kungfoodude

WTF. That's barely worth going for. Another carrier, maybe?

BPA isn't a set thing, IMO. Even people that say BPA mean within the framework of their needs. If you have a surefire franchise QB that gets injured and you end up with a top 10 pick, you wouldn't draft another franchise QB prospect for the sake of BPA. Some fans interpret that too literally.

Well during that span our scouting/GM has produced some very bad drafts and some middling lower round QB's(suspect Corral will be included in that). It hasn't been a complete loss, which it wasn't for the Browns either, they also netted plenty of talent over that span. But you do expect that when you are drafting highly as often as that. But, yes, that was my point about drafting the wrong QB's. You can fug up a lot of good picks chasing. You can make poor decisions in free agency chasing. You can rely on lower round picks incorrectly. We have checked a lot of those boxes in our post 2017 pursuit of a franchise QB. That's concerning. The turnover at coach and in the front office is also a concern. We have a lot of the elements of floundering like the Browns did for a very long time and arguably still are. Hence why I worry so heavily about Tepper. If he proves to be Haslam or worse.....we might be in for some very frustrating years ahead.

You know, ultimately I got what I wanted out of this season which was to get out from under Rhule's tenure. He was such a dark cloud over the entire franchise. No matter how the rest of the year shakes out, we are looking up.

It wouldn't be a big upset, I think the -3 to -3.5 line for the Bengals indicates that. I am not really sure what to think. It may come down to whether our D can hem up Burrow and we are banged up in the secondary too. I say a close victory by the Bengals, 27-24. I expect a good game.

This is an NFL forum. I am sure you are used to being perpetually confused but college homerism is how you end up drafting like Michael Jordan did for the Bobnets.

Spoken like someone who literally has no idea what they are talking about. During the 1999-2017 span Cleveland drafted a total of two QB's in the first round, Tim Couch(#1 overall in 1999) and Johnny Manziel(#22 overall in 2014). But that era was marked by repeated turnover at QB. Lower round draft picks, journeymen, roster discards, etc. If you actually expand that era(which would be somewhat fair) to include up to the present, that would net another likely bust QB in Baker Mayfield taken #1 overall in 2022. Regardless, it has been a roughly 18-22 year span of over 20 starting QB's. That's bad. It's also better through the first 5 years than our span has been from 2018-2022. We have started more QB's and had less team success.

Yeah, we are basically in a 1999-2017 Browns era of our own and fuging up at QB was a hallmark of that horrible stretch for them. Including multiple bad first round QB's. We absolutely need a franchise QB. But if you don't see The Guy, don't just keep throwing darts at the board with 1st round picks. Consequently, if you do see The Guy(or Guys), fuging trade up and get them.

Like clockwork, college homers hyping their boys every Saturday.

Yeah, I kind of already knew this season was likely to be difficult to watch because we retained Rhule, so I haven't been very emotionally invested. I watch the games but I don't get upset or elated. If we lose out and end up with a top 3 pick, I'm fine with that. If we rally and win the division, that's fine too. I think mentally I have been on to next season since about Jan/Feb.

Early mock drafts are about 95% mock drafter and 5% league sources and scouting consensus. Towards the draft it gets to about 60/40.

Yeah there are a lot of the most vocal sunshiners that made themselves scarce. Oddly enough, this is maybe the most hopeful I have been since season 1 of Rhule. Even if we keep losing, I see that there is something worth building on. As for the Bengals, very winnable game for us. They aren't unbeatable by any stretch. We just have to keep Burrow from being magic. That fuger can pull some stuff at of his ass, that is for damn sure.

Hurts is a surprise there.

I don't care at all about the college aspect of him but he's a middling prospect at best. He does nothing at an elite level and very little at an above average level for the NFL. If we took him in the 5th or lower, I wouldn't particularly care. But anything above that and I will be shaking my head.

Maybe his account got hacked by Rex Ryan's OF content manager.

Matt, you got fired. Please log out.

Fair enough. I think QB is a must because Corral is unlikely to amount to much. Still don't have an idea on what the 2023 class will ultimately be.

I actually didn't think that was rude at all. I am just saying I don't understand what you are seeing. That video doesn't show much in the way of NFL ability. Especially NFL starting ability.

Okay, I will out it a different way that might apply more in your mind. He didn't do NFL things in that video. He did a lot of things you can't do in the NFL.

Yeah but he still throws like that. All those crazy off platform throws that announcers jerk off all over.....that is the stuff that guy in the article is calling atrocious. His mechanics are better now and he did work on it before he got to the NFL but all good QB's always tweak things. Ask Peyton Manning. Rivers is a good example of a guy that always had an odd sidearm style but it worked for him.