kungfoodude

I'm glad you made me wrong and stuck around. Sadly, I don't think it is going to go well for you. Welcome to Jets 2.0.

fug Boston.

Actually their run of draft success was relatively small. They have done a pretty poor overall job the past few years.

The level of coddling for Darnold was fuging absurd.

You mean after trying unsuccessfully lure a FA QB.

I mean....if he wins the job you start him, IMO. If he is the best guy, put him out there and let him learn. If you find out he isn't the guy, so be it. He was just a third rounder, not the #6 overall pick. Kid gloves are for guys that aren't ready. Supposedly he is one of the couple of guys that might actually be ready.

That really shouldn't happen. As a 3rd rounder, his expectation should be solid backup QB. Expecting more than that is unfair(see Grier, Will). Anything more than that just means it was a better and better draft pick.

And let me be clear, I don't have the prospect or the position we drafted him in. Corral was my #2 guy and 3rd round is great value for a QB gamble. I bristled at the cost of the extra 2023 third. I don't want to keep this draft deficit continuing because it seems like we have a propensity to try and "make up" for those lost picks rather than just take your medicine and re-stock. Corral is a very good guy to gamble on. His limitations are way less than some of the other prospects.

If they thought he was a franchise QB they would have taken him at 6. They know he isn't.

We didn't swap 3rds. We didn't have a third.

It worked at one time. It has failed pretty dramatically in recent years. I agree that it is all about evaluation but we aren't seeing great evidence of that ability, either.

This is why I was so mad about giving up that 3rd round 2023 pick. You need to maximize your 1st-3rd round picks to get starters and quality backups. These are the critical rounds. The idea that you can consistently nail 4th round or lower picks is absurd. Even being in the top 5% of success rate for those rounds, it's still very low in the NFL. We cannot keep shipping off these 2nd and 3rd round picks and effectively build a roster stocked with cheap talent.

It does if 2-3 of those picks pan out. If you have less than that, it just looks more like you have no idea what you are doing. The final story isn't written on the 2021 draft class by any means. But the early returns were far lower than I expected and that was as someone who was relatively down on the class.

Maybe switch to decaf.

I disagree because of the previously referenced differences in fundamental philosophy regarding drafting. He would rather have two nickels than a dime. I just disagree with that.

We hope. I am starting to come to grips with the reality that Tepper really is far dumber than we think and does buy into what Rhule is selling him. He might indeed be here for the long term, regardless of results.

Yeah, that is the college mentality. They see attributes and think they can coach them up and develop then. That’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the NFL. If you already aren't fairly well developed, it means that you probably don't work hard to develop yourself or you just aren't gonna cut it. Almost every later draft pick this year has massive red flags that limit their ability to be anything more than special teams players. Which.....they are late round draft picks. It is what it is.

We should at least get a starter and maybe long term starter at LT. If so, it was a net win. The rest of the draft is pretty laughable. If Corral can at least be a journeyman backup level player, then his price would at least be worth it. The rest of the players, well....it's an uphill battle for any player not in the top 3 rounds. If they don't pan out, it's not a tragedy, just a probability.

Who is in charge of the development? Pretty sure it was the same guy as last year. It sounds nice to say but we have seen zero examples of it under Rhule.

UDFA's are almost always fools gold. 99% of these players will never play meaningful downs of NFL football.

I said that 2021 seemed to be very, very heavy on building roster depth and very, very light on starting caliber players. That seems to indeed be the case after a limited sample. With such a bad roster, that just doesn't make sense to me. Instead they rely on guys like Elflein, Erving, etc. to come in and start. Hence why as much as I think the free agent signings we made this offseason seemed better, I need to see these guys play. Our offseason in 2021 was DREADFUL. One of the worst we have ever had. I just can't give benefit of the doubt to the Panthers anymore. These players need to prove these were good signings.

Yeah, I am not impressed with our ability to evaluate talent at all. We seem to be able to hit on top 10 picks but even Hurney crushed that. I just don't think I fundamentally agree with Fitterer's philosophy about building through the draft. He is from the school of thought that you want to take as many shots as you can and hope you hit a few. I want to take the best shots possible and hit higher percentages. We will see. It's better for him to be right because me being right means I waste more and more money and time on this team.

Actually, if you take into account what we traded for, it's probably an F grade.

We definitely disagree on 2021. Time will tell. My growing suspicion is that we don't have people that are very good at talent evaluation. Those trade value charts look good on spreadsheets but they don't win on Sundays. Hence our records.

It's probably a C/D-ish grade for me. Basically Ikey and Corral. Highly unlikely any of those other guys will be Panthers in 4 years. Ikey I feel good about and Corral is a decent gamble that we overpaid for. That puts the pressure on Corral to pan out, which I don't like. Bare minimum he should be a day one upgrade from Walker. Definitely felt like a Hurney draft.