kungfoodude

So....it doesn't work two straight times....why not a third?

Not smart.

How many teams can afford to be down a top 5 TE and WR and still be competitive?

I am insanely jealous at the wealth of talent the Lions have amassed. 

Boy, these are some hellaciously bad calls in this game.

27 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Classic weakness, the Fox,Rivera Rod too loyal to aging stars....

I'm not sure who would be available thats actually an upgrade over Kooch/Bussi.

 

And for once we are in complete agreement, its not just the #s its the eye test, his lateral movement and reactions seem to be appreciably slower.....  I know we still don't have Slavin but at this point Kochetkov should be getting the majority of the starts hes hot right now and wise choice is ride him while he is.

I think Kochetkov is hurt at the moment. That's anothet concern. He hasn't been able to stay healthy.

Goff is out of sorts again. 2nd time in the last 3 games this has happened and he fell apart.

I am honestly never sure how good a QB Love is.

Good games almost across the board.

A Thanksgiving rarity.

12 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

His lateral movement is very very slow this year.... get him moving side to side and he cant get back in time to cover.

I know. It's not just the stats, it's the eye test too.

He dropped off some last year but I think the end is nigh.

12 minutes ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

It’s now or never for Koochie. Freddie is flirting with a .7s save %.  Father times gets all athletes. 

Yeah, at worst, you find out that you need to go shopping before the trade deadline.

9 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

He should get less starts

I am perplexed he hasn't had that already.

This is Rod's true weakness as a coach. He really has a tough time managing goaltenders well. I know he gets poo for other things(largely unfairly, IMO) but he really is bad at this.

...that we may officially have a Freddie problem?

It's a long season, to be sure but he is currently overwhelmingly the worst goalie statistically on the roster and in the midst of the worst statistical season of his NHL career in traditional stats, advanced stats and metrics. 

So, what is the solution? Bench him for Kochetkov? Start looking at trade options? 

I know it's hard to believe but there is worse QB play in the NFL currently.

Cam Ward

Dillon Gabriel(could be done)

JJ McCarthy

Justin Fields(appears to be done)

It's really been quite the year for insanely terrible QB play. IDK about historic but it seems to be far worse at the bottom of the league than I recall.

5 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

This^

The squandering of a genuinely good haul of draft picks was abysmal. 

Scott Fitterer.

1 minute ago, Gapanthersfan said:

I think the team circumstances are different than when Canales was hired. The roster was almost completely void of legit nfl talent AND nobody was going to want anything to do with Bryce. The season went exactly as it was supposed to. 

It’s different now. Half of the starters are actual legit good nfl players who would start on most other rosters. Good o line. Great RBs and stud WR1.  Rapidly improving defense. The team is a couple offseasons away and a journeyman QB away from being very competitive. Moreover, you can rack up a lot more wins in the NFC South than any other division in football so it’s an easier road to the playoffs. You’ve got to fade Tepper, but with the talent infusion, the job is a lot more attractive of HC candidates. 

At this point I see Canales as a bridge coach who has basically been nothing more than a placeholder to fall on his pocket knife for BY. There is no way on God’s green earth anyone in the locker room respects him after that BS on Monday night.

The only apprehension I have with wanting him gone is starting yet another coaching cycle change, but it is different this time around. 

 

Half of the roster?

We don't even have half of the starters that would start on most NFL teams. 

I also bristle at the idea of a "bridge" coach. That's letting Tepper off easy when it was juat plainly a bad fuging hire.

Especially when you have guys like Ben Johnson and Shane Steichen that aren't struggling this way.

fug him. He is a 49er now, a team I despise.

Same thing I said about Cam on the Pats.

I don't look wistfully at him and wish. He wouldn't have mattered a single bit in the susequent years since he left. 

Now Baker Mayfield.....that one hurts. 

12 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

You may have a good point.

If you are throwing games to spite someone or don't have the "power" to bench players, you aren't a good head coach.

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It happened while I was in college. Freshman and sophomore year my dorm TV was in ESPN pretty much 24/7. It was either live sports or a constant cycle of SportsCenter. Cool. I'm down. Then came Around the Horn and the network very quickly became just shows of random idiots yelling at each other. It was entertaining at first but the novelty of it wore off very quickly first me and it went from entertaining to annoying very quickly.

It panders to the lowest common denominators of humanity and then consistent watching ropes more dopes into it.

Think about how infurating it would be to have someone that was constantly like that in your personal life? Just spinning up and yelling about poo they didn't really even GAF about just to get a rise out of you? The IRL version of internet trolling is not pleasant to be around. 

But, people consume this all day long via TV, anti-social media, etc. 

8 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

Most of you guys would be worse than Tepper if you were owners.  He is 2/3rds of the way through his second season and we are half a game behind the division lead and have more wins than we have had in years.   Has Canales done some dumb things?  1000%  he has.  Has he outcoached some coaches that are really good?  Definitely, especially this season.  All young coaches make mistakes and stupid decisions and have to gain experience.  You cant just fire an inexperienced coach every year and a half Tepper wannabes.

I actually disagree. As many morons as the Huddle has, it's very hard to be as grossly incompetent as David Tepper has been.

I don't care if we fire Canales or not. He will get that accomplished himself soon enough without any Huddle input at all.

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

For a completely washed Dalton with a busted thumb on his throwing hand? Morgan fugged Dave.  Dave might suck.  But he is fugged at the QB spot from the jump this year with nowhere to go.  So going to Dalton doesn't do anything but set Dave up to look bad. 

I mean, Hubbard should of started over Rico to start the season.  I get the switch wasn't flawless but I sort of get that being a little muddy.  Hubbard is probably the actual leader on that O.  That's a tough pull.  

I think Canales is in a really tough spot.  We fug it all up.  The right path was moving on from Bryce after 2 weeks into the Canales era.  They almost had it right.   We should of never gone into this season w/ Bryce it was always going to be a pointless mess.   

I think Dave is in a can't win situation.   Playing to win has a lot of bad in the big picture.  Not hiding Bryce is bad.   He has no real option to bench Bryce.  

 

Canales isn't in a tough spot that he didn't choose and he consistently makes it tougher on himself. His problems are almost all his own doing. 

If he "can't" bench Bryce then he is an abysmal head coach. Name a single head coach that is such a boot licking company man that he willingly causes the team to lose that isn't unemployed?

If the conspiracies are true about Tepper(or Morgan) pulling the Bryce strings, it makes Canales look far, far worse, not better.

5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Why? They won't run one let alone both. Normally I would agree but not with this crew and not when looking at the oline cap issue they are walking into in the offseason. They have that man on the cheap and still won't keep leaning on him. Damn waste

Hence the second paragraph. Stop being stupid is my message to the coaching staff.

This poo is not as complex as they seem to want us to believe.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, it's just not for me. The whole screaming hot takes version of sports media is just incredibly played out. It's lazy and boring and I don't know why anyone is still tuning into it. 

Sports media actually became unwatchable at a pace that was substantially faster than traditional news media. It was wild to see.

I generally blame ESPN overall. They started this BS that everyone copies now.

But, the real ultimate blame goes to the viewers. Any of these people that watch this First Take hogwash or Stephen A. Bayless nonsense are the reason we get this crap. If you stopped watching this fuging fake drivel, none of us with a functioning brain would have to put up with it.

2 minutes ago, Sup said:

I hate conspiracy thinking, but I have a hard time rejecting this idea. It's either that or Canales is the stupidest coach the NFL has seen in a long time, and while I don't know if he's a good coach, I don't think he's that stupid. 

Of course, like somebody else suggested he might have gone along with it for the opposite reason, to prove that Bryce can't do it so Canales can have a fair shot next year without him.

Either way, it's pretty clear that Tepper is going to have to have the idea that Bryce sucks pounded in his head a hundred times.

Even if the conspiracy is true, that makes Canales a bad head coach. If you have to simp to the whims of the least knowledgeable person in the entire organization(David Tepper) then what fuging good are you?

How is that a real coach at all?

16 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I would rather pay him than Hubbard but I still doubt they cough up enough to keep him and Hubbard. If Rico is smart he eill get paid and pick a contender. 

It's not mystery. It's been DC's MO since he became an OC. He wants to pass first and it puts him into a corner when he neglects the running game too much. Add in the Young drama and it just looks worse than his usual. 

I mean, pay em both, IDGAF. IF we plan on continuing to be a power rushing offense. And, maybe actually act like that for once?

All this schizophrenic game planning(or really just piss poor) is infuriating. I get that this team isn't good. Believe me, we all get that. But when you have opportunities to beat teams, do what it takes to win. Not be considerate of people's feelings or worry about being fair or what it looks like to do X, Y or Z. 

Win. The. fuging. Game.

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don’t think Canales has a lot of real big support at all.   I think his “supporters” are at the most extreme really just luke warm at best with him.  

but Bryce Young is his QB.  Bryce made the John Fox of offensive coaching Frank Reich look unqualified to coach a 8 year old girls rec flag football team. 

Then bench him. Or don't make him the centerpiece of the offense(literally from his own mouth) in a very winnable game.

Canales offensive personnel management is absolutely abysmal. We see it over and over. Corbett starting over Mays at C(or starting at C at all), Chuba over Rico for "reasons", Bryce over anyone for "reasons."

It's constant. XL, Coker, Sanders, Horn Jr., Evans, etc, etc.

He is an a below average coach with bottom 2-3 personnel evaluation capabilities.

21 minutes ago, strato said:

I see your level of annoyance. I just don’t see the same level of commitment to the cause.  
I don’t know who is a 100% go down with the ship Canales stan.
 

You might think I am because I try to be patient about it but you would be wrong. 

I always look up the ladder in professional sports. 

The longer problems persist the fault is usually:

1. Ownership 

2. Front Office

3. Coaching

4. Players

Canales shows himself to be a weak link in this chain of weak links far too often.

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

Money makes people do foolish things but with Hubbard already getting paid I don't see it happening from any angle. 

He damn sure isn't giving this team a discount. Plus the text leads me to think he is already looking forward forward

I am fine paying him some money. We literally built that offense to be a power rushing offense.

So, why we suddenly go pass happy is a fuging mystery to me.

20 minutes ago, strato said:

No way.  People that support Bryce are entrenched and rabid.  It isn’t the same level of commitment.  
You can be equally annoyed but those two groups are not equally invested.  
I have or had other valid reasons for not wanting Canales prematurely fired. We have had a revolving door of coordinators, GMs, HCs for too long and I think we are seeing the benefits of continuity in the development of some of these younger players and the draft process that acquires them. 
I am really not a big personal fan of Canales.  I was never a fan of getting an Offensive minded flavor of the week coach whether it was Canales or any other trendy play caller pick.

I also think I understand how huge the job is and know his experience level makes it a given that there will be frequent missteps. 
I made a policy of way more patience than I naturally possess in the case of Morgan and Canales.

But I am not riding Canales to the bottom while blaming he doesn’t have this or that.

I have felt that I would like to see him get another QB before folding on him, because I wouldn’t wish Bryce on anybody. 
 

At the same time some poo is wearing thin. 

 

This is kind of what I mean. It's the sams parade of excuses Bryce has gotten. They are just +1 years ahead.

This is where basically everyone is going to be about Canales next season.