB like we were supposed to. Bryce doesn't exactly spread the ball around and definitely not efficiently.

8 hours ago, mav1234 said:

ND is single handedly making me less interested in college football. It's gross to promise a team a spot like that. If they want in the playoffs join a conference or keep sitting on the sidelines.

The loss of the Pac 12 was the moment for me. If I watch the playoffs, it will be to look at specific NFL prospects.

That's mostly my reason to watch any of it anymore.

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

The last game of the year will absolutely be flexed if its essentially an NFC South title match

Maybe. I would prefer it just doesn't happen at all. 

Our history on prime time is rough.

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Stats aside anyone watching the games can clearly see we’re not seeing much high level QB play across the league.  Mahomes, Allen, Burrow - nobody’s dominating 

Those QB's aren't playing poorly, though. They are just on team having a dip in success for various reasons. 

I am not sure I would use one data point(an incomplete one at that) and claim QB's are no longer important.

Especially when you consider the video game stats that the QB's of the best two teams in the NFL currently have put up.

1 hour ago, csx said:

Burrow

Oh, there are more.

That's just someone who has zero idea about who was drafted and when.

There are 18 current NFL starting QB's that were drafted in that timespan.

1 minute ago, Donald LaFell said:

I hope they don’t rush him back or let him come back too soon. 

If they do, it will be a massive contract flushed down the toilet. 

There is no valid reason to bring him back. Him returning gives us our 2nd best OL combination, IMO. I believe Corbett is more of a drop off from Mays moving to center than the drop off from Hunt to Corbett at OG.

Not using that to say Hunt isn't very good but Corbett at C is atrocious.

6 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Hurts is the best of the QBs drafted in the 2020s too. Hurts and Herbert show us the sad state of QBs in the NFL this decade.

On what planet is Hurts the best QB drafted from 2020-2025?? poo, what galaxy?

7 hours ago, strato said:

Worse than that you shouldn’t have a job. If you do they are looking for a way out. 
Seriously, This season I see three games. Dallas Atlanta LA Rams.  There are 10 other games of not so great. Why don’t people see this? 

Hopium is a hellava drug.

Anyone sold on Bryce at this point is just being willfully ignorant. 

Not saying with 100% certainty that he won't pan out at some point but I don't think we have the luxury of waiting another 4-6 seasons for that to happen, if that were even a possibility.

Mays, Horn and Moehrig back are a big deal. The LB's....eh....not that relevant.

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's better than half the starters in an offense that tailors to his limited skill set.

I mean, I'm gonna be honest here... I honestly think the Eagles would be better off with say a Dak Prescott. They'd be a fuging PROBLEM with a Dak Prescott. Imagine Dak throwing to those receivers leaning on Saquan and that defense. The Eagles' D has definitely tailed off a bit this year compared to recent years but they're still the #7 scoring defense in the league vs. #31 that Dak and company have to try to offset every week.

Hurts is probably in that tier 2 of NFL QB's and arguably a Tier 3 guy. 

Ironically, his biggest advantages to a team built like Philly are his legs and him being such a conservative QB's that he keeps TO's very low. So, basically a running game manager. To his credit, he has a 2.4:1 TD:INT ratio. He is also a very accurate passer at almost 65% career completion percentage.

So, basically what you want Bryce to be as a successful game managing QB(minus the running).