kungfoodude

No, he never had the kind of success those guys did. Predominantly because he wasn't a coach very long, even in college and went from one program to the next. Remember, his college winning percentage was only 0.522. That's because he built and then bolted. It could easily be argued that is a more valuable trait than going to a college power and succeeding but not all those coaches who came in had a stacked deck at every place they were successful in college. IMO, college success isn't a great predictor of NFL success(to be clear: I have NOT vetted this statement statistically) because the reasons for success in college football don't translate to the NFL. Same sport, but vast differences. It's like comparing NASCAR success to NHRA success. Both racing but completely different kinds.

This was literally the point you stopped reading the post and reacted.

Dead cap is already spent. Mostly tied to bonuses/guarantees that have long been spent but the NFL's rules allow to be spread out over the course of a few seasons for accounting/flexibility purposes. It's money that cannot be spent in that given year.

We still have Burns coming up too. The more money we can keep rolling over the better. Especially with what looks to be a solid, young core.

Yeah but the ORGANIZATION is aware that we aren't a Super Bowl team this season. The coaches and players have to believe they can. Otherwise it's over before it started.

Almost every college head coach gets this thrown at them. The Baylor/Temple thing doesn't bother me. It only lasts so long anyway because the pool of guys they know(pre-NFL) grows smaller and smaller as the years pass.

Seems like the trend is actually void years and not front loading.

I don't think any blanket statement applies to what we are doing. It's not like Rivera where he seemed to have some very inflexible rules and principles. I think Rhule and Co. seem to have a general framework for what they want to achieve but with some case by case flexibility built in to achieve it. But....we also don't have the track record and information to discern trends on this coaching staff yet.

Hard to be better prepared for life in the NFL than having a very successful family member that has already played. You get the information about how to conduct yourself and the behind the scenes aspects of being a professional that you can't get from just about anywhere else. Worth it's weight in gold alone.

But he got better in his second stint and was extremely successful in his third stint. The great Bill Belichick was considered a failure in his first NFL head coaching stint. If you go back to my initial response, that's basically why I said we probably won't know until either they have a few more cracks at it. If that even happens for either of them. It might not feel great to us as Panthers fans, but if Matt Rhule ends up being a successful NFL Head Coach, it very well may not be with the Carolina Panthers. It would hurt but it wouldn't be rare.

Well, the data should show something. Whether it is very conclusive will be interesting. It might not be even something that is statistically significant.

Most head coaches are largely managers or figureheads to an extent, college or NFL. I agree that Rhule's ability to build success at multiple stops is impressive but Nick Saban had/has that track record as well, as does Urban Meyer. Also at programs that weren't powers and powers. I can break this down to fine statistics about which situation or background has had the most success and in what scenario but at the end of the day, it's about the person and about the situation more than anything else. For the Jets and Panthers, the situations are obviously very bad. Which is better or worse is likely to be a hindsight discussion because we rarely get to see behind the curtain completely to even know what all the circumstances in the organization are that could potentially torpedo something g promising. Same with the people. We know the backgrounds of both of these successful coaches in their previous stops....that weren't as NFL head coaches. We don't know if they will be able to thrive in their first stop as NFL head coaches or not. Maybe in about 3 years and we should have a fairly good idea.

It's more than two. Frankly, there has only been one successful example(within the last 25-30 years) and that was Harbaugh. But he was technically an NFL guy before he was a college guy. I will put together a little write up on it with some basic scenarios and bounce it off of W/L records, playoff appearances, etc. I suspect the data is going to show that NFL background does have an impact on overall success.

I'd have to run the numbers but the success rate of the college head coaches to the NFL in the last 25-30 years has been ridiculously low. I can do a little statistical breakdown this week, perhaps and we can see what the full picture is. Might be worth a look to see if this generally accepted wisdom is accurate or not.

I disagree. The only big snag in the NFL being able to mandate that is that they have to deal with the NFLPA and, to some extent, public perception. It has nothing to do with it being more at risk of being sued versus the public sector or private sector.

The overwhelming bulk of the remaining unvaccinated people have zero interest in being vaccinated nor care about the risks. There is a point where you can only protect people from themselves but so much. If you really want to stop that, you would not allow unvaccinated people into NFL stadiums under any conditions. The practicality of that in the US is muddy, at best. We also generally accept that the vaccinated have far lower rates of hospitalization and death, even if they can still get sick and potentially spread the virus. I don't want to make this false equivalency, but we do accept this kind of risk of spreading sickness with the flu every season. At the end of the day, the money is gonna win out and it has.

I can't say for sure Rhule will be better. I have been a Panthers fan long enough that I am more inclined to wait and see(especially when we are talking about a guy with one season of NFL HC experience to date). Saleh is a safer bet just simply because college head coaches don't usually get as many second chances in the NFL as coordinators turned failed head coaches. Rightly or wrongly, that is just how it has generally been. If you wanted to make the best bet possible, you'd bet on both of them to be failed NFL head coaches. It is the most common result, by a wide, wide margin.

I think that basically boils down to college vs. NFL. The track record of college head coaches to NFL head coaches is generally very poor. The obvious counter is that the road is littered with brilliant NFL coordinators that didn't make good NFL head coaches. Quite a few of those guys get multiple shots at it, however. Not as many college head coaches get second NFL chances of they flame out the first time.

I don't think so. The amount of teams that have said no, including us, is pretty indicative that something is up. He must be washed up pretty badly.

I don't know. I am pretty confused by what we are generally doing after our cuts. I feel like LB and OL are obvious needs. I just don't necessarily know if the coaching staff sees those as needs.

It just depends on the career arc. Both coach for historically dysfunctional organizations. It probably will depend in their second, third, fourth, etc stops. I think Saleh is definitely set up for more success with 15 years of NFL coaching in his background. I think Rhule has higher potential but it's also possible he may not reach it until his second or third NFL gig. Saleh also has a track record of success as a coordinator in the league, so he is likely to continue to be employed in the NFL even if he gets fired as head coach. Rhule is sort of a jack of all trades, master of none as a coach in his career. He is probably more likely to jump back to college if he gets fired from Carolina.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32121794/jacksonville-jaguars-urban-meyer-says-vaccination-status-factor-roster-cuts

It sucks but we have seen that you can basically keep trying guys out over the course of the season until you get it right. Might cost you some W's. In Detroit case, I don't think that is as big of a deterrent.

I really don't know. Some of the cuts we made were a little head scratching. Seems like when we think the staff/FO is gonna zig they zag. Don't really even mean that so much as shade as I don't think we really have enough info on what their master plan or tendencies are yet. It's sometimes hard to predict what their priorities are.