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29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The only potential immediate solution I can see is trying to trade a late round pick for someone's backup QB that actually has NFL tools.

NFL defenses have thoroughly figured out how to take away the things Bryce actually does well. If I'm an opposing HC I'm telling my DC to do NOT let up and go soft unless we're up big late in the 4th. Start focusing on containment with the pass rush and playing soft zone behind it and you're just giving Bryce a life line. You're giving him all the stuff he actually does well while focusing on taking away the stuff he struggles with. Just keep the pressure on and stick to the game plan, we're not playing a typical NFL QB that might make you pay by burning you deep while you're being aggressive.

I wouldn't waste a late round pick on a 3rd string QB. You can just use that late round pick to get one.

35 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, it's an old school offense in reality.  You got to find players to make plays.  The O isn't just going to create it with just anyone. 

I didn't say we needed a game breaking WR.  We literally just need players that can push and hope to create some YAC because Bryce isn't' going to stress a D deep enough (which has fugged up the O every season he has played including Franks)

AT and Renfrow included don't offer YAC at the slot.  That's not what either are.  Slot is the easiest place to get some.  Obviously, I don't want my dude Renfrow benched.  He has a purpose.   But the Panthers need to start searching for solutions.   We got zero real quickness on the field. 

And hell, I don't even know if Horn really offers it because the Panther preseasons tell you virtually nothing about dudes

TMac and Sanders are the only two of our receivers in the middlish of the pack(1.0 and 0.6/R) for Expected YAC/R above actual YAC/R. Hilariously, XL is 2nd to last in the NFL at -3. Only Diggs is lower at -6.

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Panthers desperately need someone they can rotate in that got real speed to hopefully turn some underneath stuff into bigger plays.  Renfrow is great but he is just a chain mover.  I do wish they would try to turn the slot into a 2 man show.  Get Horn up for some light passing down work.  But I get that's a lot of small bodies to have active game day that only do slot work. 

I think the game breaker WR is a bit overrated. Not that they don't have value but a finely tuned offense will produce open players and big plays without the need for a Ted Ginn Jr.

The tuning on this offensive machine is anything but fine.

1 minute ago, Khaki Lackey said:

Based on what everyone in house is saying, he cares a lot and gets really down on himself. I don't think it's lack of effort, I think he's overthinking everything and playing with no instinct or physicality at all.

I am sure it may eat at him but if his response is to just basically not try, then I think this story is essentially over. The NFL is not for the weak. It's a tough slog to maintain a spot in this league 

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When Coker comes back we have to replace XL in the lineup with him. Playing XL at this point practically amounts to playing 10 vs. 11.

100% agree. A lineup of TMac, Coker and Renfrow might actually be an above average NFL WR corps for the first time in forever.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In 118 snaps so far this season, Xavier Legette has managed to amass an entire 8 more yards of offense than a Huddle poster.

4 catches for 8 yards and 1 rushing attempt for 0 yards.

I formally apologize to TMJ and Mingo for comparing them to XL this offseason. You guys deserve better than that.

On 9/17/2025 at 9:24 AM, Waldo said:

Not much to tear down on the roster. A few contracts to dump but really pretty bare bones due to years of poor management and not being able to get more expensive people to come into their mess. 

100% on holdovers. The problem is the Teppers will be a part of the hiring at some level, which they have failed at in every way. I can't see a way around that hurdle unless it's pure luck at this point.

We did a complete roster tear down after 2018. Everyone here was clamoring for it, while I was not. Competent and competitive franchises never do this. They constantly retool. It keeps continuity even across staffs and helps maintain a certain level of culture.

That is all now gone from our organization. We have no culture, we have no continuity. It's basically just a bunch of guys drifting through on their way other places or out of the league. 

This is why you never tear down a roster and especially without any stability or structure in the FO. 

We doomed ourselves to failure from the first moment of Tepper's era. He tore down everything and rebuilt in "his" image.

Look upon it, Panther fans. This is exactly what you asked for and these are the results.

I see a lot of talk about loss of confidence and I believe there is an element of that. 

But it's the lack of effort on tape that is the real concern. Confidence can perhaps be fixed but just mailing it in is a whole different ball game.

16 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

This game determines a lot moving forward. Big difference between 1-2 and 0-3. Pats, Cowboys, Dolphins, Jets after this. None of which are impossible. 
 

I haven’t worn one of my jerseys on game day in a long time. Maybe I break out the vintage blue Peppers

If we win 2+ games in that stretch, I would say we are on schedule to meet expectations. Anything less and I think DC might actually have a shot at getting fired by the end of the year.

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

We don’t even have to do all of this. Why hasn’t a QB been good here since Cam Newton? 

Because we suck at QB talent evaluation, especially with respect to the NFL Draft.

We have only had one above average starting caliber QB even on the roster since Cam, Baker Mayfield. And that was typical roster dysfunction that led to him being axed. Wilks didn't like Baker so he essentially canned him. Another of many reasons why I will never understand how some fans get so stuck up on Wilks as being this "missed opportunity." He was a bottom shelf NFL HC. He only looked good because we had that retarded nitwit, Matt Rhule as a HC prior to him. 

Anyway, our QB issues are all self inflicted. We can't evaluate worth a fug and then when we get mildly serviceable(Bridgewater) or potentially starting caliber(Mayfield) options, we fug it up.

9 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

He would be more exciting but it would probably end up like shooting off fireworks in the house.

Yeah, I don't think it would. Might want to review the tape on the past two preseasons with him. The game I saw there was a massive gulf between him and Kyle Allen. Hence why he got cut.

1 hour ago, UnluckyforSome said:

4 wins was my prediction, but I thought there was a chance with the right breaks and a little luck, to maybe reach 6 or 7. 

I kind of feel 4 might be stretching my optimism a little too far.

That said, it is a crazy easy slate of games, except we are crazy bad, and crazy inept and crazy incapable.

Yeah, I was on the 4 to 7 bandwagon since probably the draft. 

If we go 0-5 to start......man

4 hours ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

I honestly think he cares more about Charlotte FC, but that would imply he can do something right. So idk

He 100% does not. The NFL team has skyrocketed in value. It has served the purpose it was supposed to serve, regardless of the on field results.

2 hours ago, TD alt said:

They didn't need Hooker in the first place, but perhaps they had seen enough. Hooker was never highly regarded as a day one or day two pick either. He was a flyer.

Green Bay did it right. They had an established QB whose expiration date was within their sight, and drafted a day one (some may have thought day 2) and let him sit for a few years before throwing him into the fire and effectively messing him up. 

We don't have an ideal situation, and will likely be long for one. If we had kept Darnold or Baker, we may be in that type of situation which would've afforded us the ability to draft a QB on day one or two and give them time to develop. 

Getting back to Hooker, the only thing that I said is that I'd rather see him. The season is largely fúcked anyways. I can't even say that it's right or fair to throw him out there, but I'm so tired of mentally dealing with the Bryce Young rollercoaster. I've seen enough. Never again will I be open to drafting a short guy at QB. 

 

I saw Hooker live in Detroit. He. Stinks.

12 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I can't see it happening this year.

I suspect we will still end up in the 4 to 7 win range. It's unlikely we do actually go 0-17, although it's certainly possible.

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

Well if we're going to dumpster dive at least we're looking on the roster of a contender.

And a franchise noted for talent evaluation and development.

Maybe something Tepper could learn a few things from.

I think this is likely a comfortable Atlanta victory. They have a pretty punishing running attack that should give us fits.

Obviously, if Bryce turns the ball over early and often, it will be a hole we have to dig out of like last week. I don't think they are going to take their foot off the gas as much as the Cardinals did.

16 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Panthers cannot afford to fug this up again. I wouldn't  invest a number number one pick on a QB again in this draft...always a roll of the dice. To many areas of dire need. Choose Dl, Edge or LB for our first round pick. Add another Oline player in the middle rounds.

No more PROJECTS or INJURED players please. The QB situation is dicey. Will he ever emerge due to his limited physical abilities or not? They obviously need a plan B on the roster. I HATE to say it, but maybe a veteran like Winston for Canales to work with would be an option short term.

This season is going down the drain fast. 

Winston would lose a ton of games here while being more fun to watch and setting records for INT's. 

A very clear middling backup QB is not the answer. You will never be able to break Jameis of his Favre-esque gunslinging. Many have tried, none have succeeded.

As for not fuging up the draft? poo....we are many years into that. I don't expect that will change anytime soon.

5 minutes ago, Candler Cat said:

Plenty of seats available

 

 

And the seat availability will only go up over time.

19 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Its hard to run the ball when the opposing D crowds the line of scrimmage every play. Young needs to make them pay with longer passes when they do that but he cant. Young = bad run game.

It's a bit of both. Running game can open up deep passing opportunities but if you can threaten deep, it will keep them from loading up the box. 

We aren't particularly good at anything currently. That's part of the problem 

I mean...that is a crazy easy schedule from start to finish. You are looking at one elite team and as many as three upper tier teams. Other than that, it's middle of the pack or cellar dwellers.

I wouldn't start calling shots on us losing out. We have all been here before.

4 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Like that matters. That's the first thing. I suggested that it's probably better to let a QB sit and learn, and that's what I meant.

Secondly, in what planet am I making excuses, my friend, or engaging in any mental gymnastics in Bryce Young's defense? As I have said, I don't care if he turns into Mighty Mouse, it's time for him to go. In my opinion, he's too short to be a successful QB in the NFL. I have seen enough. I'd rather trade him and take my chances with Hooker, at least he's more of a prototypical size and can actually see where and why he's throwing the ball.

Well, Hooker was a guy that was drafted in the 3rd round pick sitting behind a well established starter yet Detroit somehow saw enough to let him go after two offseasons. 

Where does that fit into your ideal situation?

7 hours ago, TD alt said:

Dude, there are plenty of instances of QBs sitting on the bench before starting. 

Joe Montana, Ken Stabler, Joe Theisman, Tom Brady, A-Rod, Pat Mahomes, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Steve Young, Jordan Love, Kurt Warner and even a few others didn't come out the gate as the starter, and those that did arguably sucked. Some, like Jim Kelly and Bobby Hebert (who was solid, not great) played for the USFL before earning opportunities in the NFL. Warner played in NFL Europe, but still didn't start in the NFL right away.

You are literally naming almost entirely instances where they are sitting behind a well established if not star player that was already on the team.

That's a different scenario entirely. 

Listen, if you want to make all the mental gymnastics for excuses, have at it. I think the facts are clear, Bryce Young is not an NFL caliber player. Furthermore, no amount of pine time nor change of scenery is likely to change that. 

6 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Literally said horrible start actually. Stop trying to argue for argument's sake sir. I'm just stating facts mixed with my interpretations of replays. No emotions involved. That's for women and children. And you don't have to try to make me look bad to prop yourself up. That's immature. 

The Cardinals were in man for the last TD to Renfrow. Likely a cover 2 man under, but definitely man under. They were in man under for the pass to Renfrow to put it on the 1 yard line. They were in man under for Renfrow's first TD. They were in man under for Chuba's TD catch, though it was a broken coverage. Looking at the replays, not going off my feelings:( I'm not saying BY was 100% on point. Never did. No QB ever is. EVER. Except for a Jayden Daniels game last year. That was something to behold. I've called Bryce out plenty the last 2 weeks. 

WRs were obviously gassed on that final drive though. Can't say I blame them, but they were sucking wind, barely running routes. The only one that looked like he had something left in the tank was Legette. So, at least he's in great shape! But Bryce had given up on him by then. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a problem in the locker room by season's end. 

It's easy to conserve energy when you loaf most of a game, don't block, etc.

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Not the biggest fan of PFF grades long but they made an interesting point on their commentary this week

Bryce Young is presently per them one the worst “deep passers in the NFL”.   Which was the comeback narrative of being great at it.  But PFF deep is actually intermediate.  It’s 10 yards.  

During his comeback he was able to get off those intermediate passes because of the big shift defenses went running man and blitzing.  

where Bryce struggles the most to date is just being asked to stand in the pocket and throw into coverage.   And really struggles on top of that if folks start disguising stuff.  (This part is me….and his small stature and arm struggle facing that) 

so I would expect people just don’t give him man.  Dial back the blitzing and just ask him to play into coverage with his arm. 
 

 

I mean, the record speaks for itself at this point. He is 6-24 as a starter and his INT% has gone up from 1.9 to 2.3 to 3.3 each year. 

He is far from completely to blame but 100% of the indicators are that the NFL has largely figured him out.