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I am caught up on the money plus I don't really view him the same way you do. I view him as a better backup option than Walker and Grier but not too much more than that. I don't view him as capable of starting for an NFL team for more than a couple of games a season. The Bears just didn't have a lot of great options. I am primarily caught up on tying up that kind of money on a subpar player. With that $8-9 mil, we could get some serious help on the OL or in the secondary. I just can't envision being able to justify spending that on a player of his caliber.

That would be a top 5 backup QB contract last season. I don't see any reason to pay that for him. If we had cash like the Jags or Colts or Pats....sure. But we don't.

I think the story for Trubisky has largely been written, but perhaps he is an outlier. I agree about Lance but I still don't want to be paying another backup caliber QB a big contract. The scenarios probably don't work out to even sign him, in all honesty. I can't see us spending big on a QB if we cut Teddy or if we keep Teddy. I am skeptical of being able to trade Teddy. Maybe we will have more of an idea about the direction we will go when free agency starts.

I don't really view a scenario of him starting here as a win for us, unless it is injury related. IMO, there is no reason to get desperate at QB unless we trade or cut Teddy and then whiff in the draft. I'd rather take a flier on a QB prospect in the 2nd round rather than pay a big salary for Trubisky. We basically know what he is. He's a low end gunslinger that cannot be consistent. He's a poor man's Fitzpatrick, basically.

You can point to Hill too but I don't think you will see the situation of overpaying backup QB's be the norm. Brissett also got that contract to technically be the starter. Same as when Foles got his big deal or Glennon. They just proved to be something other than that and none of these big contracts for those kind of guys have looked good in hindsight. Like I said, I see nothing about Trubisky that makes me want to make him a highly paid backup QB.

I understand but I don't think it is wise to have that kind of money tied up in a backup QB at the moment. I'd rather sign a cheaper veteran QB if we need a #2. Ideally, it would make sense to try and roll as much money as we can over to 2022. I like Trubisky as a cheap backup, not a top 4 paid backup.

I think that is just basically making the Teddy mistake all over again. Tubisky should be looking at a Cam/Winston contract and not a Mariotta contract. We can't keep throwing away money mindlessly as a franchise. If anyone wants to pay him $8+ mil, they are welcome to him.

Jacksonville would be crazy to give up Minshew for that kind of a pick. Frankly, I would probably want a first round pick for him. He is INSANELY cheap and probably the best backup QB in the NFL.

Agreed but we also thought he might be a bottom end to middle tier NFL starter when he proved to just be a journeyman backup QB. I think that has changed the situation quite a bit. I definitely don't care about his feelings. We will see how it all goes down. Hindsight definitely hasn't been kind to the Hurney/Rhule combo from the 2020 offseason. That's another scary thought, what if Rhule was sold on guys like Whitehead, Teddy, Weatherly, etc. I hope we can end up blaming that on Hurney.

I don't 100% disagree with this but you are also kicking the can towards years in which we will be needing to have room for our younger/core guys to get extended. If the cap makes a huge leap due to the new TV deals, perhaps I can understand the move. I, like so many here, just don't have a lot of faith historically in such moves because they were so often not to our benefit. Perhaps the real issue is just "Battered Fan Syndrome."

I think you play the board but it would be hard to pass on Lance at 8 if he is available. That is gonna depend on what our scouting department comes up with. It could be we wouldn't touch Lance or Jones or Mond in the first round at all. I am not gonna be upset about getting a top end CB or OT at 8.

The rumor mill about him being on the outs here. I agree taking that dead cap hit wouldn't be wise but probably rolling into 2021 with a lame duck QB isn't either. If we can't trade him then most of the scenarios we are looking at are probably touchy or just bad. It's going to be interesting to see what transpires.

I would say Teddy actually has a better arm than Jones. I don't think Jones is plagued by Teddy's gross risk aversion.

I don't know if some of the rumblings are true. I guess I am just not sure how you trot him back out there after this offseason. If we sign someone else or draft someone else, we would have the most expensive backup QB in the NFL and by a significant margin(possibly the most expensive backup in NFL history). It seems like trotting out Teddy again would generally be problematic. Does he have trade value? To be determined.

What do we do with Teddy if we go JAG free agent signing, though? Cut him?

I always just post the career leaders from the NCAA in yardage, TD's, completion percentage, etc. If people haven't figured this out by now, there just isn't much to even say to them. College is an incredibly skewed and very tilted playing field that can create some extremely skewed results. Video game stats are meaningless without NFL traits. That is obvious with every single position.

Definitely disagree. Mechanical issues are very common in prospects, as are guys that come from gimmicky or one read college offenses. That is actually something the NFL has actually had to adjust to to make that transition easier. Guys that don't fix mechanical things in the NFL just lack work ethic. That said, there are guys like Mahomes that can make these nutty throws without being perfect. Kyle Wilson is an example of that.

Would have been nice to get a fifth and sixth. Either way, 100% agree. The depth on our roster overall is probably the worst in the NFL. Those kind of picks are necessary to resolve that.

The Brady comparison is always a terrible comparison. Name another Brady like result with relatively average/above average skill set? Outliers don't define smart moves. The league has made a move towards guys that are more mobile and have elite skills because it makes your offense so much harder to defend. Jones had very little in the way of elite skill sets. If he DOES have elite processing, that helps a lot. However, he needs things to go right around him to help him be successful(and yes this could be said of many QB's). Not having an elite arm or being an elite athlete is always going to make you have to work harder to be successful. Where Lawrence, Fields, Lance or Wilson might be able to throw lasers into windows, Jones isn't going to be able to do that. Where the play breaks down and you need an off platform throw, Wilson can make that. Lance and Fields can punish you scrambling. The is the problem with the low ceiling guys, they have to really work hard to achieve an edge. Jones has to be willing to do that. Guys like Brady or Brees don't come around often. Hell, if Bledsoe doesn't get injured, there may be no Tom Brady story. If San Diego doesn't draft Rivers, there may be no Drew Brees story.

I am way off on what we should pay him? Absolutely not. He may get that, I just hope we aren't the dumb franchise that does it. He has one more NFL stop where people see "potential." After that he will just be what he has been, not an NFL caliber starting QB. Basically the same thing Teddy was for us in a different form. People like to quote the Tannehill scenario but that is a big outlier. There are way more guys that got a big contract to be the guy and ended up being backup/journeyman QB's(Foles, Flacco, Bradford, Glennon, Teddy, Cassell, etc). There are even more guys that were ruined after they were initially a bust with the team that drafted them in the top 10. Those are two big examples of why you don't want to gamble big on a reclamation project. They very, very, very rarely pan out. Especially with a guy like Trubisky who, although clearly talented, has never shown any ability to be consistent nor really improve. I'd love to have him as an upgrade over Walker or Grier as our backup but I am not going to pay Taysom Hill money for a backup.

In fairness, we could end up being wrong on our takes of this....but this just seems so disturbingly familiar.

Pretty sure Moton has been playing at Moton his entire life.

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Scott, Little and Daley at LT made me puke in my mouth a little. Okay, a lot.