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14 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Yea I nearly there with you, plus I don't have a great feel on Mays. I know there's a graph out there that shows wins and loss with without Mays, Panthers are nearly .500 with Mays starting. I think less than 10 and I could see him with this insane market. The market could be hot for him, he can play either OG spot too. 

 

Icky is a dang near must and Im not his biggest fan or nothing. He's still 25 with 4 full years of investment along with the 6th overall. Its just sooo hard to find a decent-good-great-elite LT and Icky is a elite run blocker and decent-good pass blocker. You just have to pay him or tag for 2 years. Hopefully like the other OLmen and being he's from NC, he wants to stay here. 

 

Its still farr too early for draft talk, but I already have what I feel is the plan as of this date(my plan)-

1- edge

2- QB

3- MLB

4- edge

5- QB

5- Safety

6- MLB

Brother, remember that BC talk this past offseason? Just trust me on Mays. He isn't a long term starting caliber C.

I wouldn't put a position on the rounds yet. That is too myopic. Just build a good draft board and play it out. Big moves should only happen for big reasons.

59 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be clear, my standards for a backup aren't gonna be the same for a starter, especially against a tough opponent.

And I'd say my most recent impression is this: Bryce had a decent amount of time to throw on a lot of plays last game.

Run push? Definitely subpar, but Bryce didn't end up taking the sh-tload of abuse I was expecting him to take.

Well the clear answer is just to get Mays healthy. Corbett isn't enough of a drop off from Hunt to risk Hunt's future with us.

32 minutes ago, Udogg said:

imagine if after this year... Brown and Horn's contract were up?  

With the year both are having... we definitely couldn't afford both. 

That market has plateaued because most of the top young players at those positions have recent deals.

I wouldn't expect another big spike for another couple of offseasons.

40 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I gotta disagree here, reason being that our OL coaching is significantly improved.

You can disagree but I would suggest looking at recent games for Curhan.

I am not expecting the world, nor should any of us, but we also shouldn't be surprised when a PS player gets abused in games.

That's a very unsuccessful strategy.

10 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I'll take solid with a couple of bad plays over Zavala being awful on just about every pass blocking opportunity.

Curhen was on the Cardinal's practice squad for a reason - he isn't very talented. That being said, I think he has done a solid job in the games he has played.

If the argument is Zavala vs. Curhen, the battle is already lost.

37 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

I did say slightly....  and tbh if we can get anther 2 good throws from brycey in each Tampa game along with a healthy Mayes and Hunt... I could see us squeaking out a tampa sweep....  Hunt is one of maybe 3 linemen in the NFL who can block vita vea 1 on 1  our ground game will be very very hard to stop if hes healthy for the last 4 or possibly the playoffs....  (only think stopping it will be Young not being able to take advantage of 10 man boxes)

Hunt is fairly overrated by our fans. Damn good player but we will be fine with Corbett back at OG.

Better than losing Hunt for a large chunk of the offseason.

38 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

If by bad teams you mean 30-31 teams then alright.  Discounts are very rare and typically only in special cases.  The Panthers aren’t paying a special tax.  Every team faces similar roster construction challenges with rising contract values.

Ring chasing is a real thing, even in the NFL.

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

That was an extreme suckage tax I suspect the tax will be slightly less after us likely barely missing the playoffs and a winnign season (9-8)

We will see but I rather doubt it.

He is a home town guy, though.

3 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

What teams don't pay the suckage tax?  I feel like everyone "overpays" for everyone.  Do you think Brown and Horn would have gotten less in the open market?

Bad teams always pay more. It's just generally the history of what happens.

4 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Please do not rush him back if he is not completely healthy. Don't need him screwing up his biceps again and missing games next year also...

That being said, would definitely be nice having him back at RG. Although I do think Curhen has been pretty solid and was a good find off of the Cardinal's practice squad

Curhen has performed both well and absolutely terrible.

Ideally we get a real NFL caliber OG in there when Corbett slides back over.

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Kinda crazy how little we are talking about Icky this season. He will be heading into the final 5th year option of his contract, meaning he will likely be getting a contract extension this offseason.

He’s having a career season. He’s had only 3 penalties in 13 games, a large drop from the 11-12 he’s averaged in prior years. His impact in the run game is still massive, while still being average at best in pass protection. Either way he’s been the best LT the Panthers have fielded since Jordan Gross and it’s a no-brainer to re-sign him. But at what cost? He will command a hefty price. 

If you look at Brown and Horn's contracts, expect to pay above what he is likely actually worth. This is the Panthers suckage tax.

Ultimately, much like Derrick Brown, he has steadily improved over time and that's what you want out of your young first round draft picks.

He was one of the biggest and most important question marks coming into the season and he has answered it conclusively. He is "the guy" at LT.

Great news, one less position of extreme importance to have to attempt to remedy.

Keep in mind that Baker does have a fuged up AC joint.

Also keep in mind Evans is about to return.

How about don't rush a very expensive player recovering from a bicep tear back?

Just get Mays healthy and Corbett is a very good OG.

Just now, PantherChris said:

I mean 30-40 Years ago that was a requirement..   

Crazy because they are both pretty damn good but won't last long because they have zero self preservation....

I agree on the RB but not Dart. He does not impress me.

I am not convinced Dart is actually better than Wilson/Winston.

I think he is just not old is all people care about.

Just now, PantherChris said:

Oooof just now 

His career will be short.

IDK how they got a dumb QB and dumb RB in the same draft with zero regards for their own careers or safeties. 

Same little fuger that torched us.

Just now, Jackie Lee said:

Dart already taking a head shot

Jaxon Derp

He does some exceptionally stupid things regarding keeping himself safe.

Tough game.

I intensely hate the Pats and I generally dislike the Giants.

Burns and Philips wiping each other out of a sure sack was pure comedy.

These are also two of the least penalized teams in the NFL.

Rams: 4.3 Penalties/GM, 35.5 Penalty  Yds/Gm

Against Us: 1 for 5 Yds

49ers: 5.6 Penaltiea/GM, 41.6 Penalty Yds/Gm

Against Us: 2 for 6 Yds

https://www.nflpenalties.com/

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well, in 2 seasons….how legit fug it deep balls have been offered to him?  So, like the one thing we basically drafted him to be….isn’t on the table to really even gauge.  

but look, I’m just BSing with XL in this thread.  Who the Panthers need to move on from is clear.   2 weak links on O are Bryce and XL.   We basically got the rest in place 

Still need a C too, IMO. Draft someone, for fug's sake. It's about time.

1 minute ago, CRA said:

One place a raw dude like XL isn’t going to fit at all…..is paired with a weak QB that needs QB friendly WRs.  I mean, when we drafted him it was constantly talked about how he didn’t fit with Bryce.   Would he maybe fit a fug it all chuck it deep O? That would be about it for XL.  Let the big boy have time to run downfield and let the raw tools do what they do.  

we overdrafted a raw WR for the Canales O but one that would be paired with a QB who didn’t fit eithe lt him or the O.  Results are as expected IMO. 

He really doesn't do anything well is the issue. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I’ve been talking about the Panthers and putting things that don’t fit together for so many years at this point.  Fit is more than half the battle in the NFL.  Yet here we are acting confused. 

 

I think the issue is that being a player that lacks a lot of fundamentals isn't going to fit just about anywhere. 

He's a project player being given two seasons worth of starting opportunities. 

That was stupid in the first place. He shouldn't have been drafted where he was to start with and if we did pick him up where he should have been drafted(4th round or later) then he should be developing largely on the bench. Sort of like Horn, Tremayne, etc. Down the depth chart so we can have an impactful and productive player playing.

3 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

Let's hope XL has a good agent that can find another NFL team willing to trade for him in the off season.

I am not to the point of moving him yet, unless there is a valid replacement. I think that is something we need to move forward with. Once he reaches the Adonai Mitchell point of basically being pushed down the depth chart, then I would say to move him.