kungfoodude

His struggles with processing are so incredibly obvious. I don't see why people fail to see this.

Well, why don't we take a look at the teams that have allowed 16+ sacks this season(Bears, Titans, Broncos, Browns, Jets, Seahawks, Panthers, Raiders, Dolphins, Bengals, Ravens). Those are in order of most sacks allowed, BTW. Let's pick an arbitrary rating number....QBR(DVOA isn't updated for this week yet). Let's see how those teams QB's are doing and how they rank. Lamar Jackson 62.7 Russell Wilson 61.9 Derek Carr 59.5 Andy Dalton 57.5 Ryan Tannehill 57.2 Joe Burrow 55.9 Teddy Bridgewater 52.5 Sam Darnold 47.1 Tua Tagovailoa 42.0 Baker Mayfield 41.6 Geno Smith 34.7 Justin Fields 23.2 Zach Wilson 22.1 Now....see which end of the scale Darnold is at?

Yeah, that poo is so old. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now. Did we set up Sam Darnold to fail as dramatically has he did in NY? 100%. There is absolutely zero question about that whatsoever. We put an atrocious OL in front of him and then we have tried to make him throw the ball 35+ times a game in that scenario. That's crazy. How could he not fail? But, the idea that he is "learning" or "has potential?????" GTFO. He does not. He is who we KNEW he was. And you know what.....it isn't his fuging fault. He didn't trade for himself. He didn't throw the entire offense on his shoulders. Our dumb FO and coaching staff did that, in the face of conventional NFL wisdom. So....thanks guys. Thanks for this gift of a season we are about to watch.

How many did he have with the Panthers in 2020? So....you didn't even make it through the second sentence? Your Darnold fanboyism is obvious. Point out where I said Teddy is better than Darnold? Did you even read any of the posts in this thread or did you just get up in your feels and lash out? They have both performed pretty similarly through 6 games in their Panthers careers. The results for Teddy got him ejected from the franchise. Don't be surprised when you see similar or worse results from Darnold that also get him walking papers after 2021.

I mean....we are 3+ years into a career. If you haven't gotten it by now, it isn't likely to happen at all. I understand how a portion of our fans thought prior to the season that he had some promise, because even now his talent is obvious. But.....this league is littered from end to end with very talented players that just didn't have "it." Sam Darnold absolutely does not have "it." But, don't take my word for it, just watch the remaining games he plays this year. We set him up to fail(bad OL, poor playcalling) but he hasn't helped himself one bit. He's taken a bad situation and made it even worse.

Well, Teddy has five 4th quarter comebacks and 6 game winning drives in his career. The last one he had was in New Orleans. Darnold has a total of three 4th quarter comebacks and 4 game winning drives in his career. The last one he had was in 2019. Neither of these guys is capable of producing in crunch time. Their track record bears that out. The growing and learning part.....I am not sure how you see such an obvious regression(visible and statistical) and view that as "growing and learning." What is actually happening is that we are seeing the same player we saw for three years in New York. He just simply isn't the guy. Quite unfortunately for all of us, we are just going to see more and more of that as the season progresses because we literally have no other option.

Yeah but I don't think PJ has it either. He's in a similar mold of being an athletic gunslinger. Although we won, we saw the crippling INT's he threw versus Detroit. In all honesty, he's a lower ceiling version of Darnold and I don't think that is what we need. A lot of the fans said prior to the season that we were clearly all in on Darnold when we didn't sign or draft a new QB. Barring injury, it will be Darnold for 17 games.

Yeah....I mean.....I think Rhule's comments basically tell the story. He was critical of Darnold and then says we need to run focus on running the ball more. That kind of tells the story. In our first three games he attempted 107 passes, in the last three games he attempted 117 passes. The disparity hasn't been large.

The biggest common denominator is that they both suck.

That's basically my take. Bridgewater can win on a complete team with an elite defense but that is probably about the only scenario where he can. Darnold probably would struggle to win at just about any stop in the NFL. Teddy is the floating turd, Darnold is the sinking turd. Maybe in 2022 we will not choose to go bobbing for turds again.

Yeah, that was the critical flaw in Teddy. He didn't have any instinct at all to win games or take risks. Look at this season. Statistically, he is on pace for his best season in the NFL but.....they are 3-3. He just can't win you games.

It wasn't exactly off a cliff but his TO issues really accelerated in those last five games. No doubt it was a dip in production.

I think the team would be performing better with Teddy right now but I think the overall season results(W's/L's) wouldn't be dramatically different. Darnold will directly lose us games and likely many times. Teddy will not be able to win us games and likely many times. It's really just about how you want to see your losses.

He has flashed more but also been holy poo worse. That's the problem. He is the most Jekyll and Hyde QB we have ever had, IMO. And we had Jake so that says a lot.

I think that is why you are hearing Rhule say we are focusing on the running game more. They all know Darnold can't be trusted to pass that many times in a game.

Yeah, I think that was a public sign that Rhule is losing faith in Brady.

Well, through six games they weren't being terribly critical of Teddy yet. That has not been the case for Darnold. Rhule talked yesterday about how Darnold hasn't been playing well. IMO, they will be off that bandwagon far sooner. Teddy can lull you to sleep because he completes a high percentage of his passes and does a decent job of taking care of the ball. Darnold does not have that. His mistakes are so incredibly obvious and back breaking. That will make any coach around upset. Plus, Teddy is pretty static in his performances game to game and Darnold is ALL over the map.

Darnold can technically make all the throws. He just struggles with processing and timing it looks like. IMO, that is why he has been such a dramatic failure. The physical skills are obvious.

Interesting that their performances were relatively close, albeit each one better in their relative strengths.

Teddy actually has some pretty obvious advantages over Sam. Pocket presence is definitely a big one. He also takes much better care of the ball, as well. He's actually putting up a better year than he had last year in Carolina(and far, far, far, far, far better than Darnold's 2021) over in Denver. We'd probably be in a better situation had we stuck with Teddy, simply because he isn't going to turn the ball over at the insane rate Darnold has. Now, we wouldn't see him march down the field to tie the game up like Darnold did yesterday. That isn't something Teddy is capable of. In either scenario, Darnold or Teddy, we'd be looking for a new QB because neither are quality NFL starters. Hell, Darnold might not even be a quality backup in the end.

I am wondering if this is because we can't run our playbook because CMC is out or because we can't trust Darnold or because we can't trust the OL. I wonder if that has changed from the first three games to the last three games?

I somewhat question if we aren't seeing the WR's frustration out on the field. Both with the playcalling and with Darnold.

One thing that stood out to me in the Simms clip was how repetitive we are being with our playcalling this early in the season. That is a really, really bad sign for Brady.

Unless there is a stud OL available at our pick, I would expect to see a trade down and gather some additional draft picks. I'd love to end up with an additional 2nd or 3rd rounder to get another OL prospect.

His future is probably an elite OG that can slide to OT. I think most scouts see him as an OG and not an OT. I would love to have him in Charlotte. Really, really nasty disposition. Something we haven't seen since Norwell.