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1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

That was an extreme suckage tax I suspect the tax will be slightly less after us likely barely missing the playoffs and a winnign season (9-8)

We will see but I rather doubt it.

He is a home town guy, though.

3 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

What teams don't pay the suckage tax?  I feel like everyone "overpays" for everyone.  Do you think Brown and Horn would have gotten less in the open market?

Bad teams always pay more. It's just generally the history of what happens.

4 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Please do not rush him back if he is not completely healthy. Don't need him screwing up his biceps again and missing games next year also...

That being said, would definitely be nice having him back at RG. Although I do think Curhen has been pretty solid and was a good find off of the Cardinal's practice squad

Curhen has performed both well and absolutely terrible.

Ideally we get a real NFL caliber OG in there when Corbett slides back over.

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Kinda crazy how little we are talking about Icky this season. He will be heading into the final 5th year option of his contract, meaning he will likely be getting a contract extension this offseason.

He’s having a career season. He’s had only 3 penalties in 13 games, a large drop from the 11-12 he’s averaged in prior years. His impact in the run game is still massive, while still being average at best in pass protection. Either way he’s been the best LT the Panthers have fielded since Jordan Gross and it’s a no-brainer to re-sign him. But at what cost? He will command a hefty price. 

If you look at Brown and Horn's contracts, expect to pay above what he is likely actually worth. This is the Panthers suckage tax.

Ultimately, much like Derrick Brown, he has steadily improved over time and that's what you want out of your young first round draft picks.

He was one of the biggest and most important question marks coming into the season and he has answered it conclusively. He is "the guy" at LT.

Great news, one less position of extreme importance to have to attempt to remedy.

Keep in mind that Baker does have a fuged up AC joint.

Also keep in mind Evans is about to return.

How about don't rush a very expensive player recovering from a bicep tear back?

Just get Mays healthy and Corbett is a very good OG.

Just now, PantherChris said:

I mean 30-40 Years ago that was a requirement..   

Crazy because they are both pretty damn good but won't last long because they have zero self preservation....

I agree on the RB but not Dart. He does not impress me.

I am not convinced Dart is actually better than Wilson/Winston.

I think he is just not old is all people care about.

Just now, PantherChris said:

Oooof just now 

His career will be short.

IDK how they got a dumb QB and dumb RB in the same draft with zero regards for their own careers or safeties. 

Same little fuger that torched us.

Just now, Jackie Lee said:

Dart already taking a head shot

Jaxon Derp

He does some exceptionally stupid things regarding keeping himself safe.

Tough game.

I intensely hate the Pats and I generally dislike the Giants.

Burns and Philips wiping each other out of a sure sack was pure comedy.

These are also two of the least penalized teams in the NFL.

Rams: 4.3 Penalties/GM, 35.5 Penalty  Yds/Gm

Against Us: 1 for 5 Yds

49ers: 5.6 Penaltiea/GM, 41.6 Penalty Yds/Gm

Against Us: 2 for 6 Yds

https://www.nflpenalties.com/

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well, in 2 seasons….how legit fug it deep balls have been offered to him?  So, like the one thing we basically drafted him to be….isn’t on the table to really even gauge.  

but look, I’m just BSing with XL in this thread.  Who the Panthers need to move on from is clear.   2 weak links on O are Bryce and XL.   We basically got the rest in place 

Still need a C too, IMO. Draft someone, for fug's sake. It's about time.

1 minute ago, CRA said:

One place a raw dude like XL isn’t going to fit at all…..is paired with a weak QB that needs QB friendly WRs.  I mean, when we drafted him it was constantly talked about how he didn’t fit with Bryce.   Would he maybe fit a fug it all chuck it deep O? That would be about it for XL.  Let the big boy have time to run downfield and let the raw tools do what they do.  

we overdrafted a raw WR for the Canales O but one that would be paired with a QB who didn’t fit eithe lt him or the O.  Results are as expected IMO. 

He really doesn't do anything well is the issue. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I’ve been talking about the Panthers and putting things that don’t fit together for so many years at this point.  Fit is more than half the battle in the NFL.  Yet here we are acting confused. 

 

I think the issue is that being a player that lacks a lot of fundamentals isn't going to fit just about anywhere. 

He's a project player being given two seasons worth of starting opportunities. 

That was stupid in the first place. He shouldn't have been drafted where he was to start with and if we did pick him up where he should have been drafted(4th round or later) then he should be developing largely on the bench. Sort of like Horn, Tremayne, etc. Down the depth chart so we can have an impactful and productive player playing.

3 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

Let's hope XL has a good agent that can find another NFL team willing to trade for him in the off season.

I am not to the point of moving him yet, unless there is a valid replacement. I think that is something we need to move forward with. Once he reaches the Adonai Mitchell point of basically being pushed down the depth chart, then I would say to move him. 

26 minutes ago, Car123 said:

We’d have more patience if he had a few 150 yard games or a 200 + yard game. Bryce has had some elite games unlike XL. I still believe XL can be a major contributor.

In 24 career starts he has had at least 55 yards receiving 4 times. He has never had a 100 yard receiving game yet. 

For Terrace Marshall Jr, he has had 17 career starts and also has accomplished this 4 times. Never has a 100 yard receiving game.

For Jonathan Mingo, he has had 20 career starts and also has accomplished this 3 times. Never has a 100 yard receiving game. 

For Devin Funchess, he had 41 career starts and also has accomplished this 17 times. He has had 2 100 yard receiving games.

I can keep going or isolate for Carolina only, if you want.

My overall point being that XL has been remarkably ineffective while having tremendously more opportunities to produce than most of the other bust WR's that he resembles in our franchise history.

For all the Bryce excuses that get thrown out, this guy gets the #2 spot on that list. There is no excuse for him being as bad as he has been, while other WR's with as many or less opportunities in his same situation are producing better.

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Yea I think you know my feelings on XL and you are right the number of WR misses recently and even in the past by the Panthers is truly among the highest mistakes. 

Again XL doesn't have to be a #1, that's Tmac and I think he's already there.....Just be a 16th ranked #2 guy, he should be able to do that....but it is getting past time. Bring XL into all the OTAs, mini, and TC and have the "talk"......."Listen your panther career has come to a fork and we need results". If no improvement, trade/cut.

 

Besides the guy nearly all us wanted- ladd..... the other drafted WRs around him are MUCH worst....Coleman has been a healthy scratch and not done much when active. Polk has already been traded or Id say given up on by Varbs and the pats....They got a 6th for Polk&7th, fodder at tits best. Maybe it was a bad year for WRs.....

Right now, XL is probably outside the top 100 NFL WR's. That is just not going to cut it. 

He certainly could turn it around but our track record in this area is very well established. When our WR's bust, boy do they bust. XL looks exactly like so many of those cases. 

XL has been the 9th most productive WR in that 2024 class and is likely to slip to 10th very soon as one of the guys who missed a large chunk of last season is about to pass him(Pearsall) in career production. That's not great for the 7th overall WR picked. It's a disappointment, without question. Even a the guy getting healthy scratches has still outperformed him so far. 

And, for the record, it was a very, very productive WR class so far.

3 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Not that I want too, but I feel its coming down to either Icky&Mays or BY for the cap space..... Sportac has Mays sitting around 12 million per(o noes....maybe pass??) and Icky should be in around 24 million per as well.......future QB money..even for "bad" QBs could be in the 45 million range.....

To me it feels like the design is draft another QB on a rookie scale and roll with the young team that's close to 26 average(minus the STers). That's feels like the dynasty start.....just got to find that young QB to drive this team......(like 25 other teams....)

12 Mil would literally be the 6th highest paid center in the NFL. He is a backup. He is on a $3.4 mil deal and his utility might get him slightly more than that with us specifically but that's about it. If someone wants to pay him $6-8 mil, I would let him walk in an absolute heartbeat. For that price, get one of the good free agent centers available. Or, just simply draft another utility lineman. I like Mays well enough and would love to keep him but he isn't a long term starter and we shouldn't be paying him like one.

Ikey I am honestly unsure of the market on him. It could be wild or it could be less painful. Given what we have had to pay Brown and Horn recently, I suspect the Panthers bump means we need to open up the pocket book. That will hurt, no question about it. 

The QB I hope they just throw some darts at the board and not go bananas. But the situation has to be improved.

6 minutes ago, Basbear said:

You also have to factor in Dak and the.....ugh......cowboys had the best offense at different times (I think when they played the Panthers it was #1). 

He is on that TMJ and Dwayne Jarrett path, just exposed as "not-good" and he's about to be cut this season and for sure in the off-season I see it happening. 

It's crazy to think that when XL ends up being added to that bust list how long our WR misses will be.

TMac looks amazing though. I really hope he just continues to improve and be the outlier that we need.

1 hour ago, AggieLean said:

What’s scary is that it is highly likely he gets off to a rough start next year. He did it year 1, year 2, and year 3. Question is, will he be able to get out of the funk quick enough to not lose the team any games? 
 

Guess this is what we have to live with.
 

 

If he returns to start next season and we see the same old starting season poo, they would be fool's not to bench him quickly. 

In fairness, Bryce also hasn't had the same successful streak that he had post-benching in 2024. He's just been mostly bad or mediocre with blips of really, really good this season. 

It's illogical to continue this process much further because it's too much of a limiting factor. He isn't as good as Trent Dilfer or Nick Foles, so what is the path to the ultimate success even?

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That and I don't want Bryce to develop Thielen goggles again.

Honestly, if that works, IDGAF. I would rather see those reps go to guys like TMac and Coker, however. Especially since they appear to be a significant part of our future at the position. 

But, cheating for a few games to get past Tampa wouldn't be the worst thing in the world....IF it works.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

KC would make all the sense in the world. Buffalo could be a sleeper.

Buffalo makes more sense than KC. They have far bigger issues at WR.