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9 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

I mean I don't think it would happen or see it happening I'm just saying we somehow with our luck (and honestly it's not a concern) it's just me saying yep watch that happen just because carolina did it.

I was a brycey stan year one.... by year two I was off the wagon mostly.... this year I was wait and see early and I haven't seen any real changes now im a "hater" because I don't think a sub 200 yard qb is the future.

That's mostly me. I came into the season basically believing he was not ever going to be the guy but with a little bit of wait and see. It didn't take long of me seeing before I saw he was the same guy he has largely always been.

Maybe in some future scenario 3-5 years from now he is confident enough to be a decent NFL QB. I don't really want to be the team waiting for that to happen. Let his 3rd, 4th, 5th or whatever team be the ones that figure it out.

@CanadianCat

Soft paywall: https://www.matchquarters.com/p/carolina-panthers-safety-blitz-ejiro-evero

That seems to be the best thing I can find that is actually in depth. Lots of surface level stuff but nothing about what really makes his version of that Fangio-esque defense unique to him personally. 

9 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

More so on what his overall philosophy is. Like how he likes to use the line and LB's. How he runs his zone coverage. Why he keeps Horn only on the sort side of the field..

That kind of thing. We have some X and O guys here.. was looking for an informed football discussion. 

That's what I mean, so basically more on Evero himself.

Let me see. There was a good breakdown of this on a podcast from a Denver podcaster in a collab effort when Evero was hired on. I don't remember the podcast, though. Nor if it is even around anymore. Might have been @ellis's podcast, maybe??

43 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

I know we have a few film study people in this group.. 

Last year was infuriating (with no players) this year you can start to 'see it' coming together.. and like Mr Scott said, Evero is likely here to stay.

Can someone do a deep dive in the philosophy of this defense and how its supposed to work?

.. the deeper the dive the better

You mean just Evero in general?

24 minutes ago, Burnout189 said:

True. But that elevation gain is no joke on the lungs.

In theory, the Broncos should have significant advantages over most teams considering most of their training happens at altitude. 

39 minutes ago, CRA said:

we got folks once again having willful amnesia.....

let's talk about something that isn't a wild outcome.  This board flying high as a kite......and Bryce going into New Orleans and having his routine bad game vs the Saints.....and we lose.  Bryce averages 147 yards vs the Saints in his career and lots turnovers.  Suddenly, the front page will have 78 cut Bryce Young immediately threads and a lot of those people will have called picking up his 5th year a no brainer at this point. 

Yeah, he is such a hot and cold QB. Even the highs are typically fairly low(speaking specifically 2024 end of season run). It's easy to point to his 400+ yard outing and being the franchise record holder for single game passing but when you look at the 26 of 40 career starts of less than 200 yards passing, it's hard to have a very rosy view of the body of work.

If we were staring down a significantly better 2025 season in terms of actual performances, it would be a different story. That would show some progression is happening, albeit maybe at a glacial pace. But, that isn't what has happened. He's been modestly better than his first two seasons in most categories. Does this show improvement? Arguably so but the pace is going to lead us into a very, very difficult position even if it continues at a linear scale. You will end up in the 2026 or 2027 offseason having to make a long term decision on a MAYBE bottom 10-12 QB. And that is assuming continual progression and no regression or plateau. 

I just don't think there is enough to invest in this situation long term. The bones of Bryce the QB aren't solid enough to build a franchise caliber QB, IMO. 

39 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Thats a valid argument.  I cant tell whet they are gonna do and they prob dont really know yet either.  Ultimately they do need someone to play QB and I think the 5th gives them a little more time to figure out who that person is.  If the upcoming draft class was loaded with QBs i'd prob feel different.

Good news is they have a while before hey have to decide on the 5th.  I think May 1st is the deadline?

It is indeed May 1st. So they will get some free agency and also the draft if "better" options are found. 

I do think they will likely make that decision far earlier, however. Ultimately, if you don't pick up the 5th year option, it makes much more sense to try to move Bryce. It's better for him and us, IMO. Let him get a fresh start and another team get the option to decide on that 5th year before the deadline.

2 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

He would need to average at least 250 passing 3 tds and record 4 wins for me to want them to pick up that option.  Of course I know if we don't he will somehow turn into a Brees/Mahomes combo next year and put up 5k and 40 tds lol

Yeah, I suppose if he was at 250+, 3+ TD's and 4-0 it wouldn't make much sense to NOT pick up the 4th. 

I am in the camp of not really being concerned about the "WELL IF HE LEAVES HE WILL BE GREAT ELSEWHERE" scenarios. I just don't see that being the case. 

Hey, I am happy to be right(I was an OG Byrce stan), then to be wrong(I am completely off the Bryce bandwagon) and then find out I was right in the first place. It would be much better for him to just suddenly figure it out and be an NFL QB. 

I just don't think that is going to be the case. At best, he seems like he may slowly be developing into a middling #2 QB. That's not a good return on a #1 overall draft pick.

1 minute ago, CBDellinger said:

5th depends on last 4 games but i think it'd give them some flexibility of when they can sign or select a new qb.  if they do it wont be as tragic as some are making it out to be.

extension prob not unless he balls out and we make a playoff run this year.

IMO, I wouldn't ink that 5th year option unless he DOES ball out these last few games. I won't be furious if it does happen but I do think it will be a mistake when it's looked at in hindsight. 

I just think you have to crack the top 25 starting QB's in the NFL to even be considered for that 5th year option. Does it set up the franchise for a tough financial decision a year earlier if he balls out in 2026? Yes. But would that situation differ if it was a tough 2026 on the 4th year and a baller 2027 on the 5th?

Ultimately, the body of work has conclusively and without almost any question shown he is not a franchise QB. It's generally unwise to consider massively expensive and long term commitments if that isn't the case. Otherwise you end up in the Trevor Lawrence scenario. 

It's going to be a very interesting last 4 games and an even more interesting offseason on the Bryce front. I really don't have a read on what direction they plan to go. I have suspicions but not an actual read.

5 minutes ago, parker said:

He has a down year after his rookie year and that seems to happen to a lot of players. If I recall Rhule had him playing out of place that year too.  Was he the NT?

Well he was also pretty bad his rookie year. He had a very rough 2.5 to 3 years before it really started to click. But when that light turned on, yowzer. He has consistently been a top 10 IDL and arguably top 5 IDL since 2023. 

Let's hope he stays healthy and continues to get even better. He is a core member of our new team.

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

It's made it harder to get a guy to start year 1 that's for sure. You really need to draft a guy a year or 2 before you need him. But unlike college you can only keep so many on the roster to work with. If he cannot unseat your current backup it creates a situation where you hope he clears wavers so you can put him on the ps long enough to replace your backup. We can afford ro dump our backup but we need real competition to replace him. I'm not sure we would carry 2 qb's on the roster full time with the 3rd qb with being draft pick intent on replacing qb2. But they should after going through the past 3 seasons. 

I think we are just also in an era that QB's are being drafted far too high because they mean so much for the future of every franchise. Lots of guys overdrafted based on desperation in the past 10+ years.

For us specifically, I think it's time to start investing draft capital more regularly into QB's. Maybe not premium draft capital but 4th to 7th rounders for sure. Set up a steady stream of potential backup QB's to attempt to develop. I also think that for next year at the bare minimum, that we do need to be keeping 3 QB's on the roster.

For any team that has an uncertain future at QB, you should have more options on hand, IMO. That would be my philosophy. A healthy mix of veterans and younger guys with high potential. 

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

How many off games were between the Falcons game and yesterday’s Rams game?

If you are attempting to make a point about ratios and ignoring the entire body of work, that is pretty illogical. 

I mean, even if you isolated for 2025 alone it would be very rough on the "good to bad" ratio. 

That's the problem with Bryce. It's way more bad than good. 

It's impossible to build a successful, sustainable franchise on that foundation. 

I will ask you this, if you are the GM, are you signing him to that 5th year option? Are you extending him to a top 10-15 QB contract this offseason?

15 hours ago, CRA said:

I think you are largely seeing the law of averages that takes place when a subpar QB gets never ending reps at QB.   It’s mostly bad.  But you are going to get some good.   I don’t think it’s that complicated at this point 

but play a PJ Walker in enough games he will throw the longest TD pass in a NFL season. 

Backup QB/Fitzmagic effect.

Give them enough time and you will see some good tape. Then eventually it will all fall apart as consistency is never achievable. 

Hence why I am just off the Bryce train entirely. He has had enough time to get some sort of consistency and it hasn't happened. The highs can be fairly high but the lows are just so cripplingly low and happen more often.

Just now, Jon Snow said:

What troubles me with all of these college qbs coming out is that none of them play from under center. Every single one of them play from the shotgun. College offenses basically run the exact same plays and are basic as hell with a few trick plays thrown in. Any qb you take will have to be able to work from under center and understand an nfl offense. Oh, and be able to brake down nfl defenses in the fly. Your assignment for the draft is to figure out if any of these guys coming out have any of those qualities. 

I have seen a few articles over the years about the preparation lacking coming from college. Several reasons named but this was one thing I do recall in a couple.

I will say that one thing that is REALLY nice about the NIL and the transfer portal is that you are seeing players stay in school longer(more tape, more experience) and also that you see them move around and be in more than one system. 

I do think that era has really aided evaluation of prospects to some degree.

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

I feel like they had Corum and he slipped out, meanwhile a safety (Scott?) seemed to jump on our linemen and drive them back instead of contacting the ball carrier.  Would need to see another replay but I remember thinking something like that live.

I mean some of it was leverage and position truthfully, but he really did just push through their tackles. It was wild. After seeing the replay I still couldn't believe it.

8 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Sometimes I think he might still be a little damaged from his rookie season, he got sacked and hit a ton. It was a running joke how bad the offensive line was that season but part of the reason was the offensive scheme. But at the same time, he played very similarly at Alabama, his bad games were just better hidden because Alabama is so talented. So I just don’t know. The bottom line is this team wins 0 of the games when Bryce has an off day, and he seems to have had many of those since coming into the NFL

The issue is that he has had about 3 "off games" to every 1 "on game."

That is just not sustainable for an NFL starting QB.

@Saints - L

Bucs - W

Seahawks - W

Bucs - L

Which, if it goes that way.....I don't think anyone should be upset. I had predicted all season long a 4-7 win season and anything close to or above .500 is absolutely ahead of schedule.

I still don't know what to think of us but a 8-9 win season would be a Tepper first and 9+ would literally only be the 2nd winning season in the past 10 years in Carolina. 

He was fantastic yesterday but I do remember remarking to my buddy after that Corum TD, "How did that little midget just steam roll Derrick Brown AND Ashawn Robinson??"

I still don't know how he managed to do that.

7 minutes ago, parker said:

I keep bringing it up.  A lot of people on this board were calling him a bust his second season.   People on here are so quick to give up on a guy who is just getting used to the pro leagues.  Brown's absence last year was the big reason the defense struggled.  He impacts games.

I definitely was. People forget how bad those first two years were. So much footage of him getting abused in the run game by all these different IOL.

I think he just took more time than most elite players at his position to figure out some of the nuances of the position. Which, he was also there during the Matt Rhule era so the quality of the coaching was definitely in question.

Just now, hepcat said:

I am starting to think he’s manic depressive, at least while he’s on the football field. Some games he looks like he wants to be anywhere other than playing football and then games like yesterday he’s smiling the whole game. It’s really weird. 

It really makes no sense. People talk about Cam wearing his emotions on his sleeve and it's true. But Bryce's body language and demeanor seem very telling during games, as well. Sometimes you can just tell it's gonna be a rough one.

I definitely think he is still plagued by confidence problems. 

52 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Me, too. Calgary just sagged their D and always has 3 guys down low inside the dots. Carolina had about 40 shot attempts, which is still low for them, but the Flames were taking pucks off their legs, knees, skates. The number of guys laboring to get to the bench after blocking a shot was scary.

The longer the game went on and Carolina had not scored, the Flames gained confidence.

Who was Andersson (Flames #4 wearing the A) trying to fight after Ehlers scored? I'll have to watch the replay later.

I kept saying to my buddy that the blocked shots and deflected shots were nuts. 

That would honestly be a team I would hate to see in a playoff scenario. They have the ability to frustrate the fug out of us.

Then they largely tilted the ice during the third period and I was sweating bullets.

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Maybe Miller Moss? He hasn’t really shown any progression. 

I don't know. I don't recall him having particularly high stock on most of the draft stuff that I personally saw. Maybe I just missed it. He definitely didn't take any next step, that's for sure.

I will add John Mateer. He was a first round radar guy after his last season at Washington St. and he really did not have a good year at OU. Hurt the team too many times with TO's and poor play.

41 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

My point was neither QB is a Mahomes or Allen type who can just carry a crap team to wins and while the 49ers have mostly won during his time there because they have such a complete roster, he's still far more critical to the 49ers success than Bryce is to ours, another team that is winning because of the roster, not the QB.

He might not be THE reason they win games, but they certainly wouldn't be as good without him or have as high of a ceiling.  He allows Shannahan to call the game he wants to call and Purdy adapts around it, he doesn't need to adapt his gameplan around what Purdy isn't able to do like Canales has to do with Bryce.

The 49ers win less games the last few years without Purdy.

I don't think we win less games without Bryce, but I think we win/lose different games.  He's made a handful of clutch late game throws that a lot of back end starting QB's won't do.  But he's also played so poorly in other games where most other back end starters would have gotten us a win.

Have you seen the past two games he has played with Purdy?

He is adapting to working around Purdy, because he hasn't played well since his return from injury aside from the Arizona game. 

Now that isn't typically the case but he has clipped his wings a little it looks like.

23 minutes ago, Packersfan said:

West coast teams play bad on the East coast and East Coast teams play lousy on the West Coast it seems. 

Colorado isn't the West Coast.

47 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Not close. Bryce has actually had good games. I can't think of one good game from Nakamura in a Panthers uniform.

Also true.