kungfoodude

Yeah, he would have scouted him coming into the NFL and would have had some knowledge of him as a multiple time free agent in the NFL.

You are surmising intent when it isn't known. If I was to do similar, I could say only Chinn was worthy of contacting and that isn't what he said at all. Don't read the tea leaves too much. They just make tea.

9 straight winning seasons and 8 of 9 years in the playoffs. Yeah.....who would want that?

Yeah, I don't think a lot of the things the organization is talking about in regards to QB are really intentional shots at Teddy(the Tepper comments, maybe) but it just so happens that all those elite attributes that they talk about defining a franchise caliber QB.....Teddy just doesn't have those. But, the bulk of us knew that before we signed him, so this isn't earthshattering information. It just looks targeted after the season because Teddy performed so poorly in some of those areas.

Yeah, a move like that all just comes down to price. KJ isn't the kind of player that is the one key piece to make us a good defense for a playoff caliber team, so we can't break the bank for that kind of upgrade. I am down for impact veterans if they are at the right price.

It's the job. They are trying to get a slip up and get any inkling of info at all.

Yeah, I had the same thought. All the attributes the organization keeps talking about wanting at the QB position....Teddy doesn't have many of them.

Seattle has had some pretty consistent issues with quality OL play in the past few years.

Hence why I was so averse to bringing in a game managing type QB. It makes the job of building a successful franchise so much harder. Game managers don't have the greatness to cover the weaknesses of others. It's amazing that some Panthers fans don't have an appreciation for that after watching Cam have to drag a perpetual assortment of "who dat" players on offense up and down the field most Sundays.

He said trade. The cap hit is smaller in a trade scenario after June 1st.

Unless it is a pretty cheap deal, KJ Wright is probably not a great investment for the future. In the short term, he's great but it probably doesn't make a ton of sense to plug a need with an expensive player that isn't likely to be here for the culmination of the rebuild. This is also likely KJ's last opportunity at a decent sized NFL contract.

You could, but that is a difficult market. Oddly, and this is a reason why the NCAA forum was so dead, is there isn't a tremendous amount of crossover here to the hardcore college fans. It's also a lot more competitive with social media platforms being what they are. More people are choosing those avenues than when the Huddle and all these older message board communities were being built.

Holmes, Caserio, Baalke, Mayhew are all in situations that are really set up for them to fail. I'd say it's probably one of those guys. Caserio seems like the safest bet because Houston is just such an exceptional disaster at the moment. I'll say that if Watson gets dealt, it will be him.

Right now a lot of that market is really mired in the various networks of fan sites(all behind paywalls) for specific teams. Rivals, 247/Scout, etc. A lot of them have free message boards and have for more than a decade, so the majority of those communities are fairly committed to them.

There was more than one game in which he shared the bulk of the blame for losing. Early in the season the fact was that while he and the offense were good, our defense just couldn't give them the chances to win games. Then in the second half of the season that defense really started to improve and they were keeping us in games. Well....that was when Teddy started to poo the bed the most. That isn't sustainable. Ask yourself if he is effective as Ryan Fitzpatrick, the most obvious example of a backup caliber QB that can crush it as a starter for a few games before coming back to earth. IMO, he is not.

We kind of do our NCAA football talking here, so it is probably redundant.

I think we would have a $5 mil cap hit in 2021 and 2022 for that prorated bonus.

I would rather sign a different, cheaper veteran if that is the route we decided to take. We can probably get a vet on a deal less than half what Teddy would be in 2021. Even with the dead cap hit, if we can get someone to take him in a trade(even if we have to give up a draft pick) we would have a big chunk of money to roll towards 2022 cap or we could use it to help us fill out that OL(or some other need position) in free agency. The more I look at the scenarios, the more convinced I am we need to trade Teddy away to get out of that that deal, even if it means giving up draft capital to do it. When it was signed, I didn't realize how incredibly bad that it would look in hindsight. All of my assumptions with the deal were that Teddy would be a ho-hum NFL starter, not that he would prove to be a backup caliber player.

Unless we trade him(which may entail us giving up a pick to get rid of him). We could trade him and get a big cap break. He has $10 mil in guaranteed money in 2021 but I am not sure how that guarantee is written. It is possible they can simply jettison him with no penalty, like we could have with Russell Okung last season.

Most of the weaknesses that he points out are things that can easily be remedied versus him just not having the abilities. I think he can tighten up that footwork before the combine/work outs and probably have that on the road to being corrected by the time he arrives at his new team.

I think it was the latter scenario. Keep in mind, you learn as much(sometimes more) from seeing bad performances from employees as you do good ones. Now he is at least aware of the red flags that can exist. Also, I believe he was on record as saying his first season in Carolina was more about fixing the organizational flaws on the business side of the Panthers(something he didn't have a learning curve to deal with). It seems like he has been fairly methodical about the changes, rather than burning it all to the ground at once and trying to rebuild everything from ashes.

1. Jeremy Chinn 1a. Brian Burns 3. CMC 4. DJ Moore

It would have to be a salary cap heavy team. It is possible....albeit not likely