kungfoodude

And this is more relevant to our current situation where we have a head coach that is a GM. We have fuged up two straight seasons/offseasons with big pushes to "win now" when we didn't have the roster to do so. It's the classic example of why you want a GM that operates independently from the head coach. Doesn't mean they can commiserate on the future but the GM is really supposed to be managing that long term direction.

Yeah but you have to be smart enough to manipulate it. For a long time, we were not smart enough to do so.

You are aware we are in a stretch of four straight losing seasons with 7 different starting QB's, right? With two different head coaches, 4 different OC's(now five), 2 different GM's? And that one more losing season will set a franchise futility record? Here is what I will say, if you believe what you are saying, there should be zero excuse for not making the playoffs and having a winning record this year. Because what you are selling is that we had a great offseason by adding all the talent necessary and finally have the coaches to get it done. That's what you are telling me, right?

Yeah, I remember how visible he was initially. It's funny to think about that in hindsight.

We were spoiled for a long time by having very solid to very good kickers and punters. The fact that hasn't been the case for a couple of seasons is lost in the river of other poo that the franchise has been drowning in.

Easily the best offseason signing we had. Literally nothing close to his signing.

I mean, most people are rightfully salty because he is the worst QB we have had in a stretch of pretty bad QB's. We also traded a king's ransom of picks(relatively speaking) for a guy that wasn't even worth a 7th rounder. But, I was against the move from day one because he was so CLEARLY a terrible QB from his time in NY. I have never been able to fathom why people look at him and have hope. He is the classic example of a guy that simply cannot process anything he sees on the field. It isn't rare to see but it's normally guys you draft late that don't make a roster, not top 5 overall picks. Also, he is far from the most hated Panthers in history. We've had some real doozies in that category.

You are quite literally grasping at straws. Even during the season while the losses were piling up, it was easy to see that "top ranked defense" was anything but that. Couldn't stop the run, kept having points piled up on us. The bottom shelf offense didn't help but the defense eventually collapsed. The last 8 games of the year we averaged allowing almost 28 ppg. What part of that is elite? How about being tied for 28th in Takeaways? Is that elite? That was always the problem with our supposed "elite" defense, outside of yards allowed, almost no other defensive stat was elite. The closest was sacks and we were tied for 14th. Which, you said yourself you didn't watch the games so how would you even be able to know what we looked like? Watching the games was the clearest indicator of how that stat was ultimately meaningless.

INB4 Tepper hires Lincoln Riley for 8 years, $240 mil.

Yeah, it just goes with sports and losing. If your team is stinking it up, fans aren't gonna be happy.

I think Haynes could be a good rotational guy. I do think the chances of him being a high caliber starter are pretty limited. But every good team needs quality rotational guys, so glad to have him keep improving.

I think they can technically get out of his 2022 salary. Depends on how it was written. They also have the option to legally pursue the money back from him but that seems very doubtful unless they want a disgruntled QB....again.

I am an almost 30 year veteran of the internet. I saw its beginnings and what it has become. There are still places that are all sunshine and rainbows but most of them aren't in the sports forums. I also remember plenty of bitching about sports and nastiness in the mid to late 90's, as well. It is worse but I don't think it is dramatically worse. It just feels that way.

I am not sure about the Watson situation. I suspect the punishment will either be too harsh or not harsh enough. The NFL rarely metes out fair punishment. I think the Browns are looking at this long term so I doubt their concern level is high. The fact they signed Jacoby tells me they knew him being suspended for 2022 was a possibility. It's not terrible for them, he wouldn't get paid any salary.

Cam would make more sense. Brissett and Jimmy G are pretty similar versions of the game managing QB. Cam is something different.

That is bold. I like it. But keep in mind that Jacoby Brissett was signed for this reason specifically. If Cam doesn't get signed by them soon, I don't think they would go down that road unless Brissett gets injured.

Not a goddamn thing. Literally pure BS.

Well I think depending on the age of the "teans" that might be a child labor law violation.

Make it bourbon and I am in.

I mean....there is literally a poll in here now showing the discontent. This place is gonna do it's thing. Rhule and Tepper are going to take shots because....well....they deserve it. They are the reason we are eating these poo sandwiches.

Yeah, I do believe it is about money. I hope they don't want to nuke our cap space we get to roll over.

I think the cost will be fairly low, TBH. Also, it isn't very common for starting QB's to get knocked out in TC. We will see what happens. My bet is they move him before August.

I think they already tried that and found out the market wasn't that big for Baker. Plus there is the fact that Jimmy G will be on the block shortly so they won't have the only starting caliber QB available. They are more likely just trying to get rid of a distraction. I don't think it is about maximizing value at the moment.

I think it will still be smoking depending on TC reports. If Corral is really struggling, I could see those fires still being stoked. Even if Mayfield is gone, it will be Jimmy G. These stories will always follow a QB controversy.