kungfoodude

He has exhausted his chances and he is who he is. I am not against bringing him back during the OL rebuild if we can't find a better option at QB. This is a shitty QB draft and we have little to no draft picks. Go all in on the OL building for the next 2-3 offseasons and then try and identify a FA or draft QB to go snag. I have no issue with Darnold playing out his contract if there isn't something else available.

100% agree. It isn't likely we can build this OL in one offseason, it's going to take a while. I'd rather just let Sam get shelled back there if we don't have a better option in 2022. Especially if we don't have a cheaper option. It boggles my mind we didn't try and get Minshew. What a great option he would have been to battle with Darnold or at least improve from PJ.

Eh....I mean if you look at his stats through 6 games in Denver and his full season stats from 2020 they are almost carbon copies other than the TD:INT ratio and maybe the fact that he is getting sacked a LOT more in Denver. I think Teddy is just who he is, same way that Sam is. There aren't wild swings in statistical deviations just about Teddy's entire career.

Yeah, I suspect it is a lot of your ignore list because they pop up in just about every WR/QB/OC thread. At least the contingent is getting smaller. He isn't to blame for the drops. The hospital balls(he threw two) he is to blame for. But, that goes back to his processing difficulties. He isn't to blame for the shitty blocking. He isn't to blame for the shitty playcalling. But, he is still the second biggest issue on that side of the ball.

I do not want to give him three years. Four years of this is enough for me to see what he is. As I said before the season, there is little to no history of these bust QB reclaimation projects panning out because they usually were busts for obvious reasons. Darnold is no different. I wish we had not made the extremely foolish decision to put a bottom 5 OL in front of him. I think he would have still failed but I don't think it would have been this dramatic and even if he was failing, we might have had a dominant running attack to carry the load. I don't have big qualms with Snow, he's been a legit surprise. I think our biggest issue on defense is the amount of players we have out with injury. It's actually been pretty insane they have been this good as many guys as we have lost to injuries on that side of the ball. Brady.....well.....I agree. I know he is getting dealt a bad hand(again) with a bad QB and bad OL for a second straight year but that doesn't account for the repetitive playcalling and head scratching calls. I think he jumped too quickly up the ranks. Probably should have cut his teeth as an actual OC in college for a while. Heinicke is a nice story and might be a low end starter in the NFL. I'd love to have him back now, that's for sure.

Maybe we can get them some VR goggles that forces them to see QB's like they do CB's. Actually, probably need to snag an OL/DL set for them first.

It is 100% not. Feel free to peruse the dozens of threads where you have his defenders out in full force blaming everyone in the world for the struggling but him. Feel free, they aren't hard to find.

I have no idea what logical leap you are making. I fully expected to watch Sam struggle all season, so this is not even remotely surprising to me. Nor am I one of these guys that wants to see PJ do the same thing as Sam. We are stuck with him until he gets injured or the season ends. It just is what it is.

No, I don't think so. I loved Beuerlein. He is a far better QB with far less talent than Sam Darnold. I think with a good line he would still struggle because it isn't pressure, it's processing. My God, look at all the write ups from last year about his time with the Jets and how he actually struggled more in a clean pocket than with pressure. That's probably because he is being forced to throw the ball instead of just sitting back there and struggling to decide what to do. Look at the tape, he literally does that constantly.

Well Will Grier had stronger arm than Sam Darnold, how did that work out? Also, athleticism Teddy could only dream about??? You just exposed yourself.

I disagree. Most of the fingers are being pointed at the obvious issues. The OL, Darnold and Brady. Those are the top three reasons we are failing(probably in order). It blows my mind the people that want to exclude Darnold. He is extremely clearly part of the problem and a very big part of it.

Yeah and I don't really even see why there is a need to prove this via statistical methods. My God....watch the motherfuger play! Holy poo. Late passes, ill advised passes, etc, etc. He cannot wrap his head around throwing the ball away about 40% of the time. It's nuts. But, then he will make some crazy completion and that is all those guys can see. I just don't understand it. Why in the hell do you want a QB that struggles this much with decision making?

The OL wasn't much better last year. I know that people threw up a few stats supporting having a slightly below average OL in 2020 but a HUGE portion of that was Teddy getting rid of the ball very quickly, which suited the Brady scheme. That made that 2020 OL look much better than it actually was. IMO, this isn't dramatically different than that line. Hell, we keep seeing mostly the same players and most of them look a lot worse. Why? The QB holds on to the ball forever trying to figure out what he is seeing or trying to make a play when there isn't one to make. Like @LinvilleGorge quoted, those Time To Throw stats are pretty damning in that regard. This line has been atrocious for a while now.

Let me be blunt for those that are somehow interpreting this thread as a defense of Teddy. It is most certainly not. I am showing that Darnold is as bad or worse than Teddy, the guy we all(or almost all) agreed needed to be shown the door. That's my point. That's where this whole Darnold experiment is headed.

You can invent whatever false scenario you want in your head to justify your hope in this kid. It isn't going to make it easier as the season progresses and you see what is about to transpire. I'm sure some will be back in when he has a great game(which statistically he should have at least one) but the rest is going to be mediocre to bad....because that is what his entire career has been. I get how seductive the idea of Darnold's age and his talent are, I really do. But you just simply have to watch the film and games to see that isn't what is going on at all. He is just as incapable of consistently processing what he is seeing as he has always been. If you can't improve that this deep into your career(and he hasn't at all), the most likely scenario is that you just don't have that ability. He isn't the first and he won't be the last QB that has that problem.

Teddy is the same in Denver as he was here. There isn't really a crash at all, just a change in opponent strength. He is who he has always been. A game manager that can only manage an offense and nothing else.

There is only one QB I can think of that was considered a "bust" this deep into their career that turned it around and that was Drew Brees.

Darnold will be gone, it's just a matter of when. Actually, Teddy was very static in his performances prior to the injury. If you look at this stat lines from Week 1 to Week 10, they were all extremely similar. In fact, his QB rating from Week 1 to Week 6 was 94.6. His Week 1 to Week 10 was 98.7. That's sort of my point about Teddy. On paper, it looks like he is playing well but his results are losses. It's because he has absolutely zero killer instinct. He will perform the same whether you are up 40 points(as if he could achieve that) or down 40 points.

His struggles with processing are so incredibly obvious. I don't see why people fail to see this.

Well, why don't we take a look at the teams that have allowed 16+ sacks this season(Bears, Titans, Broncos, Browns, Jets, Seahawks, Panthers, Raiders, Dolphins, Bengals, Ravens). Those are in order of most sacks allowed, BTW. Let's pick an arbitrary rating number....QBR(DVOA isn't updated for this week yet). Let's see how those teams QB's are doing and how they rank. Lamar Jackson 62.7 Russell Wilson 61.9 Derek Carr 59.5 Andy Dalton 57.5 Ryan Tannehill 57.2 Joe Burrow 55.9 Teddy Bridgewater 52.5 Sam Darnold 47.1 Tua Tagovailoa 42.0 Baker Mayfield 41.6 Geno Smith 34.7 Justin Fields 23.2 Zach Wilson 22.1 Now....see which end of the scale Darnold is at?

Yeah, that poo is so old. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now. Did we set up Sam Darnold to fail as dramatically has he did in NY? 100%. There is absolutely zero question about that whatsoever. We put an atrocious OL in front of him and then we have tried to make him throw the ball 35+ times a game in that scenario. That's crazy. How could he not fail? But, the idea that he is "learning" or "has potential?????" GTFO. He does not. He is who we KNEW he was. And you know what.....it isn't his fuging fault. He didn't trade for himself. He didn't throw the entire offense on his shoulders. Our dumb FO and coaching staff did that, in the face of conventional NFL wisdom. So....thanks guys. Thanks for this gift of a season we are about to watch.

How many did he have with the Panthers in 2020? So....you didn't even make it through the second sentence? Your Darnold fanboyism is obvious. Point out where I said Teddy is better than Darnold? Did you even read any of the posts in this thread or did you just get up in your feels and lash out? They have both performed pretty similarly through 6 games in their Panthers careers. The results for Teddy got him ejected from the franchise. Don't be surprised when you see similar or worse results from Darnold that also get him walking papers after 2021.

I mean....we are 3+ years into a career. If you haven't gotten it by now, it isn't likely to happen at all. I understand how a portion of our fans thought prior to the season that he had some promise, because even now his talent is obvious. But.....this league is littered from end to end with very talented players that just didn't have "it." Sam Darnold absolutely does not have "it." But, don't take my word for it, just watch the remaining games he plays this year. We set him up to fail(bad OL, poor playcalling) but he hasn't helped himself one bit. He's taken a bad situation and made it even worse.

Well, Teddy has five 4th quarter comebacks and 6 game winning drives in his career. The last one he had was in New Orleans. Darnold has a total of three 4th quarter comebacks and 4 game winning drives in his career. The last one he had was in 2019. Neither of these guys is capable of producing in crunch time. Their track record bears that out. The growing and learning part.....I am not sure how you see such an obvious regression(visible and statistical) and view that as "growing and learning." What is actually happening is that we are seeing the same player we saw for three years in New York. He just simply isn't the guy. Quite unfortunately for all of us, we are just going to see more and more of that as the season progresses because we literally have no other option.

Yeah but I don't think PJ has it either. He's in a similar mold of being an athletic gunslinger. Although we won, we saw the crippling INT's he threw versus Detroit. In all honesty, he's a lower ceiling version of Darnold and I don't think that is what we need. A lot of the fans said prior to the season that we were clearly all in on Darnold when we didn't sign or draft a new QB. Barring injury, it will be Darnold for 17 games.