kungfoodude

Both Wilson and Lance have stronger arms than Howell(Lance not as much as Wilson). Lance is a better athlete than Howell(a very good athlete in his own right at the college level). Lance has high intangibles, all you have to do is dig into his background and that sticks out immediately. Especially with Lance the football IQ is exceptional and his work ethic is exceptional. When you look across the board, Wilson was just better at everything than Howell(deep ball accuracy, off platform throws, etc). The only genuine advantage Howell probably has are college reps. He is the far more experienced college player. Howell also is coming from a largely one read offense, so he seems to be lacking in seeing the field well. That's not entirely his fault but it does brings questions about his ability to see the field(something Malik Willis is atrocious at). Howell has a nice deep ball but had issues in college with accuracy and traditionally that is a trait that doesn't get better in the NFL(two of three seasons with sub-63% completion percentage).

I mean, if you can't understand what that means, I am not sure you really are going to understand much about even rudimentary prospect evaluation.

I would have taken Wentz, Trubisky, Winston or any number of other reclaimation QB's over Darnold. He was obviously a bust. But our braintrust thought he looked like Matt Stafford. That speaks volumes.

It's a new world. Social media follows and unfollows are the temperature check on relationships. Wow.

You mean other than the extremely obvious physical traits?

This scenario applies to us. You are probably about to see Rhule say "hold my beer" on that sentiment. It can get a lot worse, even if you are already picking in the top 10.

Yeah, for all the Howell stans....you know we can just get Trubisky for nickels and won't cost us any draft capital, right? And Trubisky may be a better NFL QB than Howell(wouldn't surprise me). I don't expect Trubisky to come here and light it up but that is one of the better low risk, low cost gambles for a QB competiton with Sam I Am.

So many of us. It isn't a minority opinion. It's basically consensus at this point.

I mean....you are a Panthers fan, right?

All those early projections are typically based on initial impressions and/or expectations of progression. Remember, Spencer Rattler was also projected as a top 10 pick too. What happened with those guys is that they didn't improve and under increased scrutiny(film study, watching workouts, etc) they didn't hold up. The Senior Bowl was the perfect example of that. Willis impressed the way you expected him to, his raw physical talent. But all his question marks about questionable decision making or being a one read guy, that didn't improve. Same with Howell. He's a gamer and he has some decent tools but he doesn't appear to have any elite traits. He didn't shine and he didn't stink it up. So is he a guy you want to hitch your franchise future to in the 1st round?

You are also making an assumption that SF wouldn't end up with a top 10 pick if they don't have a franchise QB. That is the big risk with that move. If you miss, your shot at a franchise QB is probably gone for three years if you can't make something happen in free agency. That is why I say "franchise altering." It is hard to keep a team together for three years in the NFL, espwcially if things don't go well. Or maybe your coach gets canned. Yeah, whiffing when you make that kind of gamble....it IS franchise altering.

I don't think that is gonna go the way we want it to go.

Or you could just lean towards not taking one of them at all.

That's not the answer. Taking injury prone OL worked well for us last offseason. It worked 1000%. You just can't see it.

I think the answer seems a little obvious. He's a backup.

Just what we need, a very immobile QB.

Remember, he and Tepper are smarter than these scouts.

Yeah, because that is always how it works. Any other cherry picking you'd like to try to salvage your argument?

You don't even believe your own argument. If you trade up for a QB at the price of three 1st rounders, that is three whiffs. Not to mention, those were two other potential QB's you can't take. QB's are franchise altering, you say, well whiffing and not being able to pivot and try again is.....franchise altering. That is quite literally what you are missing. Those were two more potential shots at that QB.

Yeah, if I just cherry picked a three year stretch and manufactured where they would be drafting, I guess I would have an opinion that stupid too.

You are entitled to your opinion but they also have zero shot to draft a QB in the next few drafts if they whiff. So....yeah, franchise altering. You trade that kind of haul, you have to hit. Be because it bankrupts your ability to add high caliber, cheap talent for multiple seasons. Look no further than our idiotic trading which basically has us down to a "one and done" draft.

You didn't miss anything. None of the QB's played any better than they did during the practices. A few flash plays from Willis, Howell, Ridder, Strong and then a bunch of inconsistency. Just a really bad class. Maybe Corrall impresses. He is about all the hope left.

I don't disagree but I also think this is the one class you just don't want to gamble. We had our shot last season with Fields and Jones on the board. All these 2022 QB's scream 2nd or 3rd string NFL guys. But I am also very biased towards OL due to the situation there. The odds of hitting a HR at OL seem so high.