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10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's what I was referencing in the comment about John Fox. 

Not a single one of us believed that Rodney Peete actually beat out anyone in a true competition. It was all just bullsh-t lip service from John Fox. Week 1 proved it... definitively.

Mind you, I don't think Canales would necessarily go that route. He'd likely just say "Bryce is the starter" and leave it at that.

He has been that guy the whole time, TBH.

Proved it several times previously.

12 minutes ago, Sup said:

I agree, I just think Bryce will lose. 

I mean, I don't think there is much chance of a "competition" anyway.

He is either gonna be the guy or they are gonna move on from him.

6 minutes ago, Sup said:

Exactly, Bryce will lose. If the draft pick is halfway decent he beats out Bryce as well.

It's not relevant who wins or loses. It's about actually attempting to get better at the position.

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

Who is Freddie Luvvu?

Frankie's better brother.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know what his status is next year. 

I know he got better coaching from somebody other than Matt Rhule after he left us, but if I remember correctly his playoff performance last season was... less than stellar. 

No, no, no.

I don't mean bring him back. I just mean another wild gunslinger with poor decision making and a penchant for a ton of turnovers.

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's been the Panthers regular MO in the past

The last one was Darnold. I guess we could run it back?

19 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I dont necessarily disagree just really curious as to why that is?  He either must be a dunce, a bad teammate or must be horrendous in practice because I thought he showed promise at least in his 2nd year

He is just a wild, TO prone gunslinger. That's not particularly valued in the NFL in this era.

33 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Why Sam Howell hasn't been given another chance to start on a team after putting up decent numbers on a bad commanders team running for his life (most sacked QB in the league in 2023) is beyond me, especially when you have the likes of Geno Smith, Bryce Young, JJ McCarthy, Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua still being given a chance.

In 2023:

Passing yards (15th)

Completion % (14th)

Total TDs (12th)

YPG (17th)

QBR (24th)

I think Sam Howell would absolutely kill it in Canales' system. Throw a late rounder the Eagles way and go get him. Still only 25 too. Low risk high reward. 

I think the league has largely spoken on Howell. He didn't end up a 3rd string QB accidentally. Same as Winston.

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If you tell another QB you're being brought in but Bryce is the starter no matter what, Dave is being forced.  Hypothetically, we trade for Howell and in camp he looks like prime Tom Brady. He's riding the pines because Bryce is the starter and that's just the way it's gonna be. Dave's checking out. Why? Because that's not what's best for him or his team. 

If Dave is the one doing the forcing, then that is a symptom of an even bigger problem which is what many of us have been saying, no one knows what the hell Bryce is as a QB. You only lock in your QB when you have to evaluate him at all costs. If we still need to evaluate in year 4, then the QB competition needs to be wide open. 

Ya'll are making some wild theories up.

1 minute ago, cranky said:

Nothing lol. Sorry I stepped away and responded to the wrong post. 

Yeah, I don't want anything to do with that Lawrence contract. Woof.

Just now, cranky said:

And yet his numbers are better than Lawrences' and you stated you would trade for Lawrence and his 50M contract. Why?

What are you talking about?

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think they're" just saying"... 

Like it or not, it's all real

Yeah, I truly believe that we haven't gotten any smarter as a franchise despite this recent success.

1 minute ago, cranky said:

If you're going to post comparisons, you should post them all. 

If you take the time to look, you can see he has improved in pretty much every catagory: TD%, TD-INT ratio, succ% (passes going for 1st downs), yards/game, adjust yards gained per pass attempt, 4th qtr comeback, game winning drives etc. 

 

 

Improved is true. Good is a different thing.

I think that is the issue, he has improved to "not very good" from "really bad."

Are we to assume this progression continues? If so, it probably means 2-3 more seasons before we see "franchise caliber" QB play on a consistent basis.

And I really don't think anyone buys into that notion of consistent improvement at this point.

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Graziano does say he "talked to a bunch of Panthers people" and his takeaway was that "they still believe in him".

My read on the extension talk though is that it's mostly hypothetical.

I am kind of amazed that the organization still believes. It definitely shakes any remaining faith of a turnaround, that's for sure.

Of course there is an element of, "well what do you expect them to say?"

BPA in the first round.

If that is a DT, so be it.

5 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Can’t believe early extension talks are even a possibility right now. Noting in his play has shown contract extension, fifth year, I kind of see that, but an extension is insane at this point.

I genuinely hope we are not having extension talks yet.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just don't have much sympathy for Ole Miss here. I mean, you had to know who you were hiring. Did you really expect Lane Kiffin to be there for 20 years? He's always looking for a better opportunity which, I mean hell, I get it. 

I do agree with Saban on this one though. The NCAA needs to create better guardrails on this stuff. You can't have coaches leaving to take other jobs and the transfer portal opening up while games are still being played. 

Saban was also one of the guys that advised him to leave.

Man, I read that article and it was shocking how they were already talking extension.

57 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

The one I looked at had the rams at 5

That would be the incorrect one.

10 hours ago, PantherChris said:

Don't look now but we actually just beat the current 5 seed on sunday 

We beat Seattle already???

Man, Lane Kiffin really is a real villainous asshole, isn't he? Basically the more verbal, less successful Nick Saban.

7 hours ago, Moonraker said:

No hate but he seemed slow and like he got pushed around anytime he got blocked. 

He isn't slow, he is actually a very good athlete. I think he is just slow to react to everything. He isn't instinctive at all.

He's basically a reserve LB.

9 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I hope Wallace can develop but he's a liability as a starting LB at this point. He didn't take the rookie to sophomore leap I was hoping he would. 

He is ultimately a backup. He is fine in his position until he can be upgraded. He isn't as bad as Rozeboom, I suppose, if that were some sort of bar that mattered.

12 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

its a 4-6 month recovery; hunt got injured and had the surgery back in september

his position requires grabbing and blocking 300+ pound DT (vita vea)

no amounts of elbow bracing, rehab, etc. can prepare that surgically repaired bicep to handle 300+ pound linemen in that short amount of recovery timeline

If we do this(bring him back soon), it better be with the intent to jettison Hunt when he re-injures this. Otherwise, it will be insanely foolish from a short term and long term perspective.

15 hours ago, Basbear said:

Roger that, one good part of Christ's injury is he should come back on the cheap for 26. You maybe right and I have over valued Mays too, still Im few millions below sportac(I feel 8ish)- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/market-value/_/id/77076/cade-mays

If they are keeping lewis and hunt, provided they are healthy, dang near anyone will look good at C. 

I think Corbert is coming back as well, unless he is on the "only starting" deal. 

Yea, faaaaarrrrr too early for draft stuff, but I feel strongly that the Panthers need to double down on the QB and edge market. That's with the growth of Nic and prince. Pat Jones is under contract, but missing time with a back mean he's a total unknown, as in the Brooks group...you can not count on him. 

I was wrong about DJ too, hes been the biggest let down for me this year.

Thus they need edge, not going to post my 287th BY post, if he's here or not, they need young comp. 

Right now the nerds are saying great-good edge class,  still too early and teams always overdraft them too. 

 

The determination used for Spotrac and OTC are not clear to me. It does seem to heavily be weighted on playing time/starting but as we know that isn't always a determination of market value.

BC I don't know if he will return to us. It depends on his recovery. That was a really bad injury to have for a guy that will be very close to the end of his career. I hope he recovers completely and we get 2-3 more years of excellent backup play from him. He has been quietly one of our most valuable lineman in a long time, despite being a backup.

I am find keeping Corbett at the correct cost and as a backup. He has no business starting at Center anymore. Not to mention he can literally never stay healthy.

I agree on EDGE and QB. Two biggest issues by a wide margin(amongst the PILE of other issues). We have a couple of young guys that look to be capable role player replacements for Jones/Wonnum, but it is time to shoot for the moon and get actual upper tier pass rushers into Carolina again.

Final note, when I am pooh-poohing these reserves that you are falling in love with, it's nothing special I am doing. A bit of "eye test" with a healthy dose of realizing that most backups are backups for a reason. Especially when they have gone through multiple free agent cycles and the league has resoundingly said, "Nah." Not everyone is Freddie Luvu. Most are Christian Rozeboom's.