kungfoodude

Optimism/Pessimism at 50/50 in the wee hours. I am interested to compare this to a post draft poll.

So you literally didn't read the post?

You gonna take that bet?

Default mode of Huddle is basically anger at this point. 4 straight losing seasons will do that.

I am sort of expecting the worst at this point. My fear is that we will have multiple good choices at 6 and choose none of them.

Be honest.

If cover the interior of the line with my thumb, it looks pretty good.

I disagree. They aren't in college to get degrees. They are in college to play football. The best indicators are what they have always been. Talent, football intelligence and work ethic. Trying to deduce football success from something that has limited or no relevance to football isn't logical.

I don't think every FO is going to rank those guys the same. There isn't a clear cut "best" in that group.

I highly doubt that would show any correlation to NFL success either. You are aware that the SAT and ACT are also poor predictors of college success, right? This shouldn't be super stunning news that a tool like the Wonderlic has zero relevance.

I mean it actually didn't show any correlation at all. This was studied multiple times and Wonderlic scores had no correlation to NFL success. It's just a bad tool for anything to do with the NFL. I am not inventing this. This was studied multiple times and all the conclusions were the same.

I think the biggest reason they are doing away with it is that it didn't show a strong correlation to NFL success(or lack thereof). You can easily enough figure out if a player is going to be the kind of "smart" you need by breaking down film with them or having them explain plays or schemes in an interview.

I think we should hammer out the period of time and also the measures we will use. I suggest length of rookie contract, so 3 or 4 years considering most won't be first rounders. Pick 3 or 4 as the mark. For Metrics, I suggest PFR's Career AV, Total YPG(passing and rushing), Total TD's Per Game(passing and rushing), Total TO's per game(passing and rushing), Completion Percentage, QB Record(PFR stat) and Games Started. This is a good combination of various measures of success and adds up to an odd number of categories, which will help avoid a push. The wager being that Howell WILL NOT lead more of these categories than he leads. Debate any changes to these metrics now, then we can get into the wager amount itself.

I think 1 or 2 will go in the first. I think the league is going to show they aren't enthusiastic about this crop.

I will bet with you on Howell. My original bet offered(to LG) was Howell versus the field. We can discuss metrics and timeline but I am willing to wager a substantial amount.

I think that we may find out teams aren't desperate enough to take these guys in the first. TBD. If that is the case, the league said what some here refuse to believe, this is a bad QB class.

It would be pretty funny to see only 1 QB go in the 1st.

Hopefully not Watson's.

All those mechanical issues are why I would steer clear of him. He didn't clean up any of that headed into this season, so I question if he has the ability(or motovation) to fix that stuff. Ridder is the same way. His throwing mechanic flaws are going to be difficult to unwind. Neither of those guys are going to be able to get away with that at the NFL level.

Yeah. If you use outliers as the basis for your decisions, you aren't going to be very successful. Actually sounds like someone we know...

I think those box type safties have taken a lot of lumps in the last few seasons, both through the draft and in free agency. If you are a big safety, you need at least average coverage ability or you are more of a hindrance than a help.

Tyrod Taylor would be a pretty good scenario for him, IMO. He can eventually get to that with some development. I think the guy being overrated the most by pundits is Willis. I realize he is leaps and bounds better skill wise than any other QB in this draft but his ability to read defenses and throw with anticipation is pretty bad. I don't know if he is easily gonna be able to accomplish that.

Remember who made the signing. Could very easily be a blessing in disguise.

Bradbury was another smaller, very athletic guy. Interesting to see Linderbaum fall. Bradbury being an example of why you don't draft a center in the 1st round.

The IOL Prospects are not as you expect... Word is that there are zero teams that have a 1st Round grade on Linderbaum Both Cole Strange and Cam Jurgens has ascended during the process. Much higher on boards than perceived. Source: 2022 NFL Draft News and Rumors: Will the Green Bay Packers finally draft a wide receiver? (profootballnetwork.com) Kyle Hamilton Free Fall? Per Pauline and a few others as reported this week, sounds like Hamilton may fall anywhere between 15-20 (maybe further?) Packers draft rumors: Could Kyle Hamilton fall into Green Bay's range? (lombardiave.com) Garrett Wilson Top-5 Prospect? Per Jordan Schultz: "Wilson, according to one GM I spoke with, is one of the best receivers I've evaluated over the past five years. Speed, route-running, hands, can break the game open at any time." *Should note that every team went to his pro day. Trade-Likely Teams: DENVER, Carolina, Seattle, Minny, Philly & LAC This is per my SF FO ties (take it or leave it) I suspected Hamilton might fall. Linderbaum falling to the second is very interesting. Interested to see if that happens.