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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Heck, Sellars was turning down reportedly 8 million dollar checks last season.  He better go take a good one this year at a better school 

If he was a really finished product, I would understand not wanting to go elsewhere. I respect the hell out of the loyalty but if you want to be as prepared as possible for the NFL and especially have designs on the 2027 NFL Draft, I would find a better development spot in free agency this offseason.

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All those receivers that Cam was "holding back" accomplished a whole lot of jack poo without him too. KB blamed Cam for his failures and there were people who legit thought Funchess was gonna blossom with a "real QB". The only guy who played decently without him was Ginn with HOFer Brees throwing to him.

And even Ginn arguably had his best season with Cam.

Even his per game averages are the highest in Carolina for his entire career.

We rarely had WR's play better without Cam. LaFell was the only one I can think of but a lot of that was him have a bigger offensive role in NE and Cincy.

54 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I think he's trending for a good culture but he tries to be cute with the game planning, and it is costing us games. 

I am not sure I agree on the team culture yet.

He also did have a lot of young guys chirping to the media about lack of effort in practices before a bad loss. 

I would say that is on shaky ground. A lot will be determined over the course of the rest of this season since we are likely to start taking a lot more L's. If he can keep the wheels from coming completely off, I might buy into the culture having improved.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

That SCar thought that Mike Shuka was the answer kinda says everything that needs to be said. That he took a Heisman hopeful and presumed top 10 draft pick and made him look like a guy that might bot be draftable really shows how damn good Cam Newton was. Both Chud and Shula washed out immediately as soon as they could no longer lean on Cam to carry their offenses.

Yeah, the greatest of Cam really has been some of the players and coaches he was able to elevate around him.

Massively under appreciated component of Cam's legacy.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Not even debatable IMO. Tins of talent but I'm honestly not sure either are NFL QBs. Both might should just cash as many NIL checks as they can.

I think Sellers would be best served by transferring to a school that will better prepare him for the NFL.

Go back to school: Sellers and Manning

Flopped on their returns to college and hurt their draft stock:

Carson Beck

Garrett Nussmeier

Drew Allar

Cade Klubnick

Sawyer Robertson

Eli Holstein

Any other flops in this underwhelming QB class I am missing?

In other college football news:

Lanoris Sellers and Arch Manning........GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND KEEP PREPARING.

Not ready for prime time yet.

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My main issue is the change if possession. If you want to give it back to the offense at the 20 I still think that sucks but it's a helluva lit better than a turnover. 

Hence why I say do a middle of the road change, if there is any.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

My point is that there shouldn't be any penalty. Everywhere else on the field a fumble out of bounds is no big deal. Same thing should apply in the endzone. Nowhere else kn the field can the ball change possession on a fumble without being recovered inbounds by the defense.

Yes but the rules are always different in the end zone. PI, sacks, penalties, etc. 

That's why I don't bristle at it. The end zone almost always has a different set of rules for just about everything.

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Offenses ball at the 1. Pretty much what happens everywhere else on the field when the ball is fumbled out of bounds. The ball is given to the possessing team at the spot of the fumble.

Yes but the end zone is actually different. It's the same with kickoffs. Basically there is no actual penalty for being wildly careless with the ball and a potential albeit unlikely avenue for offensive fugery. 

I think if you change it, make it the same rule as a punt/kickoff going out of the end zone or into the end zone. Same result.

That way you penalize the offense but not enough to change possession.

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think Fitterer was ultimately fired over Frank and other mistakes….

all the other Bryce people are still here.  Morgan.  Caldwell.  And both those dudes have more sway than Canales 

I don't absolve Canales. He benched Bryce last year but now all of a sudden he can't? Doesn't make sense.

He is as guilty as the rest.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They have to get rid of the worst rule in sports. Fumbling through the endzone resulting in a turnover and a touch back is something everyone agrees is awful. Get rid of it.

Yeah but what do you do is the question?

Boot them back to the 20? 

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You don't fire Canales after year 2 because he's mediocre.  That's just stupid given the circumstances.  Way to make the job even less attractive and ensure that the guy who replaces him is even less qualified.

He's earned a another year barring a horrific finish this year.  Bryce hasn't.

I can't say that I agree with the "can't fire him because he's mediocre." He has actually largely been more bad than mediocre. 

But, you are spot on with the job being even less attractive than it was before. Most candidates are going to turn down interviews with us even without that move. With another head coach being canned, you are probably basically stuck dumpster diving even deeper than when got you Dave Canales.

Honestly, same script as usual. Effective ball control offense and get pressure on Stafford early and often. If you can't do both, it's gonna be a long day.

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

The real crazy part about Bryce…..is to be as bad as he is for as long as he has been…..and still have the support he does.  Not just fans but the media still giving this org a pass on the absurdity at this point (but it probably is tied to what a joke this org has been and therefore really stupid doesn’t stand out like it should) 

It's one of the biggest reasons I don't buy the tired "they've changed!" narratives about Tepper, Morgan or Canales.

Well....none of them have appeared to change enough to move on at QB.

In fact, when it basically came down to Bryce versus our last head coach(I do realize it wasn't Bryce himself involved in any of this), Tepper not only swiftly fired Frank Reich but he immediately insulted him at the press conference where he fired him.

You don't get to be a laughingstock accidentally. It takes a lot of hard work and the Tepper Panthers have worked tirelessly to fug this up so badly.

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

I agree the post is a bit ridiculous and there's so many worse players overall because of off field attributes. Bryce is seemingly pretty likeable off field.

But in terms of on field, I would argue he has done more damage to my personal enjoyment of watching Panthers football than any other player because we're 40 games in to it. There are absolutely worse players. Fields may be the only one that's been given more chances, and (I know this is purely subjective) I find him more fun to watch even if he is also infinitely annoying in his inability to put it together.

I'd still never say he's my least favorite player. But man, I can barely watch Panthers games these days and I get so deflated when I realize it isn't one of his decent games we get every 5+ games. But at least the D resurgence has me enjoying seeing DB chuck people across the field.

Fields is actually worse to watch, hence why I consistently don't want anything to do with AR. 

Fields is way worse BECAUSE he has every physical advantage imaginable. That's what makes him infinitely more frustrating.

At some level, it is easier to understand why Bryce sucks. He isn't physically gifted in any way. It's his gross lack of fundamentals and field generalship which is so infuriating. 

Lock them inside their hotel rooms.

1 hour ago, strato said:

I couldn’t finish last year. Only do radio this year. I feel you. 

I will always watch. I just want to see a healthy Dalton and a different version of QB sucking. At least give me some QB suckage variety.

Just now, strato said:

If that happened with a healthy Young I would be happy to watch Andy mainly due to what it would mean. We could be set free. 
 

And I wouldn’t mind Andy getting a shot at a better farewell game than he has right now. If he doesn’t play any more and maybe redeem himself he is going out in a bad way off of that crap he put down a few weeks ago. 

 

I am just tired of Bryce at this point. Let's just end this and move on to the offseason knowing the Bryce era is over.

29 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Slavin is skating again as if four days ago....  goalie is still an issue but watch how much better they all look when hes back.

We need Chatty and Slavin healthy. They really limit the mistakes our sketchier defenseman make.

3 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

That adult circumcision is sure taking a while to heal up...

It's a lot of surface area to have to heal.

29 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I did NOT want young. I was 50/50 on Johnson and still am kinda. He has a really talented roster. He should be 9-3 with the skill they have. The previous coaches were just idiots. Johnson comes across as one of those guys that can lose composure and the locker room fast. Kinda like Jonathan Gannon. Smart guy, seems to doing well so far. 

That's what they were saying about Nick Sirianni about 2 seasons ago.

He also has a .700 winning percentage.

People also called Dan Campbell a lunatic upon his hiring.

17 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Ben Johnson wanted nothing to do with Carolina, and rightfully so. 

Yep. He actively avoided us and other bad situations to wait and find a situation that set him up for success. 

He is a very shrewd guy doing so.

Way too smart to be swayed by someone like Tepper.

51 minutes ago, toldozer said:

I'd rather have AR

I would 100% not. He is one of the very few worse than Bryce and actually substantially so.

Would have still required a trade up too.

14 hours ago, electro's horse said:

People keep saying this based on one game where the rest of the team played just as bad as Dalton did, he had a thumb fracture on his throwing hand, and his top line production was basically what Bryce does on a weekly basis.

I think it’s easier to comprehend the current qb situation if people convince themselves that Dalton is worse but there’s really not good evidence to believe that. 

I would rather watch a washed Dalton than Bryce at the moment. It's much more understandable to watch a 37 year old backup struggle than a 3rd year #1 overall draft pick.