kungfoodude

I think we do have a QB edge but it's a sinking and floating turds argument. Fields is only dangerous because our LB's are the worst in the NFL and our pass rush isn't far behind. If we give him time, he is gonna make us pay with his legs.

Disagree with a couple but very good list.

The hubris in those early quotes is insane in hindsight. It's Matt Rhule level cringeworthy.

If there isn't even incremental progression over the course of this season, much less next season, I am just not sure how you roll with him in year 5. But, $30 mil(est) is not an insignificant amount albeit fairly modest by elite QB price tag standards. The biggest issue with all this, as someone astutely pointed out in the thread previously, is that we have to make that 5th year decision this coming offseason. So if we get the projected season he is on track for(3250 yds passing, 165 yds rushing, 31 total TD's, 22 total TO's). Is that gonna be enough to satisfy everyone he is on the rise? Let's say that we even finish within spitting distance of .500?

No, I mean even that comparison this far in is kind of insulting to LaFell. He was just a better overall player at this point in their careers. The thing thaf is concerning is that he appears to not be struggling with a 1st or 2nd round WR typical issues, he seems to be struggling with an undrafted free agent or practice squad player level issues. How to even become an NFL caliber player and how to raise your play to the level to be on an NFL roster. It's the simplest stuff that he isn't seemingly capable of doing.

We are bottom 2 or 3 in the NFL in TE production. Luckily, they have Justin Fields as their QB. He is one of the few starting QB's in the NFL worse than Bryce. Now if Tyrod gets subbed in, we might be in trouble.

Honestly that's a massive insult to LaFell. LaFell was productive out of the gate and maintained a level of productivity throughout his 9 year career. At this point, I think XL is a lot closer to Mingo than most people want to admit.

TBH, the UNC leadership might be more incompetent than the Panthers at the moment. Bill Belichick is the poor man's Matt Rhule of college coaches. Even Rhule wasn't as delusional as Belichick.

And people talked about Beck as a first rounder??

It's not good.

I don't think anything of Justin Fields as a QB but we will need to handle him. We get little pressure on the QB and get torched by TE's and running QB's.

McCarthy to date, for sure. That's a very early sample size, however. Russell Wilson is a backup. Not sure Wilson wouldn't be better suited to our offense specifically, but at the bare minimum it's basically a wash. Hurts I would generally disagree with. I do think Hurts is likely to be less than stellar in our offense. Justin Fields - Agree. Fields is a significant threat on the ground but he sees the field as badly or worse than Bryce. And that's with significantly more reps. Spencer Rattler - I honestly thought this would be an easier call that it is. TBH, right now Rattler looks a lot better. Really almost across the board. Kyler - Murray is better. Basically across the board. Not significantly better, mind you. Trevor Lawrence is more debatable than it seems. Low completion percentages, tons of TO's.....he really has been quite bad this year in Jax. He is considerably more talented than Bryce but the results have been marginally better. Tua - Tua is a little more dynamic of a player but he is a TO machine. Tend to agree. Caleb Williams. Not sure on this. Williams is still struggling to be consistent but his upper end is WAY higher than Bryce. He shows it fairlu frequently, as well. Probably would rather be working through Caleb's issues than Bryce. Penix - 100%. This guy stinks. Cam Ward. This is a little tough. Again, far higher ceiling on Ward and he shows flashes but it's been a mess there in Tenn. Probably lean towards Bryce here.

He has rarely been aggressive enough to be considered a gunslinger type player. The guy he is describing is Pat Mahomes-esque and I doubt any of us see that in Bryce. When the play is breaking down or he bails on the play, how often are we really seeing him laser it into a tight window? How about scramble long enough to get someone breaking free and then hitting them? I remember that far less, although I am not sitting down to look at all 2.5 years of data, than I am checkdowns, throw aways, off target passes, scrambles, etc.

I think Egbuka is a very polished guy, for sure. TMac has some refinement that needs to happen. His ceiling is probably higher than Egbuka's but for that to matter you have to eventually reach it. I definitely don't have buyers remorse on TMac. Great pick.

He would be ahead of a good chunk of the backup QB's we see struggling at the moment but starter vs. starter it is really hard to get too many guys that you wouldn't rather have the other guy in a one game scenario. I can understand the ample reasons to not want guys like Flacco and Rodgers at their ages but if you just base it on this roster and one game to win....I would rather have both of those guys. Expand that to the rest of the league and it quickly becomes obvious where Bryce is.

In terms of evaluation, sure. But there are plenty of very productive 2nd and 3rd round WR's. XL has gotten a TON of targets. He has had the opportunities. The excuses for him not producing are getting a little thin when he has guys around him doing so.

Yeah, AT was really the only guy making those plays. In fairness, I don't think Bryce is throwing that many 50/50 balls, either. Per NFL Next Gen, he has been in the bottom quarter, top quarter and middle of the pack in his three years in terms of Aggressiveness%(defined as throwing with a defender within 1 yard of the receiver). Bryce is a chunk of the problem, without question, but his receivers haven't been making elite plays, for sure. XL has been completely absent and TMac has dropped some very catchable balls. Even Renfrow has not been snagging almost any of those 50/50 balls. I will say that other QB's(young and old) have struggled with the same issues but few are struggling as mightily as Bryce seems to be.

Oh boy....ITG.

Yeah, I figured that out when I started seeing all these "sons" of players I used to watch, like Pat Surtain II or Jaycee Horn. Like...damn....

Eh....I mean by just about every metric you can muster up he is in the bottom quarter of the NFL since coming into the league. It's been bad overall. Definitely some high points but the low points have been too frequent.

His situational awareness just seem to randomly flip off for reasons unknown. That has definitely plagued his career to date. I am less worried about this physical abilities than I am his consistent issues with his throwing base and his decision making issues. Both of those seem correctable on the surface but that progress has been very slow. He is a guy I thought of as a heady, intelligent QB so to see him struggle with some relatively fundamental things is perplexing.

Damn, I mean Tremayne. My brain spit out an old NFL RB, Tremayne Stephens.

Hence why I say he should be behind Coker, Stephens, Horn, etc. He is basically our 5th best WR at this point.

How about draft elite guards? Even then when you have to eventually pay them, you got 4 years of dirt cheap play to balance out that later cap hit.

It is funny to be professing we all know nothing but then tout ones time at a place that literally has him ranked in the bottom quarter of starting QB's. It's wild.