kungfoodude

I know. He is a DE in our scheme. I don't get it either.

Well that is our best OL versus our tiniest DL.

I do find it very funny that the source you are referencing also so clearly shows how much better AT has performed in 2024 than anyone on the roster that isn't Jalen Coker. Look, I get that you have some personal axe to grind with AT but you are genuinely letting it get in the way of your ability to be objective. He has been overwhelmingly our best WR in 2023 and 2024. It's backed up by statistics, metrics, even the simple eye test. That's basically what the great roster building work under David Tepper has done. You have a mid-30's, slow #1 WR.

Of those 40+ target guys for YAC/Rec, AT was only behind J. Sanders, Hubbard and Coker for 2024. In 2023 it was Hubbard, M. Sanders and Mingo. So, in a lot of ways, it has been the WR's(Chark, XL, Diontae, D. Moore, etc) that haven't been producing those YAC. Not claiming AT is a YAC guy at all but, as so many of us keep saying, it's not AT that's the issue. It's the guys that are supposed to be outproducing him.

Yeah and this was trading two 6ths for a starter, as well.

Yeah, 100%. We SHOULDN'T be in the position where he is getting this volume. The hope is with Coker/XL having a year of development and TMac coming in, that should spread things around and lessen that raw need. In theory....

Brother, on players with over 40 targets in 2024 he had the highest catch percentage on the team. He was 2nd highest in 2023(behind only Hubbard). Yes he is slow as dirt but they are targeting him because he actually does catch the ball. That is literally why he beats out other players here. He is dependable.

The issue has little to do with politics. It's about his value and his cost. Those aren't logical to sell at a value that makes any sense at all for us. Why trade a valuable contributor for a 7th or conditional 6th at best? I suppose if you get a mail mary idiot like the Cowboys again, maybe that should be in consideration.

Also, for all the guys pounding the table to get all this compensation for our scrubs, this is the actual reality of the market. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46034061/jets-deal-vikings-harrison-phillips-browns-jowon-briggs

I used to surf trial to trial for some of college. Nice little trick back in the day.

I wouldn't call that great criteria for a trade(SB contention). If that's the criteria than probably 99.9% of all NFL trades have failed. Mack was the better contributor versus what he was traded for. That's the most basic criteria, IMO.

Yeah, that's why I roll my eyes so hard when people throw out Allen with the Fields or AR situations. That is such an extreme outlier that there are few that rival them. One could certainly make an argument for Lamar Jackson(57% career passer in college) but I think some of that was scheme at Louisville.

Oh, 100%. There is no logical reason we shouldn't have won that trade, given what we received in return. But....Fitterermagic prevailed and it was all squandered.

I suspect it has a lot more to do with him just not doing the work. He should have stayed in college for a couple of more seasons.

Remember that Khalil Mack was traded for 2 firsts and some change at the end of his rookie deal to the Bears. The Bears ultimately won the trade as Mack was a continuous PB/AP player and the Raiders squandered all the draft capital on players worth far less. It's dumb to turn down that kind of haul, but it's definitely not hard to completely squander.

I do also want to point out that people STILL believe in Justin Fields despite the unbelievable amount of evidence he is completely incapable of being more than a gimmick, run first, check down QB. It is flabbergasting the amount of chances some of these busts get.

He will never be able to make it as an NFL QB. Maybe if he played some special teams and could catch he could be a poor man's Taysom Hill but that is about the extent of his ceiling. More likely than not, he will probably be permanently out of the NFL in 3-4 years.

Oh yeah, going back a decade plus.

I mean, we are mere weeks from knowing. We will see how this terrifying tale ends soon enough.

That's why I keep saying they don't REALLY have any desire to get rid of him anytime soon. If they did, they wouldn't be making these absurd demands in a trade.

I think I abandoned most of those years ago. Hotmail, yahoo, etc. Too many security leaks.

The point being if AT is the most effective, he should play. By all means, hopefully the young guys beat him out but until that happens, I don't think throwing the whole offense into the hands of a largely unproven and inexperienced group is necessarily the best idea for anyone's development. Ultimately, that's the FO and coaches decision, for better or worse. They seem to be wanting to stick with AT for at least one more year.

I legit still know people that use hotmail for some reason. Blows my mind.

Nah, it is about Bryce. That is the most significant thing going on with the franchise by a massive margin. Followed probably by Ikey and maybe Horn. XL being a bust, doesn't matter. TMac not working out, that would matter but it's year 1. Bryce has such a massive impact on the future plans of this franchise, he is overwhelmingly the most important factor.

We don't have an 8th in 2028. That is the last remaining pick we owe Chicago for the Bryce Young deal.