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I have the same suspicion. I am just waiting to see if that is confirmed in the offseason.

But the issue is that Young doesn't anticipate well often enough. He frequently misses those throws or is late on them because he is so fuging off schedule. The dedication comes from still having the same issues with awful footwork after three full offseasons and three full seasons. He literally sucks at one of the most basic elements of being a QB. And footwork and mechanics issues plague a LOT of young QB's. But it's rare that they have made so little improvements this deep into their careers, especially when they are the overwhelming bulk of the flaws in the overall player. IMO, that smacks of lack of dedication. As I stated earlier in this thread, he literally said he "stepped away from football" in his first offseason after his rookie year. Does that sound very dedicated? That's not normal high level competitor energy, I can tell you that.

Cam was an arm thrower with bad footwork habits too(not as bad as Bryce) but he also had a fuging howitzer attached to his body with that arm of his. Bryce has significantly below average arm strength when is base is so out of whack like it is so often. That's why we see all these off target or limp noodle passes. Bryce is literally the worst version of an arm throwing QB. I do think they did conspire to keep him from as many eyes as possible but admittedly that isn't a rare occurrence in the modern era. A lot of the top picks are choosing to skip these drills. It would be nice to see the NFL maybe make some of this stuff mandatory. It won't happen, obviously.

The NFL would gladly get rid of the refs if a lower cost and effective method were developed. Then they could bust a union and rid themselves of employees.

He could be 6-9 and he would still suck with the issues he has.

I am going to go back to watch his stuff at Alabama sometime this offseason and see if it was this obvious how terrible his footwork is. Maybe I just glossed over it. But, I am also not an experienced eye like a Kurt Warner or any of these other ex-NFL guys doing film breakdowns.

poo, go to the other thread. One of these MFer's is blaming the entire WR Corps for why Bryce didn't play well this year.

I mean....making the leap to "Bryce can only be successful with AT" is a WILD thing. Especially when you basically all but say AT is just better than TMac which I don't think many would agree with. There are elements of his game he is surely better at, which one would expect for a long tenured veteran WR. But I don't think(even that idiotic bum XL) the WR's were the problem with Bryce. I think the biggest problem with Bryce is very clear. He is not dedicated to becoming a good NFL player.

At this point, as much as you can blame him for not improving, the bulk of the blame goes to Dan Morgan and Dave Canales for not addressing the problem. In fact, in the 2026 NFL season, I will NEVER blame Bryce Young for a single ounce of his performance because these gentlemen will have had ample time and supposed professional eyes to diagnose the same things that almost everyone else can see. From 2026 onward, Bryce has zero blame in my eyes. This is all on the coaching staff and front office.

I think the problem has always been that he was never trained properly from the start. If you look at polished QB prospects, you will not see this BS over and over and over. It's always very raw guys or those with little QB experience historically that struggle with these kind of issues or just generally dumb QB's that can't really learn at all but they usually get filtered out at the HS/college level. I did not put as much stock in his mechanics issues because they ARE fixable during the draft. Now that we are this deep into his career with all those same issues, I think the problem is that he just doesn't have the will to change any of this. That's not something that is easy to diagnose. I sorely regret having him #1 on my QB board that offseason. Although I was right about the other two. CJ is a very good QB and Anthony Richardson is absolute garbage.

If we don't do that this offseason, I can assure you that from Dan Morgan down to Dave Canales, you can purge the whole lot of them as far as I am concerned. They will have wholly proven they are unfit to ever find a franchise QB.

Alright, that did make me laugh.

You have a portion of the fanbase blinded by Bryce hatred that screams "TOO SMALL! TOO WEAK!" and then the "Forever Brycers" that think he can do no wrong that are really jamming up the works with the content. It's not an accident that we keep seeing this fuging video breakdowns beating the same fuging horse for a third season about mechanics and footwork issues. Couple this with the fact that Bryce has been in more than one offense and had more than one HC, OC and QB coach in his three years. Yet somehow all these problems persist. So what's the common denominator? But yeah, it will be about how David Moore shouldn't be on the roster or Jake Curhan is better than Austin Corbett or Christian Roseboom is actually a good LB if you watch the games with a welding hood on or some other less impactful thing than......our QB isn't fuging dedicated to his craft.

He's a fuging backup. Ya'll are really on one with the backup drama this week.

I will gladly take a David Moore GW TD to prove me wrong.

I think it's less height related and more that he remains off schedule the bulk of every game. He has opportunities galore, he just doesn't take them. It's mechanics, it's confidence, it's everything. He. fuging. Stinks.

Even Cam at the end fixed some issues with his throwing mechanics, largely because his arm was shot. Mechanics are about drilling over and over and over. This is why QB camps exist and working out in the offseason with personal QB coaches and so on. Every elite QB is constantly trying to improve and reinforce the basics because that is how you train yourself to eliminate bad habits. This is no different than kickers or punters or wide receivers or golfers or batters or..... That's the point. You train to rid yourself of the bad habits. If you recall, I believe it was after Bryce's rookie season he supposedly "took time away from football" over the summer. So, instead of working to improve himself he just escaped away. Sound familiar? It should. That's Jamarcus Russell or Kyler Murray lack of dedication. I am coming to think that is one of the bigger issues with Bryce. He either has no will to improve at all or he doesn't believe it is as big of an issue as it clearly is.

Lol. Yes. The people pointing at the only 1 Rec for 5 yards are missing the context of him playing less than 4 games on the season. Also, if we are going to use stats, he is technically our surest catcher on the roster at 100% catch rate. The people freaking out over him being activated are being hyperbolic. It's a fuging nothing move for a special teams guy and a depth WR. He ain't winning nor losing us a playoff game.

I mean, there are ample amounts of inconsequential bums on our roster to deactivate. If you were to guarantee no chance of injury, you could probably deactivate 10-20% of the entire game day roster with no problem. But, yes, XL SHOULD be the one deactivated. That poo should have happened weeks ago.

No. That would take a massive amount of data I would need to crunch. If the dumb NFL would show a little more of the "behind the scenes" I could potentially subscribe to NFL Pro and get access to way more data from NFL NGS and maybe even potentially feed those datasets into AI(this is an ACTUAL use for AI) and have them sort them for me. Outside of that, it would take probably a week or so for me to manually do all the data entry for a season to even find out. And even then, I am only going to get partial data because the Game Center just shows the QB with the higher percentage of the playing time. I would be missing a small but significant chunk for in game substitutions/injuries/changes/etc.

AT was injured for a good chunk of that home stretch that Bryce was playing well. I don't think his success really has very much to do with WR's at all. DC deserves some blame for a bad offense but the majority of his lack of development is squarely his fault.

I disagree with the composure aspect because he freaks out so frequently and refuses to step up into the pocket so often when that is the correct play. I do agree on the lack of fire. An overwhelming majority of Bryce's flaws are things he simply refuses to fix. His footwork is fuging atrocious. That's on him. IMO, Bryce will be languishing as a backup for 1-3 years before he is out of the NFL once he leaves the Panthers. I think his NFL career is almost as close to the end as it is the beginning.

It's because his footwork and base is so atrocious(still). Until he cleans that up, he will never be making those throws with the anticipation and velocity necessary. I don't expect that will ever happen.

This is why I laugh at the "Well Canales has to cater his offense to noodle armed Bryce" guys. We are calling deep shots, he is not taking them even when they are available.

These same videos with these same issues have been getting released since his rookie year and we are seeing minimal improvements, at best. IMO, this is not something that is fixable. If we are through two "QB Guru" head coaches and he is still struggling with basic throw mechanics so often, this is not something that is fixable. It's been three full offseasons and three full seasons. This is inexcusable for this to be so incredibly common in each game. This place is squarely on Bryce. It is very apparent that he has zero inclination to improve himself at all. There is no way on earth I believe that of all the QB people around him in his NFL career that they are just shutting the fug up and ignoring all of this.