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Hence why I said that CMC will never garner a 1st. Only teams like us view RB's as being very valuable. They aren't.

No. The reports were "listening to offers." That is completely not the same thing at all.

See, that is the real mayhem part of all of this....both sides can nix any deal. Houston can choose to not accept an offer from where Watson wants to go and Watson can veto a great deal Houston arranged. Watson can choose to make them eat his salary but the Texans can come after his money if he holds out and won't play.

People who don't worry about Cleveland also don't see we are their franchise about 15 years in their past.

Agreed. Go to Cleveland if not here.

Cleveland is in a win now kind of mode.

Three is too. Especially since our three are likely to all be top 5-10 picks. Again, I am not anti-Deshaun Watson, I am anti the SPECULATED price he may cost.

Lol. No he didn't but believe what you want. We will see. Whether he ends up here or not, the final price will be interesting. How about this scenario, New Orleans and us get in a bidding war and Tepper gives up 4 1st rounders and some change because he doesn't want his guy to get away. Is that too much?

Yeah, I mean I think Watson is better too but I am more so playing the devils advocate of why it might not be a great idea to expend all these resources on a guy that really still isn't a completely proven commodity. Hence the core of my counter argument about the price. Stafford and Wilson were PROVEN commodities. Time tested. Watson just isn't. I won't argue against the talent level, that is obvious.

Well, if you look at Cousins at Washington, he had more Game Winning Drives in his first three full years as a starter than Watson had his last three seasons(removing partial years for both QB's). Remember Redskins Cousins hadn't developed his "choker" reputation yet.

Which....not 100% sure Watson isn't that guy too. He had two good seasons(winning wise) but his worst season winning wise was his best statistically. Keep in mind, in Kirk's first 4 full seasons were statically more impressive than Watson and had a .500ish record with a dumpster fire franchise. That was what netted him that massive deal. Some thought it was being a Redskin that was holding him back. I personally think Watson is better but let's be perfectly clear, he also might end up proving to be no more of a winner than Cousins has.

Statistically that isn't unfair, though. I see all the people throwing his stats out there but Cousins is the classic counter argument to those guys.

I don't think that is the reason at all. That is why there aren't many suitors for him(well, that and the obvious other problems). Notice that only desperate teams are really in the running for him. To me, if he does garner that windfall, it won't be his skills or accomplishments nor certainly his age, it will be the sheer desperation of the teams involved. But....we also don't see the final price yet. So maybe we can have this discussion when his deal gets announced.

And Brees was also coming off of an injury so severe that the majority of the NFl were unsure he would ever play again, so that isn't really even the same scenario. It's unprecedented but the price is steep. I believe the prices for Stafford and Wilson should be the benchmarks though. I don't see logic behind paying drastically more.

Well take that 8-10. Three of those 8-10 years you are stripped of the ability to add cheap and quality talent in the draft. So that puts you behind the 8 ball immediately. And that isn't even taking into account the fact that we might give up core talent, of which there are only 3-6 players on the entire roster that can be considered that. So stripping us of talent hurts even more. We aren't like the Saints and loaded with talent all over the field to the point we can recover. Stripping talent away and without draft picks means we just aren't a talented team and perhaps for a long time. Listen, if this was 2017 or 2018, I'd be all over this deal but it isn't. We are a bottom five talented team in the NFL so giving up a bunch of draft picks or talent makes our march to the top incredibly difficult for a while.

IF what is being reported is accurate, I believe this would be the largest sum ever traded for a player in the NFL. That's the question. Is he worth that? Given what Stafford and Wilson went for....I don't think so.

Lol. You don't think Warson had talent around him? Might want to check those players he was throwing to. Stafford and Wilson have had talent to throw to as well, so Watson doesn't get an advantage there. I am not even saying he isn't an elite QB, I'm saying this rumored price is off. He isn't worth that.

He is definitely not better than either of those two QB's IMO. Could he be? Yes. Is he now? Absolutely, unquestionably not.

But the age thing isn't that big of a deal. You still have to keep him around, right? How did that work for Stafford or Wilson when their teams couldn't attain or sustain success? So does trading 3 1sts, more picks and players make Watson more valuable if he is gone at this end of this contract? Because, the truth is, it's gonna be pretty hard to get a good roster together without the ability to add high quality and cheap talent. And I understand Wilson and Stafford likely weren't good options because they want to win and that isn't our franchise. I mean purely in theory, why is he REALLY worth more?

Yeah but that isn't honestly a good reason. You have the best QB's in the NFL playing at a high level into their late 30's and early 40's. So why does that make him more valuable? And you are trading for finished products in Stafford and Wilson, versus an unfinished product in Watson.

To me the real question is why is he worth more than Stafford or Wilson? Both those QB's now have a ring and have played at an elite level for years. So what makes Watson worth more in trade value? I honestly can't wrap my head around that.

It is funny that we launched into a rebuild yet have consistently gotten worse.

People aren't going to follow Tom Brady to a dumpster fire, nor is he going to go to a dumpster fire. Furthermore, the only people that followed him to Tampa were Gronk and Antonio Brown. That's a 50% success rate. That team was built before he got there.

Again, 1 inch and 15 lbs aren't gonna do that. Technique will.

They are fine as players, but the value is questionable. They don't immediately resonate as players that are fuging trash like last offseasons early signings. I guess that will have to pass for improvement for the moment.