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Just now, ThPantherFan said:

Probably so.  Well, they would deserve it.

Eh....not sure that but I don't think they will be realistic options.

It would be nice but unlikely.

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think he can because we have a ready made backup option.

DL Coach Todd Wash was on staff with Canales back in Seattle. He's got 30 years of coaching experience including five as defensive coordinator in Jacksonville.

He could also have Morgan get in touch with some of his old colleagues (Leslie Frazier among them). And of course there's likely Pete Carroll... 

Who knows the options? I am just saying Evero likely has all the leverage here.

2 hours ago, NorthTryon said:

I never said anything about Jonathan Mingo bud. You keep bringing his name up for some reason. But real quick, how's that Derrick Brown dismissal in the aforementioned timeframe working out for ya? 

About the same as your XL fanboyism is.

Get that TMJ jersey out for the next game.

1 minute ago, NorthTryon said:

I'm not going to continue to derail this man's DB appreciation thread. I'll keep hoping our players get better and you just keep dismissing them before they even play half of their first contract. I just prefer to wait a tad longer than one, one and half seasons before declaring people complete busts. 

Fair enough. I also prefer to call a player what they are.

But, I'm sure your faith in Jonathan Mingo will be rewarded in the XFL.

1 minute ago, NorthTryon said:

Wow, you really were mad about that weren't you? I just said you may be wrong. You instantly resorted to name calling and just down right nastiness. Wow, and I thought you were one of the more sensible posters here. See, I was wrong there wasn't I? I just needed to wait until we had the right difference in point of view for you to turn into a total schmuck and give a schmuck response. 

Understand, you were one of those guys. Thanks for confirming.

But, by all means, continue to be wrong about "WR's just needing more time" despite literally the past 10+ years of draft data indicating otherwise.

6 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

Boy, you really have a hard on for this guy don't you? I was merely pointing out where the negativity and bust talk is at this point in Panthers' fandom. It is pointed at XL right now. You were wrong about DB, and you may be wrong here. But I guess you wouldn't be Shonuff if you didn't do with the confidence of a three year old wearing a Batman t-shirt. 

The difference is that I am not a coward that will conveniently "forget" or deny all the times I was wrong like people like yourself.

Oddly, I was very right about TMac, Funchess, TMJ and Mingo.  

Let me guess, you thought those last three "just needed more time." If fact, were you one of the lightspeed idiots that said we would regret trading Mingo to the Cowboys? I seem to recall you were.

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He may not actually be under contract next season.

I'd have to look him up, but info on coaching contracts is not easy to find. 

Looked into it and this is the last year of his deal.

I would be very surprised if he either doesn't leave or completely bends them over a barrel on a contract extension.

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

the team that drafted him washed their hands of him after 3 years.  Bryce would get chances after Carolina.  But Fieldswill be 1 year stops until teams just admit he is at best a backup.  

Fields is even weirder than Bryce.  He is ever so slightly more efficient and individually productive than Bryce but call it a push.  Both are basically these one read QBs that can't really play and make reads into zone.  But Fields forever has some legit elite physical tools (his legs) that people keep wishing would allow them to solve the puzzle. 

for me, Bryce, Fields, and those types fall below even the Mitch Trubisky tier.  Which is a young dude w/ no reality of being more than a middle tier QB but actually is one (while the others are below bottom tier). 

They are all ultimately backup tier QB's, at best.

My assertion is that Fields is worse than Bryce BECAUSE of those insane physical abilities but I have beaten that horse plenty enough.

Chicago was smart to move on after three seasons while Fields had a tiny amount of value. I suspect Bryce will not have that when/if we decide to move him.

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He may not actually be under contract next season.

I'd have to look him up, but info on coaching contracts is not easy to find. 

I think that is what he is saying, he may be gone anyway.

48 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

 

Nope, they have the pitchforks out and torches lit for XL. Yet another guy in his second season who is the worst Panther to put on a jersey due to him not being another player they wanted to draft, didn't hit the ground running like a Jamar Chase, and any positives(blocking/getting open/running off coverage), are looked at as general nothing burgers. Even though traditionally a WR takes till year three to get it, according to huddle opinions, they should find an exit strategy now. 

You mean minus about the last 10 years of the NFL and WR's?

This is old school WR mentality when it definitely was true that rookie WR's took a considerable amount of time to adjust.

This isn't that time period. 

Unless you are still waiting because Funchess, TMJ and Mingo "just haven't been given enough time yet."

14 minutes ago, scratched said:

What would we think about drafting Kenyon Sadiq, TE out of Oregon in 1st? 

Depends on draft position.

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

Fields really didn’t.  He got the same.  3 years.  Bears said no more.  Now he is a one year bounce around guy.

Fields and Bryce are the same tier QB.  

No, he has gotten chance after chance after chance. Did you forget his two year, $40 mil starting QB contract this past offseason.

He has gotten three different starting QB opportunities.

I am assuming those will eventually end, although the continuance of those is wild.

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Lady Cowboy Fan thought we should have drafted Levis.

He was a guy I saw right through. 

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

It can be fun for some recreational purposes. 

Not too worried about SkyNet taking over anytime soon, though.

(especially if SkyNet tries running on Windows)

I don't find it fun because I see companies using it to get rid of people. I don't find that very fun at all.

Go to San Francisco and see for yourself.

1 minute ago, CRA said:

What you were told about Bryce is over the last 3 seasons he has been the worst….which is really a statement about QBs who also have played over the past 3 seasons. 

did someone like Anthony Richardson play within that window and was worse?  Yeah.   Those guys you can name worse had their opportunity taken away or have yet to be given in the league long enough to even have to opportunity 

The only one on my list who has been given far more chances is Fields.

I suspect Bryce will not be given that sort of leash in his post-Panthers career.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fields...oy

I still remember people pulling heavily for us to draft Fields. 

(Lance too)

I wasn't down on Fields or Lance(actually liked Lance a lot) but they ended up not panning out. Fields continued chances are utterly perplexing. 

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hope not, but it wouldn't exactly be the first time.

Those are rarer cases. It's just simple logic, the agent wants a big deal so their cut is better but to cut off their noses to spite their faces is counterproductive.

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I asked AI imaging to reproduce a picture of some of my budgies.

What I got was an image of some kind of weird, unearthly budgie / conure / macaw hybrid

Current AI is fuging atrocious for 99% of the uses the average person uses it for.

For researchers with limited data sets they feed it to analyze based on criteria fed to them by actual intelligent human beings, it can be extremely useful.

It's not useful in the ridiculously ineffective ways that most will use them.

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I was assured that was Bryce

Have heard that Tagovailoa and JJ McCarthy among others aren't exactly setting the world on fire this season either.

No, if you look there are a few QB's very obviously worse than Bryce. Gabriel, Justin Fields, Anthony Richardson, JJ McCarthy.

Those guys are really, really bad.

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

wasn't he like co-starter with Drew Hensen most of his last season.  It was some weird alternate QB thing going on at Michigan.  I don't know, I just googled and co-pilot spit out 10.  I don't think it qualifies as 2 legit seasons at Michgian though but maybe it is more than that AI spit out.  Going for the quick and easy has given me 3 different numbers lol. 

 

Yeah, literally never trust that horseshit.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

But still, it's Cleveland

I don't claim to have seen all that much of Gabriel this year (not enough of a masochist to watch Browns games) but the "Factory of Sadness" is one of the league's funniest running gags to me

Would be great if we could have a "Marvel What If" type of thing for football. I'd ask what would have happened if Tom Brady had been drafted by the Browns. 

I have seen a fair amount of him.

He is the worst active QB in the NFL. It's impressive how bad he is.

12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Tepper did him dirty 2 years ago,  EE hasnt forgotten

So this is the equivalent of his contract year, so to speak?

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

The Panther GOAT probably had 14 division 1 starts

The NFL GOAT I think had like 10 starts in college. 

football is just a weird.  But outside of the most extreme outliers....you know after 2-3 years of opportunity if someone is special or not.  If you are debating at the end of year 3 if they are even a middle tier game manager? Well, that puzzle got solved. 

Brady was a two season starter in college.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tom-brady-1/gamelog/

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Also my take...

Mind you, what common sense tells him and what his agent tells him aren't necessarily in the same realm

I don't think his agent is going to say a bunch of crazy poo. They are just going to look at the market and attempt to get the best deal.

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well to be fair, Dillon Gabriel is being asked to succeed in Cleveland

Yeah, which is actually pretty loaded with talent. 

Gabriel is fuging awful. He's the poorest man's version of Chad Pennington imanginable.