kungfoodude

Well you aren't a Panthers fan at all, so it probably doesn't have much impact on you. Put Cam on this team and we are probably much better on offense and immediately a problem for any defense rushing the ball. Would Cam get hit? Absolutely. But he also got willingly battered in New England last year basically doing exactly what I am talking about, rushing the ball. Now if I were Cam, there is no way in hell I would sign with Carolina unless it's for some serious money, with a serious apology and a guaranteed starting job. And even then, I probably wouldn't do it. After all this is the owner and coach that basically kicked me to the curb.

If you base it on round drafted, then probably so. Gilmore, Horn and Henderson were all 1st rounders. Henderson may prove to be a bust(TBD) and Horn the book is out on(just 3 games played, after all). Gilmore and Bouye have at points been considered top CB's in periods of their careers. Based on that alone, you'd probably have an argument from a purely talent/history perspective. I will say that they have produced an extremely low amount of INT's(4 total of the 6 this season) to date. And we have had some very, very productive secondaries in our franchise history when it comes to producing turnovers. 4 of our 6 forced fumbles have come from the secondary, however. That is impressive.

At least it will be fun to watch. Because watching Sam Darnold fug it up left, right and center has been miserable.

I'm not sure Bill has ever had a bigger mismatch in his NFL career than Matt Rhule and Co.

We fundamentally disagree on the way to get there but we want to be in the same spot. Not that it matters, we are gonna sign Josh Rosen or Dwayne Haskins to a 4 year, $65 mil contract given the way we evaluate QB's.

Agreed.

Agree to disagree based on recent NFL history. The path of an NFL dumpster fire isn't one that ends in success very often, it mostly just ends in ashes.

Well, clutch didn't win a Super Bowl and only went to one. I love Jake but he like most of our elite talents(Cam, Peppers, Luke, TD, Smitty, etc) all came up short. He was fun to watch and we always knew that we had a chance with him(same with Cam). That's the thing I miss about having a good QB, the knowledge that they can keep you in it most of the time. We haven't had that since that Watt hit on Cam. Damn. Maybe in 2023.

I mean does his cost seem high now compared to what Sam Darnold cost? You want to be really sick? Darnold is going to cost us $19 mil in 2022. Stafford is going to cost LA $23 mil. I'll give up those picks for that.

Yeah and probably most of those things are true.

You can trade into the top 10-15 you are aware, right? Did the 49ers and Pats not do that this past draft to get "their guy?" Did the Chiefs not do that to get Mahomes? What you are talking about is precisely what the cellar dwellers of the NFL have done for years. Being bad and overdrafting prospects that were reaches. That's what awful teams do. That's Panic Drafting 101.

I was a big Beuerlein fan but Baker would most likely eclipse him and Jake with relative ease(assuming he stuck around).

He was actually very cheap for an elite QB. Not much more than Teddy was. I couldn't understand the thought process either. Stafford has always been an elite QB. He was just on a terrible franchise. I'd take Rivers too but I wouldn't want to see him behind this OL. His entire career he has been a baller. Tough as nails too. He's everything you could want in a QB. Of course had we got him, he'd be wondering why he left Detroit.

Oh no, this was literally long before that happened. It was during the time he had requested to be traded and even before we were linked to him.

This graphic oddly gave me a flashback to all the Huddlers that exclaimed, "I DON'T WANT MATT STAFFORD, HE ISN'T A WINNER!" But somehow they were okay with Sam Darnold.....

Agree to disagree. He would immediately be a top 3 QB in Panthers history, IMO.

If $2-6 mil on a QB breaks you, then you have done a terrible job with the salary cap management. That is actually a very smart financial move at QB, versus what the real life Panthers did in 2020, 2021 and 2022(thanks 5th year option). We most likely could not improve our guard situation with $5 mil. After all, look how they spent that money in 2021? Improving at QB and improving the OL are not mutually exclusive situations. Both can be accomplished concurrently. Hence why I am in the "sign a decent veteran QB stop gap in 2022" camp. Drafting a rookie QB in 2022 directly and immediately harms our ability to improve the OL through the draft. Remember, we have a total of one Day 1 and Day 2 pick. Frankly, we'd be complete idiots not to take OL with that pick. If you want to dumpster dive in the 4th-7th round at QB, I mean....I guess fine but we all know the odds of those guys panning out is as much as Sam Darnold becoming as good as Rodney Peete. I am completely on board with finding a franchise QB but there isn't going to be one available in 2022 outside of a big free agency move for an high end QB. If this past QB class was switched with 2022, I'd be beating the drums to trade up or tank to get one of those guys but this isn't that class.

I don't think they are that dissimilar. Baker is obviously much more talented but they are similar style gunslingers. Baker hasn't shown he is as clutch as Jake early in his career. Jake had 12 4th Quarter Comebacks and 15 game winning drives in his first 61 games as a Panthers. Baker has 6 4th Quarter Comebacks and 7 Game Winning Drives in his first 53 games as a Brown. I like Baker as a comparison to Jake. Rarely a top 10 QB but someone that can hurt you when he is on.

You are exceptionally strange. I can only imagine what your all time NFL QB list looks like.

I mean, his hissy fits are fuging hilarious to me. Especially when he gets called out for it and then does the whole "I know you are but what am I" routine. I'd swear he/she/it was about 13 years old.

This is just a civil matter(so far) so I don't think it drags on forever unless either party wants it to. If this all ends up being a simple money soak, perhaps so but I still think it is likely to get squared away next year.

Payton really is an arrogant fug. Works for me. I'd rather face Taysom The Golden Calf of Bristol than Rivers.

Watch Watson get his legal troubles squared away in 2022 and then Caserio keeps overplaying his hand and doesn't get a deal done before the 2023 draft. The thing he isn't considering is that eventually Watson's stock is going to start to drop due to overall inactivity.

Can't wait to see this Paul Johnson triple option look. Belichick didn't plan for this poo.....