kungfoodude

Now you say Reid but Andy Reid didn't have Super Bowl success until Mahomes. But he was always among the leagues best. That's why I never understood the false narrative about Carroll changing. He changed some over time to adjust to differences in personnel but he did that at USC too. He didn't "change" as a HC at USC either after the early titles. Similar to Seattle he was still extremely successful until the very end. It's just hard to win all the time. Especially in the NFL. Hell, Brady and Belichick had a 9 year drought(0-2 in SB) before they got back to winning titles. It just happens. For all we know Reid never wins another one(I wouldn't bet on it but it is possible). Again, I just don't agree with the "it changed him" narrative that people like to push. There has never been any indication he changed at all. He just never reached the Super Bowl again. That is also possible that happens if they did win that game.

The stats don't really bear that out. He had a better overall winning percentage with Seattle after that game than he did before that game. I think people forget how good Seattle was during the post Super Bowl loss era. It was just that they never got as close again in the postseason. They remained a power team up until 2021, which people also forget(odd considering we faced them several times in that span). Nothing changed with him as a coach, the situations in Seattle changed(OC's, DC's, personnel, etc). They just were never able to re-capture that same Super Bowl magic.

I wouldn't gamble on a big extension for an EDGE that hasn't proved he is worth it. We aren't exactly overflowing with cap space. The Johnson pick is just one of so many New Browns blunders over the past several years. I am eventually going to get numb to them.

He was the same coach, they just started to not be able to keep that elite team together over time and not do as good of a job replacing them.

I mean I have always viewed Barno as a special teams player and Johnson was a complete joke of a selection. I never understood the fascination people had with them. I would not offer Wonnum any sort of extension because he hasn't shown any indication of being worth anything more than a backup role. If he changes that next season, then you have that discussion.

Well wouldn't the better idea be to just get better at drafting?

It's amazing that he is older than Belichick. He looks 15 years younger.

Well, there is just no reason to spend a wild amount of money on an older player at this point. By the time we MIGHT be competitive, he will be nearing the end of his career. If it's an older, capable player on a reasonable deal(Clowney, AT) then I am all for it. But we should be trying to stay relatively young and build a core for future success. I mean right now our core is quite literally just Brown. Maybe Hubbard, Horn, Ikey, Bryce and some of the other guys eventually become that but at the moment he is literally the only core member of this entire roster. Gotta fix that first.

It's definitely not better than Carroll but it is comparable. Pretty similar overall success and stats. But, he is also likely going to end up a HOF caliber coach unless he shits the bed(God we all hope) in Denver. Dan just looked too much like Fitterer last offseason in the draft. I think he did okay in free agency but we all know that isn't a path to success. I fear we are going to blow up the cap in free agency and then crap our pants in the draft.

You'd probably also need to be looking at the character of their coaching staff too. Really doubt either will happen.

Well, we do need more than one guy. We probably realistically need at least 2-3 DE/EDGE guys. We aren't going to be able to solve that in one draft for sure.

I think the rub was comparing a career under .500 HC to a guy that is a HOF head coach. That math don't math, no matter how many variables you add to the equation. Then you go and compare him to one of the worst HC's in NFL history(literally by winning percentage this is accurate) in Matt Rhule. Doug Pederson is a pretty good comp for Ron. Both went to a SB, Doug just happened to win his. Both under .500 career winning percentage. Doug has an advantage in total winning seasons over his career but also only had 1 double digit winning season in his career. Now had you made that comp, I wouldn't have had to point out how incredibly stupid it was. Also, if you had done the same if this was about Tomlin or Jim Harbaugh or literally any actually good coach(fug, I might have even had to defend.....shudder....Sean Payton) with a literal "top 10 in their era" resume I would have also continued to dunk all over your comparison(s). I am not emotionally attached to the argument outside I think it's one of the worst series of comparisons I have ever seen here. For Canales, he is better than I expected. I suspect he will have some moderate success elsewhere when he inevitably gets fired for not being able to muster a winning season with some of the worst rosters in the history of the franchise. He would have to really lay and egg over the next season and whatever portion of the following season he gets for me to think he will be largely to blame. Sort of the same way a lot of us felt about Joe Brady taking the fall for the messes Rhule made.

I would need a price tag. I am down with the player, just needs to be at a reasonable price. That's sort of been the downside of Reddick in general. Always wants significantly more than actual market value.

Well, Darnold also showed who he REALLY was in the end, however. I suspect his next stop he will be an unmitigated disaster because he won't have the safety nets that he had nor the wunderkind HC. He will always be the same player, million dollar talent and a ten cent head.

I think he will be relatively successful. Probably in the 8-11 win range for the most part. I don't see the makings of any deep playoff runs there. But despite the perception of that being a stellar division, the Broncos are suspect, as are the Chargers. Great coaches but the rosters are pretty flawed, which is the same way I view the Carroll/Geno Raiders.

Just as many, you say? You mean the season that would be the 6th best in the past 10 years for the Seahawks in winning percentage? You think consistently winning 10+ games is "average" and comparable to Matt Rhule's 5-11, 5-12 and 1-4 campaigns??? I have no particular allegiance to 'ol Sneaky Pete other than I hold him in similar regard as I do to guys like Harbaugh, Tomlin, Reid, etc. He's genuinely one of the best coaches of his era. Now the equivalencies you are making are just....wow. My God, I guess you have a bust for Dave Canales ready after this 5-12 season, right? He's basically as good as Dan Campbell, right?

I think Sanders has a very good shot at being a middle of the pack or slightly above NFL starter for a long time. Ward it just depends on what end of the gunslinger scale he falls on. Is he on the Favre/Winston end or the Mayfield/Stafford end?

He doesn't have a no trade clause to my knowledge. But if he wants to go to a contender, that aint us.

I think he is one of the better coaches in the NFL over his coaching career. Likely top 10. Most of his "average" seasons would in top 10 of Panthers history. I think people really have a distorted view of a franchise with a total of 7 total winning seasons in 30 years of existence. Now all of those 7 are double digit win seasons, so let's compare to Pete Carroll's NFL career. In 18 years as an NFL head coach, he has had 9 double digit win seasons and 13 total winning seasons. You want Super Bowls? We went 0-2 in 30 seasons and he went 1-1 in his 18. Again....I have zero idea how anyone could make this comparison with a straight face or without a massive influx of drugs. What "mediocre" coach do you want to pick next to compare our franchise to? Andy Reid? Bill Belichick? Mike Tomlin? John Harbaugh?

He got a massive bag from Texass to stay and the rest has been history. I will say that if he doesn't look like a Heisman candidate next season, you cam go ahead and raise that "future bust" flag all the way to the top of the pole.

So, after the Super Bowl loss the Seahawks went 87-59-1 in 9 seasons, with 8 winning seasons and 5 playoff appearances. Under Tepper we have gone 36-80, with 0 winning seasons and 0 playoff appearances. I really don't think you have a firm grasp of the phrase "marginally better." Those results would quite literally result in statue outside the stadium in Carolina. I will never understand basically anyone shitting on Pete Carroll and doing it in the context of the Panthers nor their current and former head coaches. We have never had anyone in the same argument as Pete Carroll, who will literally most likely be a HOF coach. That's one of the most lightspeed insane takes I have ever seen here.

Oh I agree. I think we will fug it all up.

It is one of the wildest things I have ever seen.

How so?

Losing record at the NYJ, better overall record with the Pats than Parcells(no seasons sub .500), .606 winning percentage with Seattle and a Superbowl, two NC's at USC and a 97-19 record. He has literally won everywhere but the NYJ.