kungfoodude

I am okay to improve to mediocrity but it needs to be on the way to good and eventually great. That, FOR SURE, isn't going to happen with Matt Rhule as head coach.

I am all for it. I might be wrong but I also liked Herbert and these guys aren't him.

Then you shouldn't want us to do stupid things that cause us to lose for years after Rhule's dumb ass is gone.

There is no Herbert in this draft. This will be lucky to have an Andy Dalton.

Why not? Don't you want a new coach? Would you rather Jimmy G guides us to a 7-8 win season and then we get to keep Rhule again because "progress?"

I am not against a cheap Jimmy G deal. 1-2 years, whatever. As a bridge QB. But not with Matt Rhule. We need competent leadership before we can even think about something like that. Otherwise it is just a waste of money and time.

Unfortunately, given league QB needs....I don't think "reasonable" will be in the cards.

Yep. Rhule isn't smart enough to be an NFL head coach and Tepper isn't smart enough to be a successful NFL owner.

Good. Keep as much of that space as possible and roll it the fug over.

Yeah, I know Rhule is on the hot seat. Hence why you don't let that fuging idiot make those long term decisions he isn't gonna be here for. Hence why, normally, you just fuging fire a guy like him. But, I mean....what can we say about that at this point? It's not because there is no "top guy." It's because this draft class has low end starters as the upper part of the class and a lot of players that aren't gonna be in the NFL long after that. It is WAY beyond it being no star power. As a fan of this team, I just want to stop seeing us do extremely stupid things. QB at 6 is extremely stupid. We shouldn't have to pivot from making a bad mistake....if you just don't make that mistake in thr first place. Here's the truth, it doesn't matter who we draft at 6 for 2022. We are going to suck next season. Even if we trade the farm for Jimmy G or Baker or whatever cast off, we are going to suck in 2022. So why do I want it to be at the cost of the future of our team? Why waste a pick when you can just get better at one position? Why? Why willingly just go and do something stupid and just hope it works out? At least if you try and take an elite talent, you give yourself a fighting chance at being right. Not taking a 2nd or 3rd round caliber QB and just hoping this is the shot that gets through the defenses and you found an outlier. That's what our strategy has been so far. If we take enough 1/1000 odds shots, one will eventually hit. We'll guess who doesn't do that? SUCCESSFUL GAMBLERS.

We've made it this far into the offseason without them losing their minds and mortgaging the future. We just have to wait another month or so and we should mostly be out of the woods. This has been a nerve wracking offseason just waiting for them to set us back 4-5 years with some ignorant BS, win now moves.

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

That ship sailed. It's better to just take our medicine this year than scramble to try and recoup the lost draft capital and make it worse in the future. It's the same thing that got us in trouble last draft, trying to be cute and add extra picks/players. Sometimes you just need to play the board and let that be the smart thing. That's why I am firmly against trying to trade back into the first. We aren't 1 or 2 players away from being a good team. We can't keep acting like that and making bad trades. They preached patience to the fans while being insanely impulsive. They need to actually read the poo they sent us and finally believe it.

Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are both small guys and HOF caliber players. Small doesn't always matter if you don't take a lot of bad hits. I think size is the absolute least thing to worry about with any of these QB's.

Yeah but we would be fuging stupid to just not take those guys.

I don't think there are even more than maybe two potential NFL starting quality QB's(Corrall and Pickett). And they are probably Andy Dalton quality NFL starters as their extreme upper limit. Could be wrong but it's not an accident that this class is almost universally viewed as bad. The fact that Rhule disagrees just reminds me of what these idiots thought of Sam Darnold or Teddy Bridgewater or Rashawn Slater or Cameron Erving or Pat Elflein or any number of other extremely fuging obvious boneheaded takes that we should be accustomed to. I could give the slightest poo about this season being "intriguing." I just don't want another obviously stupid decisions, which I think most of us realize is really, really hard given the braintrust in place currently. Ideally, we stay at 6, draft a relatively no brainer pick(DE or OT) and we just wait after this season for Rhule to get canned and hope Tepper isn't as stupid as he outwardly seems. Maybe then we can get some adults in the building with real NFL experience to start plugging all these holes in the hull of this sinking ship. The things I definitely don't want to see are: 1. Draft ANY of these QB's at 6. 2. Trade down into the first with a high caliber prospect like Neal, Ekwonu, Hutchinson or Thibodeaux on the board still. 3. Some random insane pick at 6 that I can't fathom because I don't have the Marty Hurney eye for talent that only he can see that Rhule also possesses.

Yeah and people are getting caught up in offseason fever and not seeing that Matt Rhule is still our coach. They have shined this turd with some decent offseason moves and some okay coaching staff hires. But....despite the sheen you appear to be seeing, it's still a POS.

There isn't gambling. Gambling is drafting based on need and not grade. If you don't think one of these QB's is going to be elite, you don't take them at 6. That's the math. Take the best combination of need and best player that suits the team. You don't reach for a need or reach for a player if you don't think they will be elite. IMO, none of these QB's are worth taking in the 1st round because they are all very long shots to being elite QB's. So, if it's me, no chance I take one at six, no matter how much we need them. 2nd or 3rd round? Sure, we can gamble there. This draft success quite literally hinges on our 6th because we are unlikely to get anything out of the remaining picks(barring a trade down scenario). So, if it's me, I don't dummy this up and get cute. Take a player that is likely to be elite and preferably at a position of real need. If you want to make panic moves, Jimmy G and Baker are likely to be available after the draft.

25% is too much to believe on Twatter.

Yeah, well I just don't agree with pretty much the bulk of that. Horn was a good pick(although not the right pick). Outside of Horn, it's just a bunch of depth and JAGS. Not a great showing for having the most picks in the draft. Like I said, history and just extremely simple statistics show that banking your success on 4th rounders to UDFA's is just plain dumb.

We tried to do this last year when a lot of teams wanted to move up and we wanted too much. Why would this be more likely to happen this year? Who are the can't miss trade up prospects? And if they fall, why wouldn't we just take them? IMO, this is basically a fantasy scenario. If you have a QB you like(and I have no idea why that would be the case in 2022), take him at 6. If you have a LT you like, take him at 6. If you have another player you believe is elite, take him at 6. If you don't believe any of those things and you think the difference between 6 and 32 is minimal then trade down. Otherwise you are just trying to win some sort of PFF spreadsheet title for no obvious reason.

Good Lord....if you are banking on 4th rounders to UDFA's, you may as well just hang it up. That was our shitty strategy last draft that didn't work out.

Trading up is usually driven by the chance to snag a QB or an elite player. If the top DE's and LT's are off the board, who is there to trade up for? And who is giving up a real haul?? I think this idea is fun to thing about but much harder to pull off. Consider that we were in prime trade down territory last year and wanted too much. That was with two QB's on the board. I suspect that we will see that again but that we are reduced to having to waste a pick at 6 on a poor quality QB prospect.

Yeah, the odds of just simply being able to magically trade down in the span of the time we have picked is fuging moronic. Even if we have an existing deal in place, the other team could just start to negotiate for a lower price because at that point we'd just be fuged. I think if we trade down it will be before the draft.

Horn is probably the only one I see from last year that will end up as an impact player in the last class. There are some potential depth guys but that seems to be about it.