kungfoodude

I am afraid to say that statement because I can definitely see scenarios where he ISN'T as good as Teddy. That scares me most.

Did you just claim the last ten years was a "different era?" Lol....wut?

We didn't make him any more the "game be of" our team than we did Teddy. He is just as easily discarded. I wasn't a big fan of the move but I understand it. When you are down to your fourth best option, that's how you get to Sam Darnold.

I know. I honestly thought it was going to be the easiest opponent we faced all playoffs. I still to this day believe that to be the case, for that matter.

2020 Darnold has some inkling of potential to be better, albeit unlikely. 2015 Peyton Manning was the crushed remains of the shell of an NFL player. Not a great comparison. Also, there are more suspect QB's that go drug to championships in the past 25 years. Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson come to mind. There is an argument for Eli Manning, although he is probably somewhere in between the great QB's and the average guys.

There haven't been many QB's since Peyton Manning in 2015 that have been as bad with at least 9 starts in a season. I am amazed anyone can forget how terrible he was.

We should know if Darnold is better than Foles after this coming season. If Darnold flames out as a starter here, I'd say Nick Foles is a very good comparison.

The biggest contribution that Peyton Manning exhibited in 2015 was to Brock Osweiler's pockets. In fact, Brock was a far, far, far, far better QB on that team in his 7 starts for Denver. Peyton was the worst starting QB in the NFL in 2015. Your memory must be of pre-2015 Manning.

Green Bay has been a consistent team in the NFC. The Seahawks have been extremely consistent.

In the scenario where a QB has slid to us, why do you think that we would suddenly get a haul that a team in front of us wouldn't? In most of those "slide" scenarios historically, the draft media turned out to be more hyped on a prospect than the NFL front offices were. That probably means we aren't as likely to get a haul of picks in a trade up for a sliding QB.

Well, never say never. They said that it wouldn't happen in the free agency era, yet it did.

2020 Sam Darnold was much better than 2015 Peyton Manning. That really isn't even a discussion.

Consistent game winner or consistent Super Bowl winner? The former we can build with a "Jake type QB" the latter is HIGHLY unlikely. I have no idea what we are hoping to build here. I am not sure anyone outside of the organization has any idea what we are doing at this point.

They win every once in a blue moon, usually aided by an unbelievable defense.

You are making a lot of assumptions. You are assuming we fix our offensive line in the draft(history hasn't been kind on this). You are assuming that the QB's available to us are projects. You are assuming that we care about safety(history hasn't been kind here either). This trade being a positive hinges on quite a few things. The first being that 2021 Sam Darnold is better than 2018-2020 Sam Darnold. The second is that we actually DO invest that #8 pick on an OT and finally focus this draft on fixing our cellar-dwelling OL. We'll see how that works out. I am.....kind of skeptical at this point.

Well, the Rivera and Hurney episodes show he is slow to move people on it.

This definitely feels like a "we gotta do something, right?" kind of move. I don't doubt that they did their due diligence but it really does look like the entire offseason the plan was that Teddy wouldn't be starting in 2021. I think that is how you get to where you make a move like that for Darnold.

If they are pining for a "quick fix" solution(which does fit with the QB moves over the past two offseasons), I suspect this may well all end in tears. They wouldn't be the first nor last NFL staff done in by not being able to find a franchise QB.

They are at Target.

His upside is higher than Teddy. I think his floor is lower, unfortunately.

Get your bets in now.

I don't think that is likely, nor would it be wise. Kyle Pitts has the potential to be a great weapon in the NFL, however a TE/WR is of pretty minimal value when you are comparing it to QB or LT. If you have the chance to take Fields/Lance/Sewell/Slater at 8, you jump at it.

I believe all of that is fully guaranteed money(I know this year is all guaranteed). If so we are trading $33 mil in guaranteed money for $23 mil in guaranteed money. I guess that is progress??

If Fields/Lance or Sewell/Slater is available, you would still trade into the second round?

But it is also not very sure, not very safe and not very cheap(especially with his 5th year option). We didn't put all our eggs in one basket, though. We almost had Matthew Stafford before the Watson thing heated up. IMO, this really is our last and most desperate attempt to replace Teddy. It's the desperate part that I am concerned about. I do kind of agree on selling the farm to move up. There isn't much of a farm to sell. The back 40 we'd have to give up is on a 42 acre lot.