kungfoodude

At least he was a backup at the time. Darnold is currently at Rodney Peete and descending to Chris Weinke. If he keeps tracking this way, it might be full Jimmy Clausen.

Pretty much this. Everyone who still believes he has the talent or believes there is still hope, this is you. If you couldn't see if before the season, if you couldn't see it in the first three games, if you couldn't see it last four games.....you can't see it.

Or the Teddy Bridgewater saga or the Sam Darnold saga or....

The 5th year option is mounting him to the wall and bragging.

The dysfunction is bad enough that I ultimately hold Rhule mostly responsible. He hired the dude, he had last word on Darnold and he had the last word on the OL. Tepper made him The Guy and as The Guy, he is getting The Blame.

He is who we thought he was.

Yep. The people blaming this on defense....I really have no idea what you are watching.

He has an average NFL arm. His inconsistencies with throwing are likely the result of the myriad of mechanical issues with his throws. He needs a lot of polish to fix some of the bad habits he has. Howell is only being discussed because of how weak this QB draft is. He is realistically a 2nd or 3rd round QB.

But....but....but...former first round pick! But.....but....but....versatility!

His floor was Sam Darnold. His ceiling was Ryan Tannehill.

I mean, we allowed 25 points, 103 yards rushing and 199 yards passing. They averaged 19.9 ppg, 91.3 rushing yards per game and 260.6 passing yards per game. Does that look like a stat line where we poo the bed defensively? Especially when, for the second straight week, we were in a 10+ min TOP hole. Given the injuries, the defense is still performing fairly well. Yesterday was arguably their worst game of the year and it was still very easy for a competent offense to turn that into a win. If we get more of our injured starters back, they will likely just get better. That is if they just don't start laying down because the offense keeps shitting the bed.

The constant shuffling at OL is just another sign that these guys don't have the coaching chops to succeed. You had all offseason to establish a pecking order for your OL at each position. The first injury starts a cavalcade of position changes, player rotations, etc, etc. The lack of continuity is amazing. How in the world could anyone see that going on and think that could ever work? You can move these guys around like they are chess pieces and expect them to all perform as they did before. That's not a real thing in the NFL.

Yeah, oddly the best thing for Darnold is to be pressured. His clean pocket awareness is the worst I have seen in a long time.

The consistency of the third quarter struggles is the most obvious and glaring sign of a coaching staff that doesn't adjust well to the game.

The defensive part of the blame for our struggles is probably 10ish percent. A lot of that can be directly tied to injuries. Yet....they are still a top 10 unit in the NFL. The core of our problems were our two biggest question marks heading into the season, OL and QB. Those things are responsible for probably 80% of our TEAM struggles. Now given roughly 1.5 seasons of information and considering the situation our franchise is in....the REAL bulk of the blame lies squarely with David Tepper and Matt Rhule. Tepper took a big, risky, EXPENSIVE gamble on a college coach with little NFL experience. The guy he picked has the final say on personnel decisions. So, Matt Rhule is to blame for the QB situation we have been in for the past two seasons, starting and backup. Matt Rhule is to blame for the poor free agent acquisitions on the offensive line. Matt Rhule is to blame for the poor draft decisions in ignoring obvious roster holes on the offensive line.

It wasn't. Logic would have dicated never making that trade at all. What huge contract extension do you see in his future? What huge contract extension did you see after three seasons with the Jets? He is the same player he was and has always been. Only a team like ours would have picked up that 5th year or made that trade for him. That's why he was very available when we called. They fleeced us, plain and simple. The worst part is anyone could have seen why to avoid that trade, yet that braintrust did not.

The WR's are much less of a problem that our bottom of the NFL QB play(and bottom 5 OL play). They are largely mirroring the poo around them.

Yeah but we don't know if those rumors are just their negotiation point. The thing is, we have two conflicting rumors. They want that exorbitant price but they also want to get it done by the trade deadline. If the latter is true, it immediately hurts the first rumor. So, we really don't know very much at all

Trading CMC for the sake of trading CMC is a mistake. We need a clear idea of what we expect to get in return. Is he part of a deal for Watson? Is he part of a deal for a very good offensive lineman? Are we getting a 1st round draft pick(at least)? If the answer is no to any of those questions, I am not seeing a spectacular reason to start tearing down everything. Remember, as bad as this is, we aren't that many pieces away from being a good team.

Well, Sam Darnold is a terrible QB. Keep in mind although ALL of our receivers have piled up drops, Sam has been throwing late and also off target all season long.

I have no idea the amount of assets because this hypothetical trade hasn't happened. Hence the "variables are vast" statement. I have no idea whether we will be better served getting Watson or not. Ask me in 4-5 years and we can see how it did or didn't work out. That is why I have no desire to speak in the definitives that you are. I don't know any of the variables.

The variables are vast. It could be the move that elevates our franchise to the lofty heights we desire, it could be the move that sets us onto a perpetual cellar dweller path or anything in between. Quite honestly, I don't even have a particularly strong opinion about it anymore. If it happens, I guess I will see how it works out. If it doesn't happen, I guess I will see how it works out. I hate to be apathetic to the idea(pro or con) but I am not even sure where our franchise is headed at the moment. Even more unfortunately, I am not sure they are very sure where they are headed.

I don't think you can blame the OL coach. I mean....my God, look at what we provided him. The truth is, we have historically and recently underinvested in the OL and it just simply shows. Remember, this isn't some new problem. It has gone on since before Rhule got here. They are just continuing that trend of lack of investment and poor investments in that unit. They have reaped what they sowed, essentially.