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He has better arm talent but he is slightly less athletic and significantly less polished than Jones. Darnold is further behind in reading the field but they both struggle with making bone headed/dumb gunslinger decisions. I would say it's actually a good comp when you really do a side by side of strengths/weaknesses and even results.

You are more than free to be wrong. He was fool's gold last season, much like every other season he has been in the NFL. Watch how badly this goes in Seattle....

Well, that's kind of what I mean. He has already been kicking around a PS for a season. He is a borderline roster player/bubble PS caliber guy. It's gonna take a bit of a bump to get him past a regular roster guy like Moore, especially when ST is factored in. Not saying it's not possible but I just don't think it's very likely.

I would say that would be a mild surprise if he doesn't.

What they are asking for in a trade isn't going to fix their team in 2025. You don't throw out wildly high trade offers out of desperation. Also, we don't have anything we can sell reasonably without doing far more harm to us than good by getting him.

Etienne confirmed sock account.

I think the group of people that believe that are you and Etienne's momma.

There is really no threat of Tremayne not clearing waivers. That's what I meant.

He is just Sam Darnold. Lots of talent, ten cent brain. Also, just not a good QB draft. Best of that bunch were Kyler, Jones and Minshew basically in that order. So one averageish starter and two backup QB's.

I had this discussion with my buddy yesterday afternoon. If we start this season very slow(especially with the schedule being what it is) and then "rally" in the second half to get to 4-7 wins, I am already gonna be pretty heated at the staff overall. I know we are a very bad roster but I am not gonna keep excusing these slow season starts WITH late season rallies. That's a coaching staff problem, IMO. It's more excusable to just stink gate to gate, IMO. At least you can understand why.

No. I think he lost the coaching staff with that taking himself out stunt and always being injured. Not to mention, he just doesn't improve at all. Not an ounce. Sad state of affairs to basically easily lose a starting battle to Daniel Jones.

I would be very surprised to see Moore bumped if we keep 7 WR's. Tremayne is easily stashed on the PS with no threat of anyone signing him off it.

Keep in mind. Steichen was supposed to be one of those QB whisperer types too. It's gonna taken some luster off of him on the way unemployment after the season.

He was a more accurate passer at 56.2%. That's what I mean. Even by outlier standards, this dude was inaccurate. Closest I can recall to something like that would have been one of those GT QB's like Reggie Ball. Career 48.6% passer.

I will say, within the first few weeks. If we come out of the first five games with 0-2 wins, that is a huge problem given the projected schedule.

I mean, realistically the difference between most of our 2nd stringers and our PS guys is largely razor thin. Hence why maybe they are paying more attention to that.

No, he had nothing close to that profile even remotely. He was one of the most inaccurate passers I have ever seen as a "top prospect." That literally directly translated. Hurts was a 65+% career passer. Jackson was closer at 57% versus the 54.7% but the difference to the eye was REALLY obvious in the passing game. You can check the record, I wanted absolutely nothing to do with drafting AR. Richardson currently has worse stats than Jamarcus Russell through the equivalent amount of games. Think about that.

Well, you do have to also consider that they are pretty well set on who the starters are. It's the cut line and reserves they are evaluating in game 3. I would guess that is the reason.

I have to assume it is some trolling job. We can't actually be that stupid......right??

AR was one of the most obvious and clear busts I have seen in years as a first round pick. The fact that we had a contingent pounding the table for him in the Huddle is scary. He doesn't have an ounce of NFL QB ability in his body. He is just a guy that is a great athlete that can throw a pretty long ball once in a while. He is literally a CFL caliber player as his maximum ceiling.

You are missing that they literally don't have to trade him. He is under contract and they can franchise tag him for two years if they so desire. Why do you think the sports books have the odds heavily weighted towards being a Bengal? Any of this seem familiar? Maybe.....Tee Higgins? The fact that they are leaking this unreasonable ask is basically telegraphing that they don't really plan to get rid of him unless someone is stupid enough to meet their ask price.

100%. If Sam Howell was such a hot commodity, why is he a 4 year player on his third NFL team?

And trading a top 5-6 at position salary for a 5 year rookie deal.

You are out of your tree if you think any of that is happening. How do backup OL and non-1st rounders help them? I am not understand how so many here think the Bengals are going to make Panthers bad trades when they literally don't have to do anything.

Good Lord, he is a pretty terrible judge of QB if that was true. I am skeptical. Well, his iron was hot for a while and with the weapons he had in Detroit, it wasn't likely to fall off anytime soon. He did the right thing, several offseasons of interviews/interest and chose the right situation. That's where a lot of these guys fail. Thinking they can go to a poorly run franchise or a franchise in a deep hole and then be able to dig out of it.