kungfoodude

No, no, no. You do that AFTER hiring a head coach. You know, the way all successful franchises do!

IIRC, this was a podcast I tried out as a recommendation and within like 2 episodes the amount of inaccurate Stephen A Smith/Skip Bayless stupid statements was a torrent.

It's something Nate just created, so I am sure he will tweak it over time but.....replacement level does seem very accurate.

Not enough to actually matter.

My theory is that his passion is really doing the social media thing and not being an NFL player. Which, that's perfectly fine but you wouldn't be a social media draw if it weren't for the association with football.

In less of those cases than it appears. If incompetence takes root in the management structure, it quickly will overwhelm the hiring processes. Idiots multiply like rabbits and corporations are the ultimate cowards with next to zero ability to take the trash out. Poor performance is so very rarely a reason to lose your job in corporate America.

I am gonna be honest, at XL's extreme best moments for us so far, he has looked decent. That is a problem already. It hasn't taken Coker(a UDFA, mind you) or TMac to need a competent QB to show plenty of flashes. Hell, Tremayne has looked markedly better than XL. Same dumpster fire QB. There is no excuse to be giving next to no effort and mailing it in like XL has been this season. And that's after a season marked by drops and boneheaded plays. The truth is, he isn't an NFL player. Even a little bit. It's up to him if he ever wants to attempt it, but he hasn't so far.

I think he limps into year 3 with a Matt Rhule short leash. Basically if it looks like the start to 2024 and 2025, he is canned prior to the halfway point.

The amount of people in the corporate world that you meet and want to directly ask, "How the fug did you get this job?" is staggering.

TBH, I would lean more heavily to Jon Gruden for the specific reason that he would be the most likely to have the experience and track record to push back on ownership. To be clear, I don't think he would be super successful here but this franchise needs to start with someone that actually has an NFL track record of success and can show others in the organization what it looks like to prepare that way. If we can at least attempt to model ourselves after an NFL franchise even at all, that would be a valid starting point to any sort of turnaround.

This is ignoring the parade of bust WR's the Panthers have had over the past 20 years. If you can point out the examples of these WR's going elsewhere and getting better than before here, by all means, please show them to us. More likely than not, you are going to see more Philly Brown's, Brenton Bersin's and the like that never had any appreciable NFL career post-Panthers. Hence why I continually point out our issues is far less the development than the evaluation of players.

The people talking about how good XL will look in some other offense or with some other QB, just remember this is the same horseshit we have heard for Mingo, TMJ, Funchess, Colbert, etc, etc, etc. Just realize you are gonna seem just as foolish as all these other times when this guy is a resounding bust.

Yeah and I think for both the loudest saber rattlers were casual or non-NFL fans. Especially Kaepernick. The people who hated him the most didn't watch a lick of NFL football. At least hate him for the valid reasons of him being a mediocre QB on his absolute best day. Panthers fans have a whole different reason to have hated him, when he mocked Cam.

The Golden Calf of Bristol's. Those guys were completely nuts

That's just being wantonly myopic in the approach. I don't care as much about measurables or RAS or whatever as I do actual football abilities. If the athletic profile is excellent, even better. Mind you, the players need to be physically capable of playing the game. Rudy wasn't an NFL movie.

Nah, I can't just dismiss based on "needs to meet X measurables." I wouldn't want to do that per se.

I remember the times of how the Huddle bitched about not drafting enough athletes. Then we switched to purely athletes with no abilities. Oh how the turns have tabled.

I think you are missing the point. All these guys had elite attributes. Arm strength, accuracy, athleticism, etc. Those were things Bryce didn't truly have. So, look AT THE BARE MINIMUM for that as a starting point.

Well Brees, Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray don't particularly look like NFL QB's but they all at least had elite attributes. How about start there?

Historically bad.

It closes yet another chapter of Panthers bumbling.

Because he has the confidence of a complete and utter moron.

Do you get a SB ring working the stadium beer stand?

I bet that original draft thread is a HYSTERICAL read.