kungfoodude

It's not always the franchises fault for lack of development. Some of these guys just don't develop. Look at Arizona with Rosen and Murray. Do you think they were at fault for lack of development with Rosen? No, he just wasn't a guy. Doesn't mean he didn't have NFL caliber talent. Murray "developed" because he was an NFL ready player. Remember that we have already attempted a reclaimation project with David Carr. Sometimes it is tough to "unlearn" habits and sometimes it isn't just bad habits but core attributes. That is the thing we will see about Darnold. He has a reputation of making very poor decisions under pressure and bailing on plays to freelance. If he can limit both of those here, he is very likely to be successful. And we definitely did not sit on our ass waiting for a QB. One of our first moves of the offseason was to try and trade for Matt Stafford. The staff is very well aware of the importance of getting a QB.

In fairness, he will likely never be as good as Cam either. It's was easy to forgive all Cam's "eccentricities" when he was one of the best offensive weapons in the NFL.

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I hope you are right. If it busts, it is going to sour fans and media on the staff. I don't want that honeymoon to be over this early.

Yeah, the market will adjust. Luckily we have been cleaning up our cap issues the past couple of years and we should be good for a bit. If our draft picks start panning out at a higher rate, we will have some tough choices in the next 4-5 seasons, however. You can't keep them all, not even the Saints can.

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I think this is a very plausible rumor for a number of reasons. I don't know if I buy them being a candidate to continue shopping him. But, as you said, perhaps they don't think they can extend him so they want to get something for him. I would really hate to see him shipped off prior to this season.

The moves so far have definitely leaned under 30, FWIW. I wonder if this was just merely testing the market for big offers. May not mean much other than that. Considering how they traded down to gain more draft capital, they could have been shopping guys to accomplish the same thing.

Honestly, Charlie Campbell has been historically fairly accurate on that Hot Press feature. Not perfect but he does apparently have some pretty legit NFL sources.

It's funny how attached you are to the "I'm right/you're wrong" narrative. You do realize there is a difference between wanting someone to fail and just simply expecting them to, right? I think that seems to be the core of your emotional lashing out. You care more about your uneducated internet opinion than the success of this actual franchise. None of us want Darnold to fail(or none of us should) because then we descend further into the NFL cellar and/or we have to rinse and repeat this QB search again. I hope no one is enjoying this parade of QB's we have been fielding since Cam declined. This has been anything but fun.

Man, I sure hope not.

Well, Fitt seems very deal heavy. I wonder what if any offers were made for him. Or what we were looking for in return. I hope Marshall plays really well(and stays healthy) and we have a replacement for him. I definitely don't want to see Anderson and Samuel leave and not have good replacements.

Looks like only five total. It's funny, we hit on our first three and have been 0-2 since.

As far as just being a bust, you can compare any of our draft picks. If you were talking specifically OT busts, I guess that is valid. That is a pretty small pool for us, though. I don't think we have taken many OT's in the first two rounds in our history. I'll look and see.

In case you haven't noticed, these emotional children aren't real keen on research or facts. Reminds me of the angry Twitter mobs lashing out irrationally at anything they don't agree with.

Yeah, luckily the early slate has some margin for error based on the opponents. If that schedule was flipped, I think things could have been pretty rough in the first half. Yeah, and as much as Darnold is likely to be viewed as merely a backup after his time here, he could certainly prove to be a valuable backup later in his career. Some of these first round bust QB's have actually had lengthy careers as journeyman backups. They don't all end up out of the NFL in short order like the Russell's and Leaf's.

Thanks for the rent free space in your head.

I expect Darnold to show very marginal improvement but still be plagued by poor decisions. I still am not going to make a judgment until probably halfway through the season, at the earliest. As much as we want to see him come out guns blazing in Game 1 he isn't the only new piece to this offense, so I expect some general growing pains to go through in the first few games. Especially with so many of the new pieces being very young players and/or rookies.

Snake, I know you are on Otah for some reason but he actually had a valid reason for flaming out and he actually played quite well when he saw the field. Was the pick a bust overall? Yes. Was it the same kind of bust as Little or Clausen? Absolutely not. Those aren't comparable because he was actually a very effective player for us when he played.

There were a lot of guys that avoided long term contracts this past offseson because the expectation is that the salary cap will skyrocket with the new TV deal.

100% agree. He was conservative to a fault. I get he didn't have much time because our OL was subpar, but had he possessed some amount of courage to take some chances, we are probably looking at being a fringe playoff team in year one of this rebuild.

Yeah. I know the New York media is crazy and so is that spotlight there but it isn't going to get any less bright given the position he is in. And we have no backup plan, so he can't fade quietly into the background if things start going south.

Yep. Like it or not, the Panthers are going to the answer the Sam Darnold question in 2021. If he flames out or is mediocre here, he will be relegated to being a backup QB the rest of his NFL career.

Yeah, most QB's SHOULD be successful in this system. It isn't perfect by any means but it is definitely QB friendly. That's why Teddy's failure was so telling, IMO. If he couldn't succeed with what we had(OL problems aside), when is he going to succeed? It's rare to have absolutely perfect conditions and Teddy seems to be a guy that needs that(see New Orleans). Let's hope Darnold doesn't end up being our second consecutive QB that needs an almost perfect situation to succeed.

You mean like the Saints were probably laughing last year?