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I don't think so.

If we can stay healthy.

You should definitely be worried about our OL. They didn't perform very well in the preseason as a unit(some very good individual performances) and they are desperately thin. That is a big concern.

Tampa had a long streak of mediocrity and poor performance that left their roster brimming with talent. All they needed was someone like Brady to elevate them to an elite level. We definitely aren't there yet. We might not be far away with 2-3 good offseasons in a row.

I agree with that general window of success. If we can make a quality coaching hire in 2023 and get QB solidified, we have the potential to be able to gather our way to the top. Especially if we can draft better moving forward. We might be able to set up a 6-8 year span where we are top or near top of the division. But....that is a lot of "ifs." I sincerely hope we show enough in 2022 to entice a very good coaching candidate to us.

Yeah, I am willing to bet based on what he said that not everyone was actually using whatever database they had.

I find it pretty strange we didn't have a prospect database already. That explains a lot.

Yeah but we also might just have our bar set too low. TBD.

Yeah, the failures are largely for lower round picks but this can easily go the other way. If Henderson doesn't pan out and Baker only sticks around for a year with modest team success, now we are looking at a scenario where almost none of Fitterer's trades have been very successful. The same argument could easily be used for Daley or Little. It isn't like we got a windfall. In Little's case we turned a 2nd rounder into a 7th. So those aren't exactly home runs, other than the fact that none of us even believed it was possible to get that out of them. So that's why I don't fall in mine with the "Fitterer is a genius with trades" crowd. I don't see a genius yet. I see some definite potential to be a very shrewd guy, pending some players panning out. But I also see that he could just be a guy appearing to doing a lot and accomplishing very little. Time will tell.

Yeah and hindsight is how you judge personnel moves. Not before.

But that was why Gilmore wasn't worth it. We went 2-6 when he was here and we lost to Tampa anyway. It was ultimately pointless.

If he goes elsewhere, it's probably a push or better. That would depend on how successful the season was for the team. If he blows the doors off statistically for a 5-7 win team, then leaves for a big deal....what good did that really do us? If we end up with a winning record or a playoff berth, even if he leaves that is still a success because the price of the recovery was so low.

I think if we have team success, possibly. But if he ends up signing elsewhere it will end up being somewhat pointless.

But, like I said, I would like to see him start winning some of these trades. The majority have been losses(outside the TBD) and the losses definitely outweigh the wins in a big way. I will say that all it would take is something like Baker performing well and re-signing here and that would dramatically flip in his favor. I say that even if all other TBD trades end up as losses.

Let's just take a look at them all. Not gonna include draft moves because those are a separate thing in my mind. 2021 Sam Darnold(2nd, 4th, 6th) - Massive loss. Greg Little(7th) - Win. Ryan Santoso(Cond. 7th) - Push. No pick traded. Darryl Johnson(6th) - Loss. Did not stick with team past one season. No impact(3 games played). CJ Henderson + 5th(Dan Arnold + 3rd) - TBD Stephen Gilmore(6th) - Loss. Did not resign with team, played in only 8 games. 2022 Baker Mayfield(Cond. 4th/5th) - TBD. Dennis Daley + 7th(5th) - Win. Laviska Shenault(6th, 7th) - TBD. So, a couple of wins. A couple of losses. A HUGE loss and then a lot of TBD.

7-10 I said I thought the Mayfield trade put us in the 4-8 win category and I think we will finish near the top of our potential at 7 wins.

Yeah and he also hasn't been with the team all offseason. He's likely to be a little down the depth chart.

Yeah, that's generally what I mean. We have lost on the one major trade we made(Darnold) and almost all the smaller trades. It's really up to Henderson, Shenault and Mayfield to pull us out of that slump. The issue is that we burn those later round picks on guys that don't stick or don't make an impact, then trade away guys to get the picks back. Couldn't you just accomplish the same thing by keeping those lower round picks and taking longer shot players? Hence why I don't really think Fitterer us some sort of wild genius, he just seems to be a guy that likes making deals. I just want to see him win on some finally.

Well we have had quite a few guys we have traded for that either didn't make the team or immediately didn't re-sign with us. I think Henderson and Mayfield could tilt that balance in our favor pretty heavily if they have good years and Baker ends up re-signing. Right now I would say we lose more than we win. They aren't dramatic losses but they seem fairly consistent.

Bet we trade some guys next offseason to try and get some of this back. I hope we start to get ahead in these kind of moves. I am a little concerned that we kind of burn through draft capital and then scramble to get it back. I do think that is a potential Fitterer weakness.

Yeah, except Eli Manning apparently. So there is your comparison. Eli Manning. Wow Drew Brees. The next Eli Manning.

This feels a little early to be saying this since we have played a total of 17 games with "his" two draft classes and the overwhelming majority of the players have played in less than half of those games. There is definitely some guys with great potential but there are an equal amount that don't necessarily look like they might be in our future. This will be something we know more about in a couple of seasons and can have a much more accurate picture.

Well, could be worse, I suppose.

That's basically me. The moves have been a mixed bag, at best. But Rhule is still technically the GM so I can't get too upset with him yet.

Go home, Dave.