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It's rarer for QB's to put up video game numbers in losing efforts than it is for RB's to put up video game numbers in losing efforts in the modern NFL. We will get to see a good example of how that works out in Los Angeles this year. Matt Stafford is a top 10 QB that has been on a dumpster fire of a franchise. I'll be curious to see how that works out. The biggest issue with RB's is that they rarely change teams in their prime, because their effective years are so unbelievably short. By the time CMC's contract is up(assuming he makes it to that), he'll likely be a shell of himself. That's just the way it goes for RB's in the NFL.
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And I would have been okay tagging him twice. At that point, you are likely past his prime and it's easy to move on. Then you take five relatively inexpensive years and have two expensive years(although less than his average contract now). Remember that CMC was a top 10 draft pick so he has actually been a top 10 paid RB in the NFL almost his entire career. That's a big downside of taking a RB in the top 10 like that. I am not advocating for jettisoning him now. It would be detrimental to what we are doing. However, if he is banged up the next two seasons, I will be rattling sabers to cut him. We can't keep investing bad money in players that can't stay healthy(see KK).
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The $8 mil was arbitrary based on looking at the salaries during that period. That seemed to really be the line that differentiated the high paid backs from the rest of the crowd. What is actually surprising is how those numbers have actually trended somewhat downward over the years. It will tick upward the next two seasons, assuming there are not restructures or cuts that happen. The issue with cap percentage is that the cap has raised significantly in the past 10 years and setting a percentage might be challenging. If you set it based on some of the top 5 guys from the 2010-2013 range, it might exclude a lot of backs in the 2016-2020 range. I don't know if you can cleanly accomplish your last bullet point only because the dataset would be MASSIVE. That would take some serious time to deduce, although it does sound like an interesting idea. I think you have to also adjust for cap percentage usage, as well.
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Let's see how that breaks down. I did this for Peppers years ago when some doofus Saints fan tried to compare Chicken Legs Jordan to him. Rushing Yards CMC: 61.7 career YPG Faulk: 69.8 career YPG LT: 80.5 career YPG Games to reach Faulk: 148(9.25 seasons) Games to reach Tomlinson: 171(10.67 seasons) CMC: 0.57 career Rush TD/G Faulk: 0.57 career Rush TD/G LT: 0.85 career Rush TD/G Games to reach Faulk: 125 games(7.81 seasons) Games to reach Tomlinson: 204 games(12.72 seasons) Receiving Yards CMC: 52.4 career YPG Faulk: 39.1 career YPG LT: 28.1 career YPG Games to reach Faulk: 81(5 seasons) Games to reach Tomlinson: 40(2.5 seasons) CMC: 0.31 career Rec TD/G Faulk: 0.20 career Rec TD/G LT: 0.1 career Rec TD/G Games to reach Faulk: 65(4.03 seasons) Games to reach LT: 4(0.25 seasons) Total Yards CMC: 114.1 career YPG Faulk: 108.8 career YPG LT: 108.6 career YPG Games to reach Faulk: 111 games(6.92 seasons) Games to reach LT: 111 games(6.92 seasons) Total TDs CMC: 0.88 career total TD/GM Faulk: 0.77 career total TD/GM LT: 0.95 career total TD/GM Games to reach Faulk: 104(6.46 seasons) Games to reach LT: 133 games(8.30 seasons) So, the biggest question will be his longevity. As you can see here, both of these guys played 11-12 years in the NFL, so he needs to be able to maintain or exceed his level of production for the next 6-9 seasons to be able to surpass their total yards or TD's. You are correct that he is quickly walking down their receiving production, although he is pretty far off the pace in rushing yardage.
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Peter King on Panthers and Deshaun Watson
kungfoodude replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
It's a purely speculative article. I honestly don't see them very interested in CMC and probably not Robby with just a year left on his deal. Not to mention, why in the world would they want to trade for Teddy's contract? That just seemed like an excuse to get Panthers fans thinking about dumping a couple of bad contracts in Teddy and CMC. I would think the Texans, assuming they have any intelligence in the front office, would be way more interested in our players on rookie deals and our draft picks. -
Peter King on Panthers and Deshaun Watson
kungfoodude replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
This isn't the first idiotic take he has had on here that completely backfired on him. It's kind of his calling card. -
Screw Squatson, Give Me Your Case for Wilson
kungfoodude replied to RumHam's topic in Carolina Panthers
That's maybe the dumbest take in the last few weeks of really dumb takes. -
WR would be easy to do a side by side, similar to RB's. The pool would be equally diluted as the RB pool due to multiple players being utilized and less #1 overall WR's. DE would be a little more complex because you really have to agree on what you want to consider critical aspects of their production. Sacks are obvious, QB Pressures and Hits are important, turnovers forced, maybe tackles for loss. That needs some fine tuning before you could do a good comparison. LT would be extremely difficult. You have to rely on a lot of subjective data to get you there. PBWR, RBWR, PFF ratings, Sacks Allowed, Pressures Allowed, etc. I think OL stats are the most difficult to isolate because they operate so much as a unit that when you have the guy next to you screwing up, it might impact your play pretty considerably. I suppose DT play could be considered that, as well. It would probably be easier to judge OL/DL play on the entire unit than specific players, although pass rushers are probably easier to isolate.
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Peter King on Panthers and Deshaun Watson
kungfoodude replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
More likely he just doesn't know the roster. -
403 touches, which was more than any single season that Adrian Peterson had. Hmmm....wonder if maybe that is why he spent all year injured?
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FWIW, this is what it cost in total RB salary to get a top 10 rushing offense in 2020(asterisks for playoff teams). *Ravens: 3071 yds, $7.5 mil *Titans: 2690 yds, $8 mil *Browns: 2374 yds, $6.6 mil Patriots: 2346 yds, $7.7 mil Vikings: 2283 yds, $7 mil *Saints: 2265 yds, $9.6 mil Cardinals: 2237 yds, $10.5 mil *Packers: 2118 yds, $5.4 mil Eagles: 2027 yds, $2.5 mil *Rams: 2018 yds, $3.1 mil These are the salaries of the top 10 rushers in 2020(asterisks for playoff teams). *Derrick Henry - $6 mil Dalvin Cook - $4.6 mil *Jonathan Taylor - $1.4 mil *Aaron Jones - $2.2 mil James Robinson - $0.6 mil *David Montgomery - $0.9 mil *Nick Chubb - $2 mil Josh Jacobs - $2.7 mil *Lamar Jackson - $2.6 mil Melvin Gordon - $7 mil In 2020 a total of 2 RB's in the top 10 of pay appeared in the top 10 in rushing yards. In 2020 a total of 3 teams in the top 10 of rushing had backs in the top 10 in pay.
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I believe I have done one of these for the top 10 rushers in the NFL regardless of salary and the results aren't terribly different. It's a QB league. Anyone with any sense knows that, it's why all these teams are trying to sell the farm for guys like Watson or trade for Matt Stafford or move up in the draft to get one of these top 4 QB's but there haven't been any offseason rumors of teams trying to acquire CMC, Kamara, Cook, Henry, etc. Hell, look at the incoming RB projections. It includes some stud RB's but they are behind all those QB's, a pile of WR's, OT's, DL, etc. People can shove their head in the sand all they want but there is a KC made the Super Bowl with ~$4 mil invested in RB's(one a first year rookie) and Tampa made the Super Bowl with ~$6 mil invested in RB's.
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You know this list includes Adrian Peterson's NFL record rushing season, right?
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Calm down, get your morning coffee or maybe your sedative.
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Peter King on Panthers and Deshaun Watson
kungfoodude replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
So, #8 overall in 2021, our 2nd pick in 2021 1st round in 2022 3rd round in 2023 CMC Teddy Robby Anderson The draft pick haul isn't bad, although I wouldn't want to jettison our 2nd in 2021 given how deep the OL draft is. I feel like we can get a starter with that pick. The players are some good and some bad. We get to jettison our top two worst contracts on the roster but it would also result in a total dead cap hit of $27.2 mil in 2021 for those guys alone. Add another $4 mil in cap loss for Anderson, who I really wouldn't want to give up but would be better than some of our guys on rookie deals. But, although we would be toting $31.2 mil in dead cap, it would also free up roughly an additional $16 mil in cap space. If we make that move, we probably would have to get aggressive in free agency since our primary mode of adding talent is going to be reduced this offseason. Hypothetically, were this trade to happen prior to Samuel leaving, you keep him and try and obtain another effective WR to replace Robby and maybe draft a RB to replace CMC. We'd be set for years to come at QB but our margin in the draft would be razor thin. -
I can do the same breakdown for QB's but it will likely be fairly heavily weighted in the QB's favor for obvious reasons. I've done a top 10 QB Super Bowl breakdown before and it was pretty obvious how critical the QB is to getting a title. That just isn't the case for RB's or really most positions on the field, in all honesty.
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Guarantee that dude has never seen LT or Marshall Faulk play other than YouTube.
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You just answered your own question about the issue with the 49ers and it isn't a RB. Not to mention after their starting running back went down with injury, their platoon of five RB's had 378 rushes, 1641 yards and 15 TD's. Not too shabby for a team that was plagued with RB injuries all year long. They actually finished 15th in the NFL in rushing yardage as a team and 11th in rushing TD's. Their struggles had a lot more to do with the passing unit that produced the 20th most passing TD's and 3rd most INT's. All they really need to do is get healthy, after all, they still have the same RB's that produced the second most rushing yards and most rushing TD's in 2019 for a 13-3 Super Bowl team. In CMC's career year, the Panthers had the 14th most rushing yards and 5th most rushing TD's, for comparison. The biggest upgrade they should be looking at is a QB. That team is stacked with talent, they just got slammed with injuries in 2020.
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It doesn't have a strong record of success in that time period, mainly the opposite. Only 30% of the instances had a top 10 yardage or rushing TD performance and resulted in a winning record. CMC is not drastically different than Ladainian Tomlinson or Marshall Faulk. One who had great career postseason success, one who had almost none.
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You have lost your mind if you think anyone in the NFL would give up 2 1st rounders for CMC. Show me one team that is a RB away from a Super Bowl, has the cap space to take him and the draft picks to spend. Just name a single team. I'll give you a hint, it isn't the 49ers.
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I wouldn't have given that up for Adams either. But they also use him in a very unusual way as a pass rusher, so I suppose that was worth it for them. We will see how wise that is/was when we see what his price tag is this offseason or next. The deal they gave him was basically $9.9 mil for 2021. Nothing absurd.
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Teddy Bridgewater Unfollows Panthers on Instagram
kungfoodude replied to Proudiddy's topic in Carolina Panthers
I'd be 100% down for that. -
Bad comparison. Kyle Boller was a 4 year player with Cal that had a 47.8% career completion percentage. Boller was almost certainly going to be a bust in the NFL.
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Is this the official Fields bump? #Herbert2020