kungfoodude

Yeah, the NFC South is basically at a laughingstock level post-Brady/Brees.

I mean, I never once made the comparison to our 15-1 season culminating a Super Bowl appearance. I did say, numerous times, how completely unhinged that is. However, you doubled and tripled down on it. Lol. All this is available to read in the thread above. But, keep digging that booze hole deeper. It will just make a very funny aside later in the season.

Well remember the division was on the decline at that time. We won it at 7-8-1 the year before. We were the only playoff team and team above .500 in 2015.

I am not going to be upset, I just really won't understand the thought process unless he is interested in sticking around long term. I definitely am not going to buy Super Bowl tickets if it happens, which I am assuming you are browsing just in case we do trade for him?

I don't think it will make a HUGE difference because of the low hit rate but it is a great way to tilt the scale in your favor when it comes to signing. Makes me wonder if eventually the NFL owners will get mad and tighten the rules on UDFA contracts.

Matt Rhule and Scott Fitterer also thought they were always a couple of moves away. How did that work out? You are conflating two INSANELY different scenarios in a syphilitic fashion. We have zero winning culture here. Arguably we are in the infancy of even establishing a clear football culture of any sort given the ridiculous turnover rates. We are very lucky that Morgan resisted the need to do what fans like you want and spend like drunken sailors on aging veterans for the "win now" mentality that Rhule/Fitterer had. It appears that he is smart enough to realize this is a long, difficult process to completely build a winning franchise from the ground up with zero foundation to build upon. Hence why we leaned towards younger FA's and didn't make a bunch of panicked and ignorant draft moves(not that I agreed with all of them). There seems to be an actual blueprint in place for the first time in years. Now, I don't know the result or if they will even be afforded the time to execute it but going full Fitterer is the last thing we want. Hell, we are just now finally recovering from that period.

Yeah, no one could have ever thought a very talented team that went 12-4 two years prior, had lost in the divisional round of the playoffs two straight years in a row and won the division two straight years would be at all successful. I will give you 15-1 and Super Bowl was unexpected but comparing them to this team is absolutely, lightspeed insane. I get it was a holiday weekend but that level of drinking seems unsafe. Also, history is very likely to be unkind to that prediction. By all means, please tell us about upcoming Super Bowl appearance and 17-0 season.

I am not sure what triggered you to keep replying to the same post but we all knew the level of talent on the team at the time AND in hindsight in 2015. How it came together was anyone's guess but these players were not unknowns: Cam Newton Jonathan Stewart Greg Olsen Ryan Kalil Trai Turner Charles Johnson Star Lotulelei Kawaan Short Jared Allen Luke Keuchly Thomas Davis Josh Norman Kurt Coleman That's just the list of KNOWN entities even at that time. Guys who might start on that team? POSSIBLY Brown and probably Horn? Maybe a couple of OL? It's such an insanely better roster at the time AND in hindsight that it's laughable to literally compare them. Not to mention....we already had a winning culture in Carolina. There isn't a single player on this roster that we have drafted that was on a winning team outside, what? LS and RT?

I like Ramsey plenty but I don't think this fits for us or him unless he just wants to be here for some strange reason. In that scenario, sure. I suspect it is more likely that he has no desire to come to Carolina at all.

I mean.....I hate to burst your bubble but we have perhaps a tenth of the talent that 2015 team had and I am being VERY generous. That is honestly one of the wildest comparisions I have seen on the Huddle in long time.

I certainly hope they have finally come to the realization we aren't very close. That seems to be the general direction of our entire offseason when we avoided so many pricey veterans very similar to Ramsey. I think they finally are taking a realistic and long term view of this roster building. I have no idea how it is going to turn out but it's way better than nuking our future season after season in an attempt to make that "one last move" to put us over the top.

Yeah but why even waste ANY draft capital on a short term rental? Especially on a bad team. It's Fitterer/Rhule era "WE ARE ONE GUY AWAY" kind of BS. I would rather just keep the draft capital, roll the cap space and continue to try and build through the draft.

An expensive veteran that doesn't want to be on a bad team? I fail to see the logic.

I just don't think it makes much sense for anyone involved. He isn't likely to want to be here after downgrading franchises in comparison. Nor does it make a lot of sense for us to have that much potential money tied up on a player closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

I can understand the projection of MacCarthy over Maye BASED on the coaching and team but that also makes it not truly a a pure QB projection but an evaluation of the situations they are in.

He wouldn't be insanely expensive for us but he wouldn't be cheap either. $9 mil for 2025 escalates to $19-20 mil for 2026 and 2027 and then skyrockets to $31 mil in 2028. But, after 2025 all the guaranteed money would be gone for us.

I think the recent breakdown video of Bryce(posted in here) shows really the biggest issue from a play callers standpoint that hurts Bryce. He is very often off schedule because he has poor footwork and it can lead to him looking around what appears to be aimlessly because he is waiting for the play to unfold. It also impacts his decision making because he is making decisions before the play is really able to unfold.

It was nice to see us take them and KC to the wire. If we make a step forward as a team this season, we can look at those close losses and say that was really the start of the turnaround. Conversely, if we have similar results as last season, it's likely just going to fade into history.

Some people will shift the goal posts but he does still have to consistently help the team win, eventually. Not only help but be the reason. That's what franchise QB's do.

I think it's more related to the difference between proven talent and projected talent. Our proven talent is quite literally almost nonexistent. Our projected talent could be significantly more. Obviously, it remains to be seen how many DJ Moore's we get and how many TMJ's(not making this position specific, just giving examples of clear progression of careers and talent being realized versus not). This could be an exceptionally terrible, underwhelming, okay, fairly decent, surprisingly good, etc roster. All that has to play out on the field because our known entities in terms of above average caliber NFL players is paltry but most standards. All that digital bloviating to basically say, "Show me." As for Tepper, I genuinely don't think he has meddled that much less and I don't think he has stepped back. I think he just cleaned house of most of the people chirping about it internally while not making himself so publicly visible because he is very aware of the meme he has made himself and this franchise. IMO, he will continue to fug this franchise over because that is who he is as a person.

I think "amazing" is basically relating to his prior performances, which is a very low bar. Even at his peak(so far), he hasn't consistently been an elite performer either by the simple eye test nor statistically. Regardless, we have seen the flashes of WHY we drafted him #1 overall and he is visibility significantly more confident. Hopefully he has spent an inordinate amount of time this offseason getting that footwork better and more consistent. That's going to be a massive factor in his continuing improvement.

Yeah, these arguments are getting twisted to the point that it's just an airing of old grievances for the 100th time. No matter what happened in the past, no matter what the "trajectory" is, Bryce has to show why he was a number 1 overall draft pick. If people didn't like Cam and what he did for us at QB, I hate to see what poor Bryce is gonna get if he doesn't reach Manning-esque heights.

The offseason is always when hope springs eternal. If you look past that, you can see a very bad roster with a lot more questions than definitive answers. Let's hope we get a lot of those right, because I think we are a lot closer to another impatient Tepper reset than we probably think.

These arguments are getting more and more disingenuous from both the pro and anti Bryce crowd. Bryce looked very good for stretches down the final 8 games. He finally showed glimpses of the guy that was projected as a top QB pick in the draft. Bryce also didn't look like a top 10 NFL QB. I think we are so far removed from Prime Cam that we forget what an elite QB looks like. I could tell that when people were losing their minds and simping for Sam Darnold. This season needs to finally showcase Bryce as a franchise talent. If that doesn't happen, it's time to pivot. There are very few recent examples of QB's struggling or being a mixed bag through the first three seasons of starting and then suddenly becoming frachise caliber players.

It's a fine balance. You need elements of both.