kungfoodude

That's actually a great comparison and a great point.

Lol. Yeah, Darnold is really bad but people forget some of the poo we have seen at that position in our history.

I would say that having a better OL would be the fix but he struggles as much or more when he has time to throw. Case in point, that INT to start the Vikings game. He has what, 5-6 seconds? Everyone was covered and he tries to force the ball throwing across the field in a position that any college QB knows you can't throw that ball. That's the issue with Sam Darnold. There is absolutely no evidence he is learning or improving his decision making or processing.

Redzone INT's are always crippling. It just helps that you are playing the Lions. Listen, if they opt for PJ at some point this season, so be it. I just don't think any of us are going to head into 2022 saying, "Boy I really think we got something in this Walker kid!" More like the 2019 season when we ended it thinking, "Three QB's and not a one of them worth a fug."

As bad as the last two losses have looked, we have more team positives than team negatives, IMO. I said as much after the Philly loss. The talent on this team is undeniable and when you have a guy like Taylor step in and play well and then a guy like Luvu play like a monster, it just shows how much better this roster is getting. For QB and OL, there isn't much if any hope but the roster holes are pretty limited after that. It won't be in 2021 and probably not 2022 but this team has the makings of a serious contender.

Agreed. Our struggles offensively have been equal parts terrible OL play, terrible QB play and terrible playcalling. I think if any two of the three were better, the remaining one would be so bad it caused an issue ultimately. I get that the cards Brady has been dealt have been poo but a real offensive genius would be able to get the maximum out of the turds they had, even if only so much shine could be put on them. Brady isn't able to do that.

I don't think we need to try and get a QB from this 2022 crop. We have precious little draft resources left and our OL needs are critical and much easier to hit on than a QB. Perhaps a FA QB would be available that is an improvement from Darnold. I'm all for that route, as well. Preferably a solid veteran and not a reclaimation bust.

I think Teddy is a better overall QB because you do know what you are getting out of him, as little as that is. I definitely see how Teddy can make it appear he is better than he actually is. Sam is just too frenetic to be successful. The gunslinger types need to have more highs than lows and Sam doesn't have that. It's why bad gunslingers appear to be so fuging bad. But, neither of them are what a successful NFL franchise would ever want.

I can't say that I would put all that on Brady. The playcalling however.......no bueno. If there is a staff sacrificial lamb this season, I'd put money on him being the one.

He has exhausted his chances and he is who he is. I am not against bringing him back during the OL rebuild if we can't find a better option at QB. This is a shitty QB draft and we have little to no draft picks. Go all in on the OL building for the next 2-3 offseasons and then try and identify a FA or draft QB to go snag. I have no issue with Darnold playing out his contract if there isn't something else available.

100% agree. It isn't likely we can build this OL in one offseason, it's going to take a while. I'd rather just let Sam get shelled back there if we don't have a better option in 2022. Especially if we don't have a cheaper option. It boggles my mind we didn't try and get Minshew. What a great option he would have been to battle with Darnold or at least improve from PJ.

Eh....I mean if you look at his stats through 6 games in Denver and his full season stats from 2020 they are almost carbon copies other than the TD:INT ratio and maybe the fact that he is getting sacked a LOT more in Denver. I think Teddy is just who he is, same way that Sam is. There aren't wild swings in statistical deviations just about Teddy's entire career.

Yeah, I suspect it is a lot of your ignore list because they pop up in just about every WR/QB/OC thread. At least the contingent is getting smaller. He isn't to blame for the drops. The hospital balls(he threw two) he is to blame for. But, that goes back to his processing difficulties. He isn't to blame for the shitty blocking. He isn't to blame for the shitty playcalling. But, he is still the second biggest issue on that side of the ball.

I do not want to give him three years. Four years of this is enough for me to see what he is. As I said before the season, there is little to no history of these bust QB reclaimation projects panning out because they usually were busts for obvious reasons. Darnold is no different. I wish we had not made the extremely foolish decision to put a bottom 5 OL in front of him. I think he would have still failed but I don't think it would have been this dramatic and even if he was failing, we might have had a dominant running attack to carry the load. I don't have big qualms with Snow, he's been a legit surprise. I think our biggest issue on defense is the amount of players we have out with injury. It's actually been pretty insane they have been this good as many guys as we have lost to injuries on that side of the ball. Brady.....well.....I agree. I know he is getting dealt a bad hand(again) with a bad QB and bad OL for a second straight year but that doesn't account for the repetitive playcalling and head scratching calls. I think he jumped too quickly up the ranks. Probably should have cut his teeth as an actual OC in college for a while. Heinicke is a nice story and might be a low end starter in the NFL. I'd love to have him back now, that's for sure.

Maybe we can get them some VR goggles that forces them to see QB's like they do CB's. Actually, probably need to snag an OL/DL set for them first.

It is 100% not. Feel free to peruse the dozens of threads where you have his defenders out in full force blaming everyone in the world for the struggling but him. Feel free, they aren't hard to find.

I have no idea what logical leap you are making. I fully expected to watch Sam struggle all season, so this is not even remotely surprising to me. Nor am I one of these guys that wants to see PJ do the same thing as Sam. We are stuck with him until he gets injured or the season ends. It just is what it is.

No, I don't think so. I loved Beuerlein. He is a far better QB with far less talent than Sam Darnold. I think with a good line he would still struggle because it isn't pressure, it's processing. My God, look at all the write ups from last year about his time with the Jets and how he actually struggled more in a clean pocket than with pressure. That's probably because he is being forced to throw the ball instead of just sitting back there and struggling to decide what to do. Look at the tape, he literally does that constantly.

Well Will Grier had stronger arm than Sam Darnold, how did that work out? Also, athleticism Teddy could only dream about??? You just exposed yourself.

I disagree. Most of the fingers are being pointed at the obvious issues. The OL, Darnold and Brady. Those are the top three reasons we are failing(probably in order). It blows my mind the people that want to exclude Darnold. He is extremely clearly part of the problem and a very big part of it.

Yeah and I don't really even see why there is a need to prove this via statistical methods. My God....watch the motherfuger play! Holy poo. Late passes, ill advised passes, etc, etc. He cannot wrap his head around throwing the ball away about 40% of the time. It's nuts. But, then he will make some crazy completion and that is all those guys can see. I just don't understand it. Why in the hell do you want a QB that struggles this much with decision making?

The OL wasn't much better last year. I know that people threw up a few stats supporting having a slightly below average OL in 2020 but a HUGE portion of that was Teddy getting rid of the ball very quickly, which suited the Brady scheme. That made that 2020 OL look much better than it actually was. IMO, this isn't dramatically different than that line. Hell, we keep seeing mostly the same players and most of them look a lot worse. Why? The QB holds on to the ball forever trying to figure out what he is seeing or trying to make a play when there isn't one to make. Like @LinvilleGorge quoted, those Time To Throw stats are pretty damning in that regard. This line has been atrocious for a while now.

Let me be blunt for those that are somehow interpreting this thread as a defense of Teddy. It is most certainly not. I am showing that Darnold is as bad or worse than Teddy, the guy we all(or almost all) agreed needed to be shown the door. That's my point. That's where this whole Darnold experiment is headed.

You can invent whatever false scenario you want in your head to justify your hope in this kid. It isn't going to make it easier as the season progresses and you see what is about to transpire. I'm sure some will be back in when he has a great game(which statistically he should have at least one) but the rest is going to be mediocre to bad....because that is what his entire career has been. I get how seductive the idea of Darnold's age and his talent are, I really do. But you just simply have to watch the film and games to see that isn't what is going on at all. He is just as incapable of consistently processing what he is seeing as he has always been. If you can't improve that this deep into your career(and he hasn't at all), the most likely scenario is that you just don't have that ability. He isn't the first and he won't be the last QB that has that problem.