kungfoodude

TBH, they are in a transitional period with their core, so I don't think it will be a big setback for them. Especially when you look at the structure. They have a pretty early out on the contract.

Canales getting outcoached by two new HC's is a sign, fellas.

I look at the young bust QB and draft QB as and/or options WITH an established veteran. Doesn't have to be a world beater of a vet. Brissett, Tyrod, Minshew, just a reasonable middling manager QB that can be relied on to not overwhelmingly fug it up.

Murray is better but I don't think he has much passion for being a great football player. He's only an option in my book if he is cheap, which I don't think will be the case in his first trip to free agency and/or a second team. Geno would be about as old as Dalton when we brought him in. He ain't a spring chicken. Would have to be cheap, again.

This is exactly the kind of offseason plan I would have. Get some varied options. Don't rest on our laurels with one decision that is likely to be bad.

I really don't think there are other areas of the playbook. This is the offense. Bryce can't make throws but this is the offense. I also think you are making some "coachability" assumptions with the young bust QB's. Howell is most likely just as not coachable as Winston. Just the kind of QB they are. Greatest strength is their greatest weakness. Hard to change that. The other guys(Lance/Levis) COULD possibly be someone that could develop but I generally would never put all or even most of my eggs in that basket. Get a legit veteran in here and let them continue to develop on a bench. That's where they belong until they are actually up to NFL speed.

Yeah, that fits with our current HC and his nonsense. IDGAF about the religiosity BS if it isn't rooted in some sort of scammy nonsense(see Rhule, Matt). Canales does smell like that kind of guy.

Look at contracts, several of these guys will not be available because of the cap damage getting rid of them will cause. Not going to go over it again. Also, Justin Fields is one of the very few NFL QB's who is actually a downgrade from Bryce. Geno or Murray would be interesting options, should they become available. I will say that we would have to likely give either of them a very large contract just to lure them here IF they become free agents.

I don't care about draft position. We picked #1 overall and it was a fuging disaster. We don't struggle with draft position, we struggle with talent evaluations. Just get a better QB. If the best option is 40+, whatever. We need to build a real team that has any fuging clue about what winning looks like and do it while continually improving this roster so that one day when "The Guy" eventually shows up, we can win from day 1. As I have stated over and over, with the lower tier options likely available in free agency and the draft, I would take some of Column A and Column B and maybe even Column C. Just spam options and see what happens. Better than just sitting on our hands and hoping Bryce will get hit with a dose of gamma radiation turning him into QB Hulk.

Trevor has regressed at an alarming speed. You can see Coen visibly frustrated with him during games. Reminds me of Steichen on the sidelines with AR. I will admit that Trevor, although a definite upgrade, would be 100x more infuriating because he literally has zero reason to be as bad as he is. He has almost every elite box checked outside athlete and brain.

Yeah, he is one of the biggest QB busts of my lifetime watching the NFL. Not because he's JaMarcus/Leaf terrible because he was one of the rare "generational" tag guys that ended up being a significantly below average NFL starter. I have always had the sneaking suspicion that he doesn't really have the passion for football at the NFL level.

Bridgewater probably could have been that guy for us. Just be competent until the real answer arrives. People railed against it saying we would never be in position to get another Cam. Then we trade up to get to that position in a panic and end up with Bryce. Grass ain't always greener and Rome wasn't built in a day. 1. Continue to build a good roster. 2. Attempt to upgrade the QB position, even if just incrementally. 3. Keep drafting QB's in the late rounds. 4. Don't be afraid of BPA if it is a QB in the 1st or 2nd at some point but don't reach. If you can do that, eventually you will either become a solid spot for an older veteran QB, you will land a Geno Smith type or you will land "The Guy" through the draft. It's not a quick fix but most of the quick fixes we have attempted under Tepper made us dramatically worse.

I don't know who is or isn't but what I do know is this roster is very short on players that even know what NFL success looks like. That's a problem immediately.

Admitting mistakes. Tepper is utterly incapable of that. He doesn't view his fug ups as mistakes, he most likely views them as others faults for convincing him or not accomplishing what they should have. It's not his fault, it's THEIR fault for failing him.

That's why I immediately bristle in regular life when I hear randos extoling the "genius" of a lot of the technocrat class without actually understanding the realities of those people.

I mean....show me the list of guys that have been in strong locker rooms in the first place? Moton? Wharton? JJ? Mitchell? Corbett? Lewis? Nijman? Robinson? Dalton? Dowdle? Brown III? Rozeboom? Wonnum? Jones? King of Pop? Scott? Martin? Moore? Hunt? Pretty sure that is the entire list of players on our roster who have experienced more than 1 winning season in their NFL careers. Not a joke. Notice how many are backups or special teams.

IDC what flavor of coaching background, just don't hire an obvious scam artists(Rhule) or people in way over their heads(Rhule/Canales) or head coaches that you give a list of people they have to hire(Reich). We have made just about every possible mistake hiring a head coach. Whatever your instincts are, Dave, immediately do the exact opposite.

I disagree. I do think Tepper was a predominant driving factor on the Bryce thing. Now, do I believe he was convinced of that by the "braintrust" at the time, including Dan? Absolutely. Tepper isn't going to accept any responsibility for all of these personnel hiring blunders. He is the type to believe that he knows best. It's literally his entire private life that indicates that. If you have ever been around these ultra wealthy types, the one thing they almost all share is that their success in their fields gives them a massive overconfidence in their ability to master areas outside of their expertise. That's David Tepper's NFL ownership in a nutshell.

I have seen maybe 2-3% of his snaps that show it. I don't think he will ever enjoy the game because it involves being passionate about football and getting better. None of that seems to be in his personality. He's just a guy that had a great college season and accidentally ended up here.

Yeah, this "Leadership Council" thing is highly suspect. It feels like a head coach, once again, wanting to be buddies with everyone and not step on any toes. I don't have an issue with a players coach like Ron was a players coach. He had their backs but he also was a strong cultural influence, as well. Also didn't have an issue with getting heated, calling people out, etc. Now his version of accountability was sometimes dubious but....

Any of the Dave Canales stans.....this is as big of a red flag as you could have. It took multiple seasons of Mike McDaniels to start seeing this type of poo pop up. Now we are getting it 1.5 seasons into his tenure here. It's all over, boys. This guy is already losing the team and somehow managing to do it while winning.

Baker was so clearly us being the problem on a complete disaster of an NFL coaching staff. Darnold would never have been successful here. I think he really needed a lot of time on the bench in a stable and very QB development friendly situation like the 49ers and Shanahan. Then another QB friendly situation in Minnesota that just requires him to not fug up with the platinum platter of playcalling and team around him. It has allowed him to finally start to develop. The Tepper era has been rife with hubris and the overwhelming confidence of a crowd of complete and utter idiots.

I mean, I am ready to move on to Dalton and then FA trash heap already this season. You know I would have relegated him to 3rd string by now. But, I don't think that is the way it will work out for us. If it takes the rest of the season of watching Bryce be himself to convince Tepper(most likely the last remaining unconvinced party) that we need to move on, by all means, sign me up for the rest of the season with Bryce. The last thing any of us want at this point is a further financial commitment to having Young on this team. Ideally, we move him in the offseason.

Baker was never at any point in his career a bust except maybe with Carolina, in which we set him up to fail to save the coach/GM. Darnold appears to potentially be a new Geno. I would give it at least another season before I am ready to make that leap. Another guy that would have never been successful here. Jones was never a true bust, IMO. Average to below average starting QB. Also his "ascension" is far from assured. This was far more fan hype as a "bust" than actual reality, IMO. Still TBD, ultimately. MAC Jones is the same middling game manager QB he was in New England but in a Kyle Shanahan offense. So, if you think Mac Jones is now a "success" is Brock Purdy an elite QB? Is he middle of the road?

Huddle: "I CAN'T BELIEVE WE TRADED THIS FOR BRYCE YOUNG WHAT A DISASTER!!!" Also Huddle, "WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WE CAN TO TRADE UP OR TRADE FOR OUR FRANCHISE QB!! SEND IT!!"