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Anyone who bought that line of garbage is a fuging moron. You could probably talk them into $125/week payments on a high mileage 2007 Ford Focus.

Yeah, Rhule bias or not, Walker would definitely be the odd man out.

I know, I just think that we will focus much more on the price than the timing. I don't think there is desperation on the Panthers part. Not to mention he probably wouldn't have to know much of the playbook to immediately be an upgrade over the current QB's on the roster. If the Browns wanted to do all of his salary, minus $6-7 mil, I think we'd at least listen. Supposedly the Panthers are in the $3-5 mil range and Cleveland only wants to pay half. It's also possible someone swoops in and just does a better deal than ours.

I think we end up trading for Mayfield but not within the next two months. I think towards August/end of August.

Releasing Baker Mayfield would be moronic. You'd be better off paying 70% of his salary and getting a pick in return. His salary is completely guaranteed.

Anyone who thinks Baker Mayfield plays another down for the Browns even with Watson out, is out of their minds. Neither the team nor Baker want that to happen.

Probably just pure desperation to have as many shots at finding a guy as necessary.

TBH, sounds like this will eventually happen. That would make 2022 VERY interesting.

Yeah, plus he supposedly wanted to oust Tomlin. If true, we know he has no idea what a good coach looks like.

Yeah, we should have a lot more information on Tepper soon. If Rhule tanks again and is retained, 100% chance that Tepper is just a fuging idiot. If he tanks or underperforms and he cans him, might have some hope he isn't a dummy. I think that will depend on the next hire, though. If he makes another dum-dum hire, the issue is once again 100% him. I will say the signs point towards him just being a complete idiot and not knowing what he is doing as an NFL owner.

Yeah the few guys that openly turned us down was a big sign of how dysfunctional and unstable this situation in Carolina is. We just have to hope it's relatively isolated to Rhule and doesn't extend to the whole organization. If we don't see big improvements from the game planning and execution this season, then these new hires were ultimately a failure. Although the bulk of that blame will likely rest on Rhule's shoulders.

I didn't have an opinion because I assumed it would just be Rhule's buddy that was the interim OC. I don't hate the hire because at least we have someone with actual NFL experience but I am also not delusional enough to start jumping for joy because it isn't like this dude is some wunderkind of an OC.

I think part of it is the Cincy line but I do recall seeing/hearing some analysis during the year that indicated that the coaching staff realized that Burrow just wasn't going to avoid the pressure and they sort of relaxed trying to scheme him out of it and just let him do his thing. Eventually that will have to change. He has to realize he can't continue to get lit up like this.

One of the biggest keys to Campbell looking better than expected so far is that he has a VERY strong staff with a lot of NFL experience. Rhule did not assemble that.

I think Herbert ends up ahead of Burrow ultimately. Burrow just takes an insane amount of punishment. Way more than Jackson or Herbert.

Read the fine print, it's just a CBS Sports writer. Also, CBS Sports is a poor man's Bleacher Report.

No, Tepper comes from a world where some of that ignorant BS works.

Yeah, right now Burns does not have an advanced array of pass rush moves that he utilizes. He is kind of a one trick pony, which is definitely a concern.

Yeah, I mean........I can understand the sentiment. I hope he makes wise financial decisions and is still able to help them out.

It's those pesky opposing fans.

Paying off his family's debt??

Yeah, unless you are a first round draft pick(and really more so the top 15), you aren't coming into the NFL with the kind of cash that will make you comfortable for life. You need to invest wisely, budget effectively and not just blow through this money on your rookie deal. It's an amount that if managed properly can set you up for success later in life if football doesn't work out. It isn't going to be until you get a 2nd or 3rd or 4th contract that you can set yourself up to where you don't have to worry about being able to retire comfortably. The overwhelming bulk of NFL players will not attain life changing wealth.

It's literally a free market system in the NFL. "Value" is very often dictated by abilities, hype, positional value, etc. So, when the market is largely saying they don't want McAdoo, they are saying he doesn't have value. If he in fact were a guy that was perceived as being an offensive genius or even above average OC, he would have been employed by now. You want a good example? Norv Turner. Failed at every head coaching stuff but was almost always an extremely successful OC and never struggled to get a job in that capacity. The Rhule/Giants example is just getting off track even further. You tried to use it in the post I was replying to and I just simply responded that regardless of "negotiation" we threw an offer at him VERY quickly after the first interview. I rather doubt how much negotiation based on both the timeline of the meeting to hiring, and also that the other interested party dropped out of the race. I don't really even care about debating this point. It has no bearing on the McAdoo situation at all other than Rhule was a very dumb hire in hindsight and the same dysfunctional organization that hired him also hired McAdoo. TLDR, he wasn't an attractive candidate to anyone in the NFL other than us and largely because not many coaches with better prospects would choose to come here.

I think it's amplified now by the 2019 roster nuking and the inability to attract almost any quality free agents. So, as much as I don't love some of the trades Fitterer has made, I do think there is an element of us having to rely on guys that don't have a choice about destination. It's pretty clear we are being actively avoided by a lot of players. Not unusual for franchises that are mired in the level of dysfunction that ours is. So when you have bad drafts(which 2021 is looking like it has the potential to be a really terrible draft), it hurts so much more. I said after 2019 I thought it would take at least 5 years to recover the talent pool and we haven't made much progress in that regard since then. I'm even more afraid that we keep the Rhule experiment going even longer than 2022 and we just sink further and further into this hole we are digging.

Yeah, I saw that. Not really sure what to think of it, TBH. Ultimately I hope we find some role for him because we are getting to the point where whiffing on draft picks start to become big blows. Especially since we aren't able to attract better quality free agents consistently.